Originally Posted by Steve

My hope is that now the industry can focus on
1) players that load as fast as SD and do not freeze or have major glitches
2) BD discs have - at a minimum - all of the extras on SD, and best - all in High Def format.
3) prices for discs come down. : ) I can wish, right?

Seriously, I think #1 and 2 is reasonable at this stage. to me, the existing players are just slightly above prototype/beta version. It seems that videophiles put up with this because of the benefit of high def, but it's time -imho - to produce a mature player that people can rely on.

And to have SD contain more content than it's BD counterpart is insane, especially considering the premium we pay for high def.

Originally Posted by jiggawhat

1. Big thumbs down for Warner not announcing earlier. The J6Ps who bought those $99 dollar players and to buy discs all through the end of the year are going to be pretty mad. This is going to cause so much loss of good will that people will be so mad that they probably will not even bother with Blu-ray. I think this goes to show that Sony isn't the only one that is a money grubbing whore of a company.

Originally Posted by brianluvdvd

I don't hold out any hope. I really won't let it affect my day. Am I disappointed...yes. wil it stop me from buying HD-DVDs that I want if they are a cheap price...no. Will it make me run out and by a BR or PS3 today...no.

As far as why I wished HD-DVD would win...to answer honestly...it was mainly for selfish reasons:

1. I bought a HD-DVD player and HD-DVD discs. Why wouldn't I want the format I bought into to "win?" Granted I got them for almost nothing with bunches of free discs but why would I be excited that they may be part of a dead format sooner than later? Would you be excited if this announcement had been the other way around even though it killed the format war?

2. I dislike Sony. But then again, I dislike Bose, Nintendo, Kodak, Pepsi-cola, and various other companies all for various & personal reasons. If it came out that there was only going to be one cola from now on and it would be Pepsi...I would probably drop dead on the spot.

3. I seem to be attracted to underdogs. HD-DVD always seemed to be the underdog in this "war" and that, along with the price made me pull the trigger. Hell, I have been an Auburn Tiger fan for 25 years and live in Birmingham, AL...that should tell you something. :) It also seemed like the press that BR would put out seemed so arrogant and grand-standing. Guess that is why so many of the fanboys here who post constantly for BR seem to get it honestly. I just do not see the HD-DVD supporters acting the way so many of the BR fanboys have acted, especially if the shoe was on the other foot. Coming out of a whiny, self-imposed "retirement" to gloat does not make me want to join your club. Constant bashing of HD-DVD by posters who have already been mentioned (and some banned months before this) does not make me want to support your chosen format. Maybe it is just me. :shrug:

I knew the risks of buying into HD-DVD and have accepted the small investment I put into them. I just think it is premature to just throw up your hands and cry "Uncle" before the announcement even hits 24 hours, but then again...I am an underdog fan...and this attitude can cause great rewards or severe (and sometimes frequent) disappointments.

In the end, I buy movies for my enjoyment and am not married to a certain format. I just may wait for quite awhile this time before I say, "I do."

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

Here here.

I see the "losing" side being gracious, and some of the "winners" being dicks. Honestly, that is the main reason I was pulling for HD DVD, to see these tools just disappear for good. As it stands now, I am not sure how much more of the back-patting I can handle. There are people acting like they had a direct hand in this. It is ridiculous.

I still think that in the semi-long term, we HDM customers lose as the competition goes away.

Originally Posted by ScissorPuppy

Toshiba needs to do the right thing.
HD DVD cannot survive on 2 studios, besides even IF Paramont/Dreamworks is held to the contract until years end. Do you think they'll resign it? Nope. They are going Blu.

Universal will have no choice but to switch to BR.

Disney isn't switching to HD DVD, the deal apple made with sony pretty much garrentees that.
(Apple/Pixar/disney connection)

Fox laid their cards along with WB.

Whats left?

I loved HD DVD, it offered so much for a fair price. But it's now gone. Everyone needs to accept that. What toshiba should do is start making BR players that will also play peoples HD DVDs. It will be the only way to thank the people who supported them. Wasting more money ( Both Tosh's and Consumers ) to prolong a war they can't win is not worth it.

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

Here here.

I see the "losing" side being gracious, and some of the "winners" being dicks. Honestly, that is the main reason I was pulling for HD DVD, to see these tools just disappear for good. As it stands now, I am not sure how much more of the back-patting I can handle. There are people acting like they had a direct hand in this. It is ridiculous.

I still think that in the semi-long term, we HDM customers lose as the competition goes away.

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

I see the "losing" side being gracious, and some of the "winners" being dicks. Honestly, that is the main reason I was pulling for HD DVD, to see these tools just disappear for good. As it stands now, I am not sure how much more of the back-patting I can handle. There are people acting like they had a direct hand in this. It is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

:up:

This is the only forum where things are not...nasty.
HighDefDigest, which to me has always been a joke (and is fun to mess with people) is unreadable at the moment. AVS locks threads like nuts. This is the only forum where can actually have a debate and discuss what happened without "HD DUD Sucks" everywhere. Kudos to many of you (Blu and Red) who are not whining and high-fiving each other like little bitches :lol:

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

Here here.

I see the "losing" side being gracious, and some of the "winners" being dicks. Honestly, that is the main reason I was pulling for HD DVD, to see these tools just disappear for good. As it stands now, I am not sure how much more of the back-patting I can handle.

Originally Posted by DVD Polizei

dsa_shea ,

Most knowledgable HD DVD fans don't dislike Blu-ray. They dislike Sony because of a proven history with them (sorry if this sounds like Deja Vu from me). HD DVD users, I would imagine, are older, and have had various experiences with companies and formats.

On the other hand, I've seen many a Blu-ray owner totally diss on HD DVD users entirely, saying the HD DVD format is inferior altogether when they have no comprehension of what Blu-ray supports and what it does not. They respond to HD DVD owners with childish remarks and it just proves the stereotype of the typical Blu-ray owner. It's pretty much a given and we can easily provide the posts to prove it all over the net (which I won't however, because my fingers are getting tired). So, not to diss on all Blu-ray owners, and hell we all might be one eventually, but the majority of Blu-ray owners are video game enthusiasts. I'd expand on this definition, but I don't want to get people angry at me.

Originally Posted by RoboDad

Actually, if you look closely enough, you will see that there is an equal amount of childishness coming from both sides. Back-patting and gloating are certainly uncalled-for, but so are all the wild doom and gloom claims, the silly assertions and accusations about how the deal went down, and numerous other petty whinings from people who somehow believe they have been personally betrayed.

And before I am labeled a blu fanboy, let me mention that my personal "investment" in HD DVD is currently over $1200.

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

I disagree. I see lots of "nyah nyah posts, and I would name names but THAT would move a mode to suspension, even though "nyah nyah" does not.

I think that most people who owned HD DVD had nothing against BD aside from the higher entry cost.

Originally Posted by Arpeggi

Yeah we don't do any of that stuff. We just come back from self-imposed "retirement" to say [Nelson]HA HA![/Nelson] when our side wins.

Originally Posted by jackson walker

What do you expect? The last year or more a lot of the posters on this board, along with some of the moderators, have chased away some who brought up positive aspects of the Blu-ray format. I am sure there are some of the people who care about movies, and care about high definition, who happened to be in the Blu-ray camp, feel that this forum was slanted against them.
Perhaps they feel vindicated.

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

I disagree. I see lots of "nyah nyah posts, and I would name names but THAT would move a mode to suspension, even though "nyah nyah" does not.

I think that most people who owned HD DVD had nothing against BD aside from the higher entry cost.

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim

And this myth is total fucking bullshit. NO ONE WAS CHASED AWAY. If you think that BD is a 100% perfect tech without a fly in the works, then why enter into discussions where the format is criticized. People have been labelled for saying anything critical, even those of us vocal about the screw-ups on both sides.

THIS FORUM has been far less tolerant of the posters with the mindsets of 10 year olds. If you see that as "chasing off BD supporters" then that may say more about what you see as a regular BD supporter than what WE think is a regular BD supporter.

Originally Posted by RoboDad

If that's really how you see it, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. How anyone can be oblivious to all of the sour grapes posts in this very thread boggles my mind.