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Qui Gon Jim 01-17-08 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by RichC2
What blatant bashing? Seriously, it's been a Blu lovefest here for last couple weeks.

Plus Pro-B's posts always have a certain "tone" to them, so it's kind of expected to be bashed, always has to insert jabs, etc;. In particular that last comment, instead of stating "Fox releases have been great since so and so's release" (which is false, but regardless) he/she had to do it with a backhanded comment toward HD. Was this at all necessary?

But no matter, I'm sure posting habits from both sides will eventually mature a bit.

Agreed. Pro B making comments like that should be expected, as should the response (which, let's face it, is what he wants) and so should the Sony Defense Squad rushing in to his side.

Tiresome.

matome 01-17-08 09:30 AM

Looks like we're looking at 85-15% for Blu-Ray in last weeks Nielsens :up:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...882debd8437313


The product announcements come in a week when the top 10 high-definition disc sellers are all Blu-ray Disc releases, according to an analysis of Nielsen VideoScan First Alert sales numbers by Home Media Magazine's market research department.

Net HD DVD sales, according to Nielsen, constituted only 15% of hi-def disc sales last week. And the top HD DVD seller, "The Kingdom," sold just 10% as many copies as the top Blu-ray Disc release, "3:10 to Yuma."

Hammer99 01-17-08 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by matome
Looks like we're looking at 85-15% for Blu-Ray in last weeks Nielsens :up:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...882debd8437313

Excellent! :up:

DVD Josh 01-17-08 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Agreed. Pro B making comments like that should be expected, as should the response (which, let's face it, is what he wants) and so should the Sony Defense Squad rushing in to his side.

Tiresome.

Jimmy boy speaks the truth.

DVD Josh 01-17-08 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by matome
Looks like we're looking at 85-15% for Blu-Ray in last weeks Nielsens :up:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...882debd8437313

It's all well and good that BD is beating HD, but the TRUE telling statistic would be how much BD sales over SD-DVD have increased since the WB announcement.

cardaway 01-17-08 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by RichC2
What blatant bashing? Seriously, it's been a Blu lovefest here for last couple weeks.

I guess you missed a lot of posts. Posts made without Pro-B giving them another excuse to bash Sony/Blu-ray.

And what's really tiresome is the whining by a few folks everytime Pro-B posts. People who don't have a dog in this really old fight must be sick of seeing it.

DVD Josh 01-17-08 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by cardaway
I guess you missed a lot of posts. Posts made without Pro-B giving them another excuse to bash Sony/Blu-ray.

And what's really tiresome is the whining by a few folks everytime Pro-B posts. People who don't have a dog in this really old fight must be sick of seeing it.

What's really tiresome is that they have to. If he didn't make such outlandish "inventing the question mark" claims, they wouldn't have to keep calling him on it.

RichC2 01-17-08 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by cardaway
I guess you missed a lot of posts. Posts made without Pro-B giving them another excuse to bash Sony/Blu-ray.

And what's really tiresome is the whining by a few folks everytime Pro-B posts. People who don't have a dog in this really old fight must be sick of seeing it.


The entire thing is tired and the reason why I usually don't check these threads (It's constant bashing (mostly of HD DVD) and very little discussing actually goes on), though in this thread specifically, HD DVD bashing is expected (It's the general BD thread afterall). And while it's true it tends to be the same group, it's equally tiring seeing Pro-B's holier-than-thou posts and the same group defending them. That said, it's all simultaneously entertaining and irritating, but thats what makes the world go around. Basically you have your group of people who are defensive, those that are offensive, and those that choose to look on with rose-tinted glasses and defend one side or the other as being inoffensive.

But when all is said and done, it'll be relegated to a foot note. The only person that's come across as a true asshat in all this is Bill Hunt. :)

cardaway 01-17-08 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
What's really tiresome is that they have to. If he didn't make such outlandish "inventing the question mark" claims, they wouldn't have to keep calling him on it.

I see nothing even remotely like that in the recent Pro-B post. What I do see is the same group taking the post as an opportunity to lob more off topic attacks. YMMV.

DVD Josh 01-17-08 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by cardaway
I see nothing even remotely like that in the recent Pro-B post. What I do see is the same group taking the post as an opportunity to lob more off topic attacks. YMMV.

That doesn't surprise me in the least. -rolleyes-

tonymontana313 01-17-08 10:15 AM

I just love how the usual perps come into a Blu-ray thread and complain about the "Sony defense squad". Priceless I tell you. -wink-

BTW, those numbers for the past week are excellent for Blu-ray. And if what Mr Cinema said is true about Best Buy, I really can't see hd-dvd lasting for more than two months.

cardaway 01-17-08 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
That doesn't surprise me in the least. -rolleyes-

Well then why not lay off the sarcastic smilies and tell me what exactly was in that last Pro-B posts that fit that description.

I have no idea how bad the old Pro-B posts were, but what I see recently is nothing but the same group taking shots no matter what is posted.

tonymontana313 01-17-08 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
That doesn't surprise me in the least. -rolleyes-

In my opinion, you're not as bad as some of the other perps.

darkside 01-17-08 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Agreed. Pro B making comments like that should be expected, as should the response (which, let's face it, is what he wants) and so should the Sony Defense Squad rushing in to his side.

Tiresome.

Agree. I've tried to skip over it all, but it is an obvious and tiresome formula. I see a Pro B post I know to skip over it completely as well as the posts of the defenders. It is obvious baiting and I wish people would stop failing for it.

Hammer99 01-17-08 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by RichC2
The entire thing is tired and the reason why I usually don't check these threads (It's constant bashing (mostly of HD DVD) and very little discussing actually goes on), though in this thread specifically, HD DVD bashing is expected (It's the general BD thread afterall). And while it's true it tends to be the same group, it's equally tiring seeing Pro-B's holier-than-thou posts. That said, they're simultaneously entertaining and irritating, but then thats what makes the world go around.

But when all is said and done, it'll be relegated to a foot note. The only person that's come across as a true asshat in all this is Bill Hunt.

No, I'd say #1 is Amir, recently 'retired' by MS. "BD-50's are vaporware." rotfl amongst all the other FUD he spread.

Once again, Bill Hunt proved to be 100% correct in his overall assessment of the situation:
(paraphrasing)
1. Early adopters afraid of being burned should wait for a victor.
2. If you still wanted to jump in, pick blu.

DVD Josh 01-17-08 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
In my opinion, you're not as bad as some of the other perps.

I'll take that as a compliment :D

However, that might have a lot to do with the fact I put Pro-B on ignore.

In other news, but not entirely unrelated, as of yesterday's Amazon delivery, I now have more BD than HD, with a weekend sale of HD-DVDs likely.

bunkaroo 01-17-08 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
If they didn't continue to delay/cancel titles for no reason, and if they get released its bare bones and high prices...what do they expect? The same could be said if Paramount, Universal, Sony, WB etc did these tactics.


Sounds like we need a separate Fox sucks thread for the continued venting then...

BTW, Paramount just doesn't announce anything at all. That's just as bad. I don't like that Fox delays titles, but I'd rather get 70% of announced titles than 100% of no titles.

RichC2 01-17-08 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Hammer99
No, I'd say #1 is Amir, recently 'retired' by MS. "BD-50's are vaporware." rotfl amongst all the other FUD he spread.

Once again, Bill Hunt proved to be 100% correct in his overall assessment of the situation:
(paraphrasing)
1. Early adopters afraid of being burned should wait for a victor.
2. If you still wanted to jump in, pick blu.

Oh I didn't say he wasn't right, he's just got a horrible attitude. Writing style? Something, I dunno what it is, but he manages to assemble words in the best way possible... to induce cringing. :lol:.


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
In other news, but not entirely unrelated, as of yesterday's Amazon delivery, I now have more BD than HD, with a weekend sale of HD-DVDs likely.

I've got a ways to go (didn't get any freebies since I bought a refurb'd PS3) with my ratings around 4 BDs (Cars, Ratatouille, Casino Royale, and the 'meh' PotC3, but had to get something w/ the BOGO and figured I'd give it another shot) and about 17 HDs.

I gotta say though, I like this, I stopped buying DVDs and only buy the HDM of movies I know I'll rewatch. Saving me a ton of money (Netflix-ing everything else).

tonymontana313 01-17-08 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Sounds like we need a separate Fox sucks thread for the continued venting then...

BTW, Paramount just doesn't announce anything at all. That's just as bad. I don't like that Fox delays titles, but I'd rather get 70% of announced titles than 100% of no titles.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cardaway 01-17-08 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
I just love how the usual perps come into a Blu-ray thread and complain about the "Sony defense squad".

Agreed. But of course calling people the "Sony defense squad" is different don't you know.


BTW, those numbers for the past week are excellent for Blu-ray. And if what Mr Cinema said is true about Best Buy, I really can't see hd-dvd lasting for more than two months.
I think it would bad move for BB to dump HD-DVD before they are no longer produced, but nobody can force them to carry anything they don't want to.

But IMO it would take the Wal-Marts and Targets of the world dropping HD-DVD to be the real end.

DVD Josh 01-17-08 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by RichC2
I gotta say though, I like this, I stopped buying DVDs and only buy the HDM of movies I know I'll rewatch. Saving me a ton of money (Netflix-ing everything else).

That was my wife's mandate but I am doing a poor job of it with all these sales.

RichC2 01-17-08 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by cardaway
Agreed. But of course calling people the "Sony defense squad" is different don't you know.



I think it would bad move for BB to dump HD-DVD before they are no longer produced, but nobody can firce them to carry anything they don't want to.

But IMO it would take the Wal-Marts and Targets of the world dropping HD-DVD to be the real end.

I'd personally just say Walmart. But that's just because Target prices on HDM are ridiculous. Walmart has much more reasonable prices ( < $20 on the HP 1 - 4, etc; ) on most BD/HD flicks (with some breaking the $14.xx barrier).

matome 01-17-08 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Sounds like we need a separate Fox sucks thread for the continued venting then...

BTW, Paramount just doesn't announce anything at all. That's just as bad. I don't like that Fox delays titles, but I'd rather get 70% of announced titles than 100% of no titles.

Exactly. When Fox came back in October they had still put out more titles than Paramount had, even with 6 months away. As a matter of fact Paramount just announced their first quarter HD-DVD titles and it's only the five day-and-date titles they had already mentioned and an eventual showing of the Jack Ryan's.

Qui Gon Jim 01-17-08 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Sounds like we need a separate Fox sucks thread for the continued venting then...

BTW, Paramount just doesn't announce anything at all. That's just as bad. I don't like that Fox delays titles, but I'd rather get 70% of announced titles than 100% of no titles.

Can't argue there. They all should take a page from Disney. They promote the BD format even better than Sony does. Their titles are top notch, innovative, and they call from the roofs that they are Blu-Ray all the way. HD DVD would be lucky to have (had?) a studio 1/2 as committed.

On another note, I see that Sharp is offering a free BD player with the purchase of a Sharp HDTV. That would definitely tip me towards an Aquos were I in the market.

cardaway 01-17-08 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by RichC2
I'd personally just say Walmart. But that's just because Target prices on HDM are ridiculous. Walmart has much more reasonable prices ( < $20 on the HP 1 - 4, etc; ) on most BD/HD flicks (with some breaking the $14.xx barrier).

I was thinking selection. My local Target has good size section of HD-DVD titles.

In my experience, the typical shopper doesn't know a title is less at Wal-Mart or Best Buy. I've actually got weird looks when trying to tell somebody then could go to a different store and save 20% to 50%. They would rather buy things where they are at no matter what the price. And not just at Target, happens everywhere.


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