And with that, I vote the thread gets closed.

Any wounds that need healing will likely be cured with a trip to blu-ray.com. let's move on.

Well put. This post as well as your earlier post in this thread.


mod note: As is the custom of these good-bye threads, we'll let this run for a bit (say 24 hours?). And as is the custom in the HD Talk Forums, we'll entertain comments from people on both sides. If you find this thread useless, then you can move on to more relevant threads. -namja

I've noticed the same posting "style" from Harry Lime, BD and PS3 - or rather, negative news posts about the 360, but that could just be me... it's all I ever really noticed from him.



Pro-B leaving the HD section is a mixed bag, but I wonder how active the Blu-ray news & discussion thread will be now. :goodbye: :sad:

I think the forum will move back to the discussion of the most important things, the movies. I think we'll see more talk about actual films and less about BD selling 100 more copies than HD DVD of a specific title in Europe.

:wtf: Your killing me here, Smalls!

You shouldnt leave the HDM forum because people disagree with you. We've talked about this before in private and openly. The whole point of having a place where people get together and conversate is to discuss differences in opinions.

Dont take it so seriously, Its only the internet! :D



I really enjoyed your enthusiasm in the support of your format. I can tell from the conversations that we've had you take great pride in what you've discussed. At times you were overtly passionate about BD - But there is nothing wrong with that.



My question is, if he has been harassed by someone... anyone on this site. Are there steps in place to take care of this?

Pro-Bassoonist will be missed. It's a shame that a person that brings so much interesting information to this board feels like they can't post comfortably here. But I understand the decision given the rampant groupthink that can occur in forums like this. Sometimes discretion truly is the better part of valor...

So does that also mean we'll see less of the almost rabid belief by some here that HD-DVD will win this war due "evidence" that is misquoted from old articles or spin by various HD-DVD fans found on other sites and brought here?

Point out an example of this.

Look at the HD DVD Discussion thread, and you will find (I think) a pretty balanced discussion. The BD thread is basically a joke; a place for a few members to thumb their nose at their "opponents." It is annoying. I am not saying that Pro-B totally fits this mold, but he certainly added plenty of fuel to this fire. Besides that, you act like the stuff you describe never comes from a BD supporter. This holier-than-thou bullshit is maddening.

I think for the most part, the forum is comfortable with the idea of two formats. There are a select few on each side that still feel their every breath is to evangelize their format of choice.

However, if Pro-B says he's not on the take, then I believe him. It is really crappy that people were harassing him privately.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I won't miss the sarcasm, nor the condescending attitude.

I will miss the avatar, though.

;)

How do I do the banana dancing smilie?

I don't agree with that. He posted articles about BD advancement in technology from other parts of the world that I wasn't aware of and I usually hit 3 or 4 hi-def sites a day. Most of the disagreements happened with people disagreeing NOT with him but the article and started lashing out at him as if he wrote the article.

I agree. I pretty much have avoided that post for the past couple weeks. Basically, Pro-B posts something then there are 3 other posts criticizing it. That doesn't happen in the HD-DVD thread. Even when there are arguments they are usually resolved peacefully.

And while there are certainly members that have expressed their preferred format, none of them went to the extent that Pro-B did.

Pro-B, you've opened up my eyes to some great international films and I'm grateful for that. In another thread you said you were a fan of movies not the medium. Why punish yourself with your faith when you could be enjoying all the films available?

I do enjoy the final slap at Josh Z in this "heartfelt" farewell post.

youtoo? :hscratch:

The funny thing about a farewell thread, you have to come back to read the responses. :shrug:

ibtl

Thanks Pro-B. You have been an inspiration to me on the selection of movies to own/watch. See you as usual in the International Section. Can't wait to get a review of the Seventh Seal Tartan release.

Oh, how I agree with this post.

I caught this late so I'll post before it is eventually locked.

I personally have not sent him any derogatory comments, nor at anytime reported him to the mods for any reason whatsoever. I hope he knows this as we have certainly been back and forth in our posts throughout multiple threads over the last year or so.

Pro-B is one of the most intelligent posters on this site, regardless if I agree with him or not.

I agree with a few posts here but I will add a few of mine own...

I have never once PMed Pro-B. He did however PM me several months ago to pretty much say if I disagreed with him that I should communicate with him via PMs vs. replying to his posts in the threads. I thought that was weird so I forwarded his message to a mod and never really posted about. Sorry, but shame on anyone if they are PMing and harassing him (which I don't really believe) as that is something I have no intentions of ever doing to any member. However his motives were questionable considering his 100% Pro-Blu posting. Nothing positive was ever posted about HD DVD and he would back up rumors as if they were facts proven by him IIRC.

His Pro-Blu stance is just too much. Nothing negative can ever be said about the format, and if so, its because the said poster is an HD DVD zealot. While I prefer HD DVD, I also own a Blu-ray player and have 40+ discs. Translating news articles that briefly mention Blu-ray in a positive light is just not needed. Does anyone really care that Iceland sold 50 Blu-ray discs last week while HD DVD sold 25? No. Plenty of times I have come across interesting HD DVD articles...but I don't think anyone would care so I simply didn't post it.

Too many times he has "confirmed" news when in fact it was rumors from his "source". Possibly the same sources that were run off AVS for being wrong too many times and having no way to back up their "rumors". This includes promising all stand alone 1.0 players could be upgraded to 1.1 (false), confirming Spider-Man 3 numbers (false), and more recently the Die Hard Unrated posts where he can claimed the issue was already addressed which in fact it was only TDB (100% Pro-Blu site) who discussed it months prior. Many people here had no idea why an uncut version was not released (due to lack of time, production issues etc), however we know Fox was able to have an Unrated DVD version available as well as an unrated Blu-ray version available in Australia.

For someone that loves international movies it puzzles me why he would not own an HD DVD player as their are many movies available overseas in HD that are not available on either Blu-ray or HD DVD here, nor any chances of them every coming out. Why not pick up a $99 HD DVD player just to watch those movies?

What bugs me the most is that we apparently can't post anything negative about Blu-ray in the general Blu-ray thread according to him. While I understand posting "blu-ray sucks!!! hd dvd rules" would be wrong, discussing things like all stand alones not being able to play certain features should be discussed. Many people will be getting into a format this Holiday season and they won't know anything about the profile mess etc. Just look at this forum in the past few weeks. We have several new HD members pop up with questions that seem so duhh to us, but to them, its new. Upconverting through HDMI? C'mon, who dosnt know that? Can't upconvert over Component? HD DVD being region free ONLY to HD DVD movies not DVDs? We know the answers...but they don't. Thread crapping in the Blu-ray thread with things like "A2 Fire sale" is just asking for trouble.

With that, I'm done. Ive tried to be as nice as possible and have always attacked the posts, not the poster. While Ive had a moderator in a thread say "cool it" or "thats enough", Ive never been PMed regarding anything, suspended, or had a post of mine edited.

Pro-B, I really wish you the best. I don't think leaving the entire forum is the right thing to do, just cool down on the Pro-Blu posts and at least try to reason a little. You love Blu-ray, we got it, but there are also 800k+ HD DVD owners out there and many of us own Blu-ray as well.

Maybe DVD Talk Reviewers should not involve themselves to the degree Pro-B has. Not that he's wrong or right, but he got too involved for a high-profile DVD Talk contributor. We have a lot of smart guys on here who can get way too wound up. It's easy to do. So, maybe Geoff needs to think about how high-profile writers or anyone involved with DVD Talk as a mod or contributor, be automatically disqualified from discussions. This should be SOP. If a person wants to participate in discussions more than modding, they need to renounce their mod status. Same with being a contributor.

Pro-B is a very knowledgable guy, and I give him :up:'s for this. It takes a lot of dedication to do what he does. At the same time, I completely understand his stance on Blu-ray. It's very hard to just sit back and let someone fire a salvo post at your favorite product/brand. We do take our chosen products to heart. That's why we chose them. While I may not understand Pro-B's choice completely (as I currently favor HD DVD), I do respect it.

Just for the record, I never PMed him about anything.

Is that anything like your obvious pro-HD-DVD bias that seemingly comes through everything you write about BD?

NOW IT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN!

We have gone from complaining about what he stated to attaching each other. Isnt this why he left in the first place?

This is like fighting at a funeral.

I don't trust you. Mainly because those weren't a few words.

I call bullshit on the PM attacks. Only because 99% of dvdtalkers don't even know about the PM function.

For the record, I've never attached anyone.

Wow. I can sympathize with Pro-B to a point, but I wouldn't let a handful of losers get to me that much, it's only a friggin' message board. Oh well, happy trails Pro-B!

This is why English sometimes is not the best language.

Ok...clearly this thread is running its course, and it's close enough to the 24 hour mark that namja set that I have no problems closing it.

Pro-B, we'll miss you, come back anytime.