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Casino Royale and other "cut" blu-rays
so I found out that the film has been edited for a PG-13 rating which is super lame, especially that it doesn't say this anywhere on the disc. had to order the australian release. are there any other butchered blu rays? i know i heard die hard 4 will also be cut down.
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The North American release of Casino Royale is the PG-13 cut - Theatrical, DVD, and High Def.
Die Hard 4 is also being released on Blu the same way it was released in NA theaters. The "uncut" Casino Royale isn't available stateside yet in any format, but you can bet it will be before the next Bond comes out. I don't know why Fox decided to release DH4 Theatrical Cut only, though. Those are the only two flicks I actually care about seeing Unrated, and yet the only two that aren't available. Lame. |
The "uncut" Casino Royale differs from the U.S. release by 22 seconds, detailed here:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=29150 Kung-Fu Hustle is another title edited for North America that is available uncut on Blu-ray overseas. |
Originally Posted by Ju|ian
so I found out that the film has been edited for a PG-13 rating which is super lame, especially that it doesn't say this anywhere on the disc. had to order the australian release. are there any other butchered blu rays? i know i heard die hard 4 will also be cut down.
a more reasonable way to present your question might be, "are there any international blu-ray releases that are extended cuts not currently available in the U.S.?" |
I could make an argument for Live Free or Die Hard being "cut" because it was intended to be an R-rated movie. For the most part, I regard director's / extended cuts as curios, as they often don't really have that much of an impact. There's exceptions, to be sure, but most "unrated" cuts aren't really too different and some actually make the movie worse (American Pie is one example).
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ok, sorry guys, i totally misunderstood. i thought that the blu ray version was a cut version of the NA theatrical release. and it also seems that the cuts were pretty negligeable (40$ down the drain). So yes, it was not butchered at all, I can sleep easy now :)
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Still, you would think the studios would release the extended cut of the film here in the U.S. if they made it available elsewhere especially if the difference is only negligible as is the case for Casino Royale. I doubt very much there would be many who would double-dip on the Blu-ray just for about 20 seconds.
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The Casino Royale difference is not an extended cut or director's cut. It is simply different international cuts. Not the same thing.
Ex: UK usually has something different because they have different morality rules than the US. This might be more AC/N/V/L in one scene but less in another since their rules aren't stricter, just different. |
Originally Posted by Spiky
The Casino Royale difference is not an extended cut or director's cut. It is simply different international cuts. Not the same thing.
Ex: UK usually has something different because they have different morality rules than the US. This might be more AC/N/V/L in one scene but less in another since their rules aren't stricter, just different. |
Originally Posted by consoleman
Still, you would think the studios would release the extended cut of the film here in the U.S. if they made it available elsewhere especially if the difference is only negligible as is the case for Casino Royale. I doubt very much there would be many who would double-dip on the Blu-ray just for about 20 seconds.
Anyways this thread title is inaccurate and misleading, quotes or no quotes around "cut". |
anyone else remember the whole Scream Japanese fiasco? what was that 12 seconds?
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Originally Posted by True_Story1011
anyone else remember the whole Scream Japanese fiasco? what was that 12 seconds?
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Yeah, I have the laser. Rose McGowan's head crushed at the top of the garage door :up:
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1. BF guts shown hitting floor
2. Slow pace towards D.Barrymore hanging in tree 3. R.McGowen head in garage extension I dont think I'm missing anything on that... ? |
There were other things, but the ones we listed were the ones I could remember. Thank. god for the IMDB :)
The US LaserDisc version contains the director's cut with ca. 20 seconds of restored footage that was originally cut to avoid being slapped with the NC-17 by the MPAA. It also has commentary by director Wes Craven and writer Kevin Williamson. In the commentary, Craven notes five places where his cut differs from the theatrical release: Steve's guts are shown pouring out of him as Casey looks on. In the released version, the very last few moments of this are shown. Casey hanging from the tree was time compressed in the film release (it is at normal speed here). When Tatum meets her death by garage door, her head is shown, very briefly being flattened. After Kenny the cameraman's throat is cut, he stares at the blood on his hand after touching his neck, and then looks up at the killer. Billy clearly loses control as he delivers his final cuts to Stuart. After Billy and Stuart have finished stabbing each other, there is a shot of Stu's hand dripping blood into a puddle, with Sydney's father looking on. |
Originally Posted by pricdews
If many wouldn't double dip, why would you think they'd release it? Or do you think they should release it INSTEAD of the US theatrical version? Or add a disc?
Anyways this thread title is inaccurate and misleading, quotes or no quotes around "cut". |
Originally Posted by consoleman
Fortunately, I bought this movie on SD and have yet to buy it on Blu-ray (since I don't have a player yet but plan to in the near future). Given that the difference is only 20 seconds, I think Sony should have released the international extended version right off the bat instead of making this a double-dip when the 2nd movie comes out (if that's their plan). It would have been just that little extra Sony could have given to early Blu-ray adopters.
And I don't think my question was answered. Should they have released the extended version INSTEAD of the US version. Or in addition? If so, is it worth a second disc? I'd imagine there'd be more complaints if they didn't release the US version at all. I very well may be off here, definitely no expert - but I still think this thread title is inaccurate and think it'd be changed already if it was about a HD-DVD release. |
I only say that's it's fortunate that I only have the SD in that I would gladly wait till the Extended version of the film hits Blu-ray before I buy it. My argument is only that if they had made this cut available in other countries, releasing it in the U.S. would have certainly been appreciated by many here who were early adopters of Blu-ray.
I am format-neutral when it comes to the format wars, but just hate it when studios are constantly double-dipping. |
I was just about to order the uncut Blu-Ray of Casino Royale from ezydvd but according to the site the disc is 1080i rather than 1080p. Is this a misprint on the website or was the disc indeed encoded with a 1080i transfer?
Link: http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/792930 |
Shouldn't BD be able to handle branching much better than DVD negating all these silly double dips?
Oh and on topic: Mr & Mrs. Smith: BD is the theatrical cut, not the Unrated version that is on DVD. Narnia: TLTW&TW :BD is also the theatrical cut, not the extended version that is on DVD. :down: |
Originally Posted by RocShemp
I was just about to order the uncut Blu-Ray of Casino Royale from ezydvd but according to the site the disc is 1080i rather than 1080p. Is this a misprint on the website or was the disc indeed encoded with a 1080i transfer?
Link: http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/792930 |
Originally Posted by Josh Z
Misprint. The Australian Blu-ray is 1080p, just like every other theatrical film on the format.
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Thanks, Josh Z. I'm correct in assuming that the transfer on the Australian disc is identicle to that of the US disc, right?
I didn't get that from his post at all Peep. I took it to mean that thus far all theatrical releases transfered to BD are in 1080p instead of 1080i (or 720p). |
Never mind, Josh Z. I just saw your review for the Australian disc. Can't wait to get it. :)
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Originally Posted by Peep
I'm not sure what you meant by this. You seem to be implying that 1080i isn't supported by the format, which it is. It seems unlikely that anybody would release 1080i on purpose, but mistakes do happen.
RocShemp, I am not aware of ANY High-Def title released in the 720p format. If anyone can mention any, I'd be very curious. |
I watched both versions and the differences in Live Free or Die Hard were not worth worrying about. The movie did not suffer with the PG13 edits and I really have to question how a movie that violent gets a PG13 with some minor blood and curse word edits. Our priorities are really screwed up. As far as Casino Royale I haven't seen the extra 22 seconds, but I think I will be fine with the US version.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I am not aware of ANY High-Def title released in the 720p format. If anyone can mention any, I'd be very curious.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
1080i and 1080p, on a disc, are the same thing. The only difference between the two is an "i" and a "p". So, you mean there isn't a reason why somebody would purposely replace a p for an i on purpose. What the data does if processed by the HD player, and going on to other processors such as in your HDTV, is another story of course, and then 1080i and 1080p are proper distinctions.
A 1080p transfer, however, has all of the original data from every frame. This can either be output in whole 1080p format, or interlaced to 1080i. If the latter, you still get all of the original data, just transmitted differently. Each pair of interlaced fields come from the same frame and can be easily reconstructed. I am not aware of ANY High-Def title released in the 720p format. If anyone can mention any, I'd be very curious. |
If you were to grab a single frame from an HD title, what would it be. 1920x1080. Right? It's a 2,073,600 pixel image, whether it's 1080i or 1080p.
If you say a High-Def title was recorded in 1080i, it still has the same information. The data is the same. It's just how it's processed. So, once again, we're back to how your processing equipment handles the info. Porn titles won't surprise me as being 720p, so I'll take your word for it--and I'm sure we have amateur HD documentaries which are as well. But for the mainstream movie industry, it will be very very hard to find a title that does not have a 1920x1080 resolution. 1080i is transferring data at twice the speed of a 1080p signal. Interlaced images must be processed quicker because they are processed every other data line. |
Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
If you were to grab a single frame from an HD title, what would it be. 1920x1080. Right? It's a 2,073,600 pixel image, whether it's 1080i or 1080p.
If you say a High-Def title was recorded in 1080i, it still has the same information. The data is the same. It's just how it's processed. So, once again, we're back to how your processing equipment handles the info. Despite the resolution of a single "frame", 1080i is very different from 1080p. And while it's true that the hardware handles it differently, the hardware is handling it differently because there isn't as much picture information per every two frames. |
Originally Posted by RocShemp
I didn't get that from his post at all Peep. I took it to mean that thus far all theatrical releases transfered to BD are in 1080p instead of 1080i (or 720p).
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Originally Posted by Peep
That's cool. Maybe I misread it. All I was saying is that it is possible for a studio to release a 1080i release, but unlikely that they would do it unless by accident.
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Originally Posted by Peep
I have a hard time deciding if you really believe what you say sometimes or if you just keep arguing incorrect points in the hope that the other person will just give up.
Despite the resolution of a single "frame", 1080i is very different from 1080p. And while it's true that the hardware handles it differently, the hardware is handling it differently because there isn't as much picture information per every two frames. "There isn't as much picture information per every TWO frames.": That's the reason a 1080 image is processed at 30fps versus an interlaced, which is processed at 60fps. But hey, believe what you want. The faster a group of images are introduced and taken away by the second in front of you, the less you notice the "gap". It's called motion picture. After a certain speed, you don't notice any difference. If you want to argue 1080i signal has less data information than a 1080p signal, feel free to present evidence supporting your claim. Anyway, I didn't intend to get in a 1080i vs. 1080p debate here, so I'll stop and bring it up in another new thread of its own if necessary. |
Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
If you were to grab a single frame from an HD title, what would it be. 1920x1080. Right? It's a 2,073,600 pixel image, whether it's 1080i or 1080p.
If you say a High-Def title was recorded in 1080i, it still has the same information. The data is the same. It's just how it's processed. So, once again, we're back to how your processing equipment handles the info. This is like the difference between "film" encoding and "video" encoding on DVD. "Video" encoding requires motion-adaptive deinterlacing, which will analyze the fields to pair up data points that look the most similar, to help reduce jaggies. This is an entirely different issue than 1080i transmission. If you start from a 1080p source and then interlace it for 1080i transmission, you're transmitting field pairs that come from the same original frame and thus can be easily re-assembled. |
I happened to find an HD DVD encoded in 1080i, Chronos, and was reviewed here by you (on DVD Talk):
Originally Posted by Joshua Zyber
The 1080i encoding is an odd decision, considering how the packaging boasts of the recent "comprehensive restoration process", and suggests that the transfer was repurposed from a broadcast HD master. Indeed, R&B Films has announced that their forthcoming Blu-ray edition of the movie will be remastered for 1080p. That should make an interesting comparison. For what it's worth, both 1080i and 1080p contain the same amount of picture detail; the only difference is how they're delivered to screen. Properly deinterlaced for a progressive scan screen, a film-based 1080i source can look identical to a 1080p encoding.
I will agree however, different encoding can result in different visual quality if the encode is inferior in some way. But that's a different discussion. I guess I should have responded to the original post differently. Again, I apologize for dragging this out when what I wanted to basically say was, Casino Royale had a very very slim chance of a 1080i encode being it was such a recent movie and rather big-name production. Now I'm really getting OT, but did you by chance happen to view the Blu-ray version of Chronos and compare both versions? I would imagine the 1080p version would look slightly better, but only if had a rather large display. |
Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
In this review, you're saying the two different encodes have the same amount of detail (i.e., resolution I talked about above) and will deliver the same quality and only how it is delivered (i.e., processed) might it be different if the delivery is not the same.
Now I'm really getting OT, but did you by chance happen to view the Blu-ray version of Chronos and compare both versions? I would imagine the 1080p version would look slightly better, but only if had a rather large display. |
Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
I guess I should have responded to the original post differently. Again, I apologize for dragging this out when what I wanted to basically say was, Casino Royale had a very very slim chance of a 1080i encode being it was such a recent movie and rather big-name production.
Casino Royale is unlikely to be 1080i and (everything else equal) 1080i provides a poorer picture than 1080p. |
The USA Blu-ray release of "House of Flying Daggers" is the cut US theatrical version.
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HK releases are the same region as US releases, right? If so, there's hope of getting an uncut Blu-Ray release of House of Flying Daggers (and maybe even the extended cut of Hero).
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
HK releases are the same region as US releases, right?
If so, there's hope of getting an uncut Blu-Ray release of House of Flying Daggers (and maybe even the extended cut of Hero). |
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