Casino Royale and other "cut" blu-rays
10-20-07 | 09:36 AM
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Casino Royale and other "cut" blu-rays
so I found out that the film has been edited for a PG-13 rating which is super lame, especially that it doesn't say this anywhere on the disc. had to order the australian release. are there any other butchered blu rays? i know i heard die hard 4 will also be cut down.
10-20-07 | 09:42 AM
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The North American release of Casino Royale is the PG-13 cut - Theatrical, DVD, and High Def.
Die Hard 4 is also being released on Blu the same way it was released in NA theaters.
The "uncut" Casino Royale isn't available stateside yet in any format, but you can bet it will be before the next Bond comes out. I don't know why Fox decided to release DH4 Theatrical Cut only, though.
Those are the only two flicks I actually care about seeing Unrated, and yet the only two that aren't available. Lame.
Die Hard 4 is also being released on Blu the same way it was released in NA theaters.
The "uncut" Casino Royale isn't available stateside yet in any format, but you can bet it will be before the next Bond comes out. I don't know why Fox decided to release DH4 Theatrical Cut only, though.
Those are the only two flicks I actually care about seeing Unrated, and yet the only two that aren't available. Lame.
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10-20-07 | 10:21 AM
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The "uncut" Casino Royale differs from the U.S. release by 22 seconds, detailed here:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=29150
Kung-Fu Hustle is another title edited for North America that is available uncut on Blu-ray overseas.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=29150
Kung-Fu Hustle is another title edited for North America that is available uncut on Blu-ray overseas.
10-20-07 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ju|ian
so I found out that the film has been edited for a PG-13 rating which is super lame, especially that it doesn't say this anywhere on the disc. had to order the australian release. are there any other butchered blu rays? i know i heard die hard 4 will also be cut down.
a more reasonable way to present your question might be, "are there any international blu-ray releases that are extended cuts not currently available in the U.S.?"
10-20-07 | 11:58 AM
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I could make an argument for Live Free or Die Hard being "cut" because it was intended to be an R-rated movie. For the most part, I regard director's / extended cuts as curios, as they often don't really have that much of an impact. There's exceptions, to be sure, but most "unrated" cuts aren't really too different and some actually make the movie worse (American Pie is one example).
10-20-07 | 11:50 PM
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ok, sorry guys, i totally misunderstood. i thought that the blu ray version was a cut version of the NA theatrical release. and it also seems that the cuts were pretty negligeable (40$ down the drain). So yes, it was not butchered at all, I can sleep easy now 
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10-21-07 | 02:38 PM
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Still, you would think the studios would release the extended cut of the film here in the U.S. if they made it available elsewhere especially if the difference is only negligible as is the case for Casino Royale. I doubt very much there would be many who would double-dip on the Blu-ray just for about 20 seconds.
10-21-07 | 02:58 PM
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The Casino Royale difference is not an extended cut or director's cut. It is simply different international cuts. Not the same thing.
Ex: UK usually has something different because they have different morality rules than the US. This might be more AC/N/V/L in one scene but less in another since their rules aren't stricter, just different.
Ex: UK usually has something different because they have different morality rules than the US. This might be more AC/N/V/L in one scene but less in another since their rules aren't stricter, just different.
10-21-07 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiky
The Casino Royale difference is not an extended cut or director's cut. It is simply different international cuts. Not the same thing.
Ex: UK usually has something different because they have different morality rules than the US. This might be more AC/N/V/L in one scene but less in another since their rules aren't stricter, just different.
Ex: UK usually has something different because they have different morality rules than the US. This might be more AC/N/V/L in one scene but less in another since their rules aren't stricter, just different.
10-21-07 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by consoleman
Still, you would think the studios would release the extended cut of the film here in the U.S. if they made it available elsewhere especially if the difference is only negligible as is the case for Casino Royale. I doubt very much there would be many who would double-dip on the Blu-ray just for about 20 seconds.
Anyways this thread title is inaccurate and misleading, quotes or no quotes around "cut".
10-22-07 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by True_Story1011
anyone else remember the whole Scream Japanese fiasco? what was that 12 seconds?
10-22-07 | 02:59 PM
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1. BF guts shown hitting floor
2. Slow pace towards D.Barrymore hanging in tree
3. R.McGowen head in garage extension
I dont think I'm missing anything on that... ?
2. Slow pace towards D.Barrymore hanging in tree
3. R.McGowen head in garage extension
I dont think I'm missing anything on that... ?
10-22-07 | 03:21 PM
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There were other things, but the ones we listed were the ones I could remember. Thank. god for the IMDB
I believe the commentary track on the R-rated DVD was taken directly unedited from the unrated laserdisc, so Wes refers to the cuts that aren't even there on the DVD
The US LaserDisc version contains the director's cut with ca. 20 seconds of restored footage that was originally cut to avoid being slapped with the NC-17 by the MPAA. It also has commentary by director Wes Craven and writer Kevin Williamson. In the commentary, Craven notes five places where his cut differs from the theatrical release:
Steve's guts are shown pouring out of him as Casey looks on. In the released version, the very last few moments of this are shown.
Casey hanging from the tree was time compressed in the film release (it is at normal speed here).
When Tatum meets her death by garage door, her head is shown, very briefly being flattened.
After Kenny the cameraman's throat is cut, he stares at the blood on his hand after touching his neck, and then looks up at the killer.
Billy clearly loses control as he delivers his final cuts to Stuart.
After Billy and Stuart have finished stabbing each other, there is a shot of Stu's hand dripping blood into a puddle, with Sydney's father looking on.
Steve's guts are shown pouring out of him as Casey looks on. In the released version, the very last few moments of this are shown.
Casey hanging from the tree was time compressed in the film release (it is at normal speed here).
When Tatum meets her death by garage door, her head is shown, very briefly being flattened.
After Kenny the cameraman's throat is cut, he stares at the blood on his hand after touching his neck, and then looks up at the killer.
Billy clearly loses control as he delivers his final cuts to Stuart.
After Billy and Stuart have finished stabbing each other, there is a shot of Stu's hand dripping blood into a puddle, with Sydney's father looking on.
10-22-07 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pricdews
If many wouldn't double dip, why would you think they'd release it? Or do you think they should release it INSTEAD of the US theatrical version? Or add a disc?
Anyways this thread title is inaccurate and misleading, quotes or no quotes around "cut".
Anyways this thread title is inaccurate and misleading, quotes or no quotes around "cut".
10-22-07 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by consoleman
Fortunately, I bought this movie on SD and have yet to buy it on Blu-ray (since I don't have a player yet but plan to in the near future). Given that the difference is only 20 seconds, I think Sony should have released the international extended version right off the bat instead of making this a double-dip when the 2nd movie comes out (if that's their plan). It would have been just that little extra Sony could have given to early Blu-ray adopters.
And I don't think my question was answered. Should they have released the extended version INSTEAD of the US version. Or in addition? If so, is it worth a second disc? I'd imagine there'd be more complaints if they didn't release the US version at all.
I very well may be off here, definitely no expert - but I still think this thread title is inaccurate and think it'd be changed already if it was about a HD-DVD release.
10-23-07 | 08:34 AM
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I only say that's it's fortunate that I only have the SD in that I would gladly wait till the Extended version of the film hits Blu-ray before I buy it. My argument is only that if they had made this cut available in other countries, releasing it in the U.S. would have certainly been appreciated by many here who were early adopters of Blu-ray.
I am format-neutral when it comes to the format wars, but just hate it when studios are constantly double-dipping.
I am format-neutral when it comes to the format wars, but just hate it when studios are constantly double-dipping.
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03-28-08 | 02:14 PM
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I was just about to order the uncut Blu-Ray of Casino Royale from ezydvd but according to the site the disc is 1080i rather than 1080p. Is this a misprint on the website or was the disc indeed encoded with a 1080i transfer?
Link: http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/792930
Link: http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/792930
03-28-08 | 03:11 PM
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Shouldn't BD be able to handle branching much better than DVD negating all these silly double dips?
Oh and on topic:
Mr & Mrs. Smith: BD is the theatrical cut, not the Unrated version that is on DVD.
Narnia: TLTW&TW :BD is also the theatrical cut, not the extended version that is on DVD.
Oh and on topic:
Mr & Mrs. Smith: BD is the theatrical cut, not the Unrated version that is on DVD.
Narnia: TLTW&TW :BD is also the theatrical cut, not the extended version that is on DVD.
03-28-08 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
I was just about to order the uncut Blu-Ray of Casino Royale from ezydvd but according to the site the disc is 1080i rather than 1080p. Is this a misprint on the website or was the disc indeed encoded with a 1080i transfer?
Link: http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/792930
Link: http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/792930
03-28-08 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
Misprint. The Australian Blu-ray is 1080p, just like every other theatrical film on the format.
03-28-08 | 10:34 PM
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Thanks, Josh Z. I'm correct in assuming that the transfer on the Australian disc is identicle to that of the US disc, right?
I didn't get that from his post at all Peep. I took it to mean that thus far all theatrical releases transfered to BD are in 1080p instead of 1080i (or 720p).
I didn't get that from his post at all Peep. I took it to mean that thus far all theatrical releases transfered to BD are in 1080p instead of 1080i (or 720p).
03-29-08 | 07:35 AM
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Never mind, Josh Z. I just saw your review for the Australian disc. Can't wait to get it.
03-29-08 | 12:33 PM
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I'm not sure what you meant by this. You seem to be implying that 1080i isn't supported by the format, which it is. It seems unlikely that anybody would release 1080i on purpose, but mistakes do happen.
RocShemp,
I am not aware of ANY High-Def title released in the 720p format. If anyone can mention any, I'd be very curious.
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