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The Bus 10-29-07 11:32 AM

I don't think we'll see BD movies in the $5.50 bin at Wal-Mart anytime soon but it would be nice to walk into a store and pay under $20 for any title without having to wait for a sale.

kefrank 10-29-07 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by The Bus
I don't think we'll see BD movies in the $5.50 bin at Wal-Mart anytime soon but it would be nice to walk into a store and pay under $20 for any title without having to wait for a sale.

i agree in spirit, but that's not even the case with DVD now. there are plenty of DVDs that sell for more than $20 at the major B&Ms.

Gizmo 10-29-07 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by kefrank
i agree in spirit, but that's not even the case with DVD now. there are plenty of DVDs that sell for more than $20 at the major B&Ms.

Very few movies are over $19.99 unless they are 2+ Disc editions or Criterions. Most hover around the $14.99 or so range with tons under $9.99.

tonymontana313 10-29-07 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Very few movies are over $19.99 unless they are 2+ Disc editions or Criterions. Most hover around the $14.99 or so range with tons under $9.99.

If you take a look at what the studios are doing now, almost every new release is coming in a higher priced 2 disc edition and most retailers are actually stocking more of the 2 disc editions at over 20 bucks rather than the one disc edition.

Gizmo 10-29-07 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
If you take a look at what the studios are doing now, almost every new release is coming in a higher priced 2 disc edition and most retailers are actually stocking more of the 2 disc editions at over 20 bucks rather than the one disc edition.

As I said, there are 2+ Disc versions that sell for more then $20, however, that is not really "the norm". Walk through the DVD aisles at Best Buy and randomly pull out DVDs...less then $19.99.

Qui Gon Jim 10-29-07 01:28 PM

I disagree that the higher priced editions are stocked more. In almost all cases, around here at least, the ratio is 50:1.

Time proves to be the great equalizer with DVD. Within months, that high priced SE is almost always available for much, much less.

kefrank 10-29-07 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Very few movies are over $19.99 unless they are 2+ Disc editions or Criterions. Most hover around the $14.99 or so range with tons under $9.99.

of course most are less than $20, but the post i responded to expressed a desire to pick up any title for less than $20. i was simply pointing out that we don't even have that situation with DVD. many new titles in particular are often > $20 special editions.

pro-bassoonist 10-29-07 03:11 PM

Fox prices reduced at Amazon
 
As the note above suggests selected Fox catalog product has been reduced to 23.95$

The Die Hard Collection is also reduced to 82.95 $.

Ciao,
Pro-B

Gizmo 10-29-07 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
As the note above suggests selected Fox catalog product has been reduced to 23.95$

The Die Hard Collection is also reduced to 82.95 $.

Ciao,
Pro-B

Gonna take a gander at Amazon right now...

They should be $19.99 or $21.99 though. Oh well.

Here is the list:
28 Weeks Later [Blu-ray] $23.95
AVP - Alien Vs. Predator [Blu-ray] $23.95
Chain Reaction [Blu-ray] $23.95
Edward Scissorhands [Blu-ray] $23.95
Fantastic Four - Rise of the Silver Surfer [Blu-Ray] $23.95
Ice Age - The Meltdown [Blu-ray] $23.95
Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut) [Blu-ray] $23.95
Live Free or Die Hard [Blu-ray] $23.95
Robocop [Blu-ray] $23.95
The Day After Tomorrow [Blu-ray] $23.95
The Simpsons Movie [Blu-ray] $23.95

Still no buys for me.

Drexl 10-29-07 04:10 PM

Actually those aren't bad prices for the new release titles like Simpsons, LFODH, etc. If they were from some other studios (Sony, Paramount, Lionsgate) they'd be higher.

BTW, does anyone know why Lionsgate is taking the rest of the year off?

Spiky 10-29-07 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by chanster
Well if anything, video game pricing has consistently gone up...supposedly more work is required for games now, and gamers have gotten use to prices going up, not down.

Not in my estimation. Games still sell for $50-60 brand new. (ignoring some oddballs above or below) In 1988, they sold for $50-70 brand new. That is a reduction, esp when factoring inflation into the calc.

bunkaroo 10-29-07 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Spiky
Not in my estimation. Games still sell for $50-60 brand new. (ignoring some oddballs above or below) In 1988, they sold for $50-70 brand new. That is a reduction, esp when factoring inflation into the calc.

I'd wager part of the higher price back then was due to manufacturing costs associated with cartridges. Still it's a good point.

I believe Zelda OoT was $60 or more when I bought it in 1998.

tonymontana313 10-29-07 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Gonna take a gander at Amazon right now...

They should be $19.99 or $21.99 though. Oh well.

Here is the list:
28 Weeks Later [Blu-ray] $23.95
AVP - Alien Vs. Predator [Blu-ray] $23.95
Chain Reaction [Blu-ray] $23.95
Edward Scissorhands [Blu-ray] $23.95
Fantastic Four - Rise of the Silver Surfer [Blu-Ray] $23.95
Ice Age - The Meltdown [Blu-ray] $23.95
Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut) [Blu-ray] $23.95
Live Free or Die Hard [Blu-ray] $23.95
Robocop [Blu-ray] $23.95
The Day After Tomorrow [Blu-ray] $23.95
The Simpsons Movie [Blu-ray] $23.95

Still no buys for me.

Thanks for the heads up! I just ordered The Simpsons, the Die Hard quadrilogy and The Day after Tomorrow. This is about as cheap as we are going to get when it comes to Fox.

dsa_shea 10-29-07 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I'd wager part of the higher price back then was due to manufacturing costs associated with cartridges. Still it's a good point.

I believe Zelda OoT was $60 or more when I bought it in 1998.

I clearly remember paying 50 dollars plus tax for Baseball Stars for the NES.

Gizmo 10-29-07 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Thanks for the heads up! I just ordered The Simpsons, the Die Hard quadrilogy and The Day after Tomorrow. This is about as cheap as we are going to get when it comes to Fox.

Yikes, I totally glazed past The Simpsons...pretty damn good price. I have a feeling it might be cheaper release week though somewhere so I'll hold out...for now.

Spiky 10-29-07 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I'd wager part of the higher price back then was due to manufacturing costs associated with cartridges. Still it's a good point.

I believe Zelda OoT was $60 or more when I bought it in 1998.

FF3 cost me $70 back whenever that was. Carts definitely cost them more, which they kindly passed on to us.

The one way prices WERE coming down was due to the CDs for PSX/PS2, esp since they dropped prices faster. But they still came out at $50 usually, $40 for yearly update games like sports. As I recall.

Harry Lime 10-30-07 09:28 AM


Fox Promises Expanded Blu-ray Support in 2008

Fox Home Entertainment kicked off a two-day Blu-ray media event in Los Angeles with a bang Monday, pledging a strong Blu-ray release calender in 2008 that could hit as high as 100 new titles.

Although the studio declined to list specific titles, Fox reps said that they intended to support releases of A-list Blu-ray titles day-and-date with the Standard DVD "when we can."

The announcement can only be seen as good news for Blu-ray fans, following a six-month drought earlier this year that left some questioning the studio's commitment to next-gen media. (At press time, the studio's total release count for 2007 was 44, including titles it distributes under the MGM label.)

Fox's pledge came on the first day of a Blu-ray press event dubbed the "Blu-ray Festival." The two-day event includes sessions with several other Blu-ray supporting companies, including Disney, Sony, Panasonic and the Blu-ray Disc Association itself.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news...t_in_2008/1119

Hammer99 10-30-07 09:31 AM

Just got an E-mail from Amazon:
Stranglehold/Hard Boiled has been pushed back again,
Estimated arrival date: 11/29/2007 - 12/13/2007

Gizmo 10-30-07 10:26 AM

Sorry Fox, I've heard this twice from you already and then you left for 6 months. I will believe it when I see the titles in my actually hand. Still waiting for several of those 20 titles you announced back at CES 07.

bunkaroo 10-30-07 10:29 AM

Fox is certainly the kings of the announce/retract action, but at least they'll have more stuff out this fall than Paramount, who just doesn't announce anything in the first place.

matome 10-30-07 10:36 AM

^Exactly, Fox had been gone for six months and they still have more titles out than Paramount.

Supermallet 10-30-07 10:47 AM

I was at that Fox event and it was a mess. They spent almost all their time showing us games that use BD-J and I asked them why Robocop was featureless twice and the first time they literally dodged my question by saying, "Speaking of Robocop, let's take a look at I, Robot." The second time I asked, I got a mumbly non-answer that boiled down to "We'd rather get it out on time than get it right."

pro-bassoonist 10-30-07 01:09 PM

Panasonic intros next-gen Blu-ray player
 
Here's the first article on the announcement (I hope a full specs chart is posted on Panasonic's site shortly) touted for October 30th.

Panasonic intros next-gen Blu-ray player

By Dennis P. Barker

Page 1 of 2
http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/2...nline_dtvdlRSS


Digital TV Designline
(10/30/2007 9:00 AM EDT)

Panasonic has announced the introduction of the DMP-BD30, which the company calls the next generation High Definition 1080p Blu-ray Disc player. The DMP-BD30 is the first Blu-ray player to be introduced with Final Standard Profile, which adds a variety of new and enhanced features to the Blu-ray arena and one that separates the Panasonic Blu-ray player from the rest of the field.

Also unique to the DMP-BD30 is the inclusion of an SD Memory Card slot for playback of High Definition content recorded in the AVCHD format. The SD slot also allows for viewing of digital still images recorded to an SD Memory Card.

Final Standard Profile is an advanced function added to the Blu-ray standard, which opens the door to new functions such as Picture-in-Picture (which displays a second image in a sub window) and Audio Mixing (allows the consumer to switch the sound between the main and sub windows).

According to Gene Kelsey, Vice President, Panasonic Entertainment Group, "The DMP-BD30 will contribute greatly to Blu-ray's mounting lead over the competing format. Panasonic's adoption of the Final Standard Profile adds a whole new dimension to the entertainment experience. For example, when the added value features inherent to the Final Standard Profile are incorporated into a Blu-ray movie, the viewer could have a myriad of entertainment options. One of the more intriguing aspects of the Final Standard Profile is the Picture-in-Picture feature that would allow the movie fan to access a variety of entertainment enhancements, such as having the director or an actor pop up to discuss a scene you are watching, or with an animated movie, you might see the actor performing their character's voice over, all while still watching the movie. Not only do these features give Panasonic a strong advantage in the high definition market, but they provide the movie community with numerous opportunities to embellish the viewing experience with additional creative elements".

http://i.cmpnet.com/digitaltvdesignl.../Panasonic.jpg

Key Features:

Final Standard Profile adds a variety of new and enhanced features* to BD media produced using BD-ROM Profile 1 Version 1.1. For example, a Picture-in-Picture feature displays a sub-screen, and an Audio Mixing function lets the user switch the playback sound between the main screen and the sub-screen.

The DMP-BD30 incorporates the same unique Panasonic P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD) technology that gained widespread popularity in the DMP-BD10/10A. In addition, the PHL Reference Chroma Processor in the DMP-BD30 expresses the fine details and nuances of movie scenes by reproducing clearer color boundaries, and the 1080/24p Playback function provides BD movies with the same 24-fps (frames per second) playback used in movie theaters. The DMP-BD30 is also compatible with HDMITM V.1.3 and the Deep Color function, for superbly smooth gradation and 4,096-step gradation. These and other features greatly boost image processing performance.

To enhance the sound quality, HDMITM V.1.3 compliance also enables the DMP-BD30 to output Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD audio in bitstream form with no degradation, and brings remastering to the Blu-ray Disc for the first time ever.

These high-quality image and sound technologies are incorporated in the UniPhier chip, a Panasonic-created system LSI developed by applying 45-nanometer processing to a consumer product for the first time in the world. This single-chip integration technology also contributes greatly to the DMP-BD30's slimmer dimensions and lower power consumption.

http://i.cmpnet.com/digitaltvdesignl...7/10/Pana2.jpg

For networking convenience, the DMP-BD30 comes with an SD Memory Card slot. This enables easy linking with an HD camcorder or digital still camera. AVCHD video images and JPEG photos can be viewed on a large-screen TV at a high 1920 x 1080 resolution by simply inserting an SD Memory Card into the DMP-BD30's SD Memory Card slot.

The inclusion of a multi-function SD Card slot is another new addition to the Panasonic Blu-ray player. Coupled with the AVCHD codec, the DMP-BD30 allows for images recorded on a high capacity HD SD card to be outputted directly from the player's HDMI terminal in their original 1080p form. To further benefit the user, the DMP-BD30 provides an AVCHD Direct Navigator function that makes it easy to search for particular scenes. The player can also play back JPEG still images on an SD card, such as those recorded with a Panasonic Lumix digital camera. The DMP-BD30 converts the images to 1920x1080 resolution, ideal for viewing on a1080p HD Plasma and output them through the HDMI terminal.

http://i.cmpnet.com/digitaltvdesignl...7/10/Pana1.jpg

The new DMP-BD30 Blu-ray Disc Player both maximizes BD media enjoyment and links with other High Definition products such as camcorders and digital still cameras to serve as a vital hub for HD entertainment.

Like its predecessor, the DMP-DB30 features the EZ-Sync HDAVI Control that allows the consumer to operate their Panasonic home theater system with one remote. With one touch of the EZ-Sync button, all the components turn on, the correct TV input is chosen, the TV's built-in speakers are muted and the home theater starts playback.

With a suggeste retail price of $499.95, the DMP-BD30 also features a myriad of technology advances, including Deep Color Compatibility, and HDMI 1.3B, that bumps the step gradation from 8-bit 256 all the way up to 12-bit, 4,096 step gradation. To further enhance the viewing experience, the DMP-BD30 also provides 1080/24p playback, so the consumer can enjoy the same 24-fps (frames per second) reproduction as the original movie. This eliminates the need to utilize 3.2 pull down, a process to convert 24-fps images to 60-fps, resulting in a smoother picture.

Kelsey added, "Panasonic's commitment to excellence in entertainment and technology is evident in the establishment of Panasonic Hollywood Labs, where a great deal of research went into the development of Blu-ray. PHL has become one of the major centers for the authoring of Blu-ray titles and works closely with studio engineers in developing High Definition compression technologies."

Based in Secaucus, N.J., Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company, a market and technology leader in high definition entertainment, is a Division of Panasonic Corporation of North America, the principal North American subsidiary of Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd. (NYSE: MC) and the hub of Panasonic's U.S. marketing, sales, service and R&D operations. Information about Panasonic products is available at www.panasonic.com. Additional company information is available at www.panasonic.com.



Ciao,
Pro-B

Drexl 10-30-07 01:13 PM

Does Final Standard Profile mean they're done changing the profile, or is this in between 1.1 and 2.0?

Mr. Cinema 10-30-07 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Drexl
Does Final Standard Profile mean they're done changing the profile, or is this in between 1.1 and 2.0?

This will be a 1.1 player, which will allow playback of true picture-in-picture titles. 10/31 is the cutoff date for which players can be released as 1.0 profile. So after that passes, the new "standard profile" will be 1.1.

2.0 (BD Live) is a ways off. This Panny is looking very good. If it does DTS HD MA, retains 7.1 analogs, I think I've finally found my standalone device. With that $499 list price, this could possibly be had for $400 once Amazon begins selling it.


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