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starseed1981 09-05-07 09:04 AM

Sonuva.... Look like this one is gonna be relegated to Netflix for me.

Giles 09-05-07 09:07 AM

honestly though, it wasn't even a good movie to begin with.... an extra spurt of blood, a few more expletives, wouldn't have helped it in the slightest... sorry I know that's a thread crap, but I really expected a lot more from this movie.

RockStrongo 09-05-07 09:22 AM

I thought LFODH was decent, but since this is not the R rated version, im not getting it. Ill get the trilogy and probably rent the 4th one. If they come out with an unrated version in the future, ill snag it.

FOX you lost out on ALOT of sales for this one.

I have no confidence in FOX.

matome 09-05-07 09:23 AM

Oh well, looks like I'll just pick up the original Trilogy on BD and the SD of DH4. They should've used seamless branching on this like they did with AVP.

bunkaroo 09-05-07 09:33 AM

I liked LFODH but there's no point in buying this BD when the Unrated BD is inevitable (barring BD+ being cracked ;)).

I'll get the trilogy and not buy any version of LFODH.

Josh Z 09-05-07 09:33 AM

Is there more to the "Unrated" cut other than different audio cues that no longer obscure the swearing?

Giles 09-05-07 09:35 AM

from what I read they were digitally adding blood spurts to the gun shots/body impacts.

Th0r S1mpson 09-05-07 10:06 AM

You guys have it all wrong. If the R-rated material was shown in HD, it would have been NC-17 because it would look so realistic an icky. They are doing everyone a favor.

Giles 09-05-07 10:09 AM

you forgot a sarcasm smiley Thor

Jericho 09-05-07 10:23 AM

Normally a bunch of internet whinings about the ratings would mean nothing, but considering how few people actually buy Blu Ray discs, the lack of an unrated option may realistically hurt sales. There definitely will be some lost sales.

tonymontana313 09-05-07 10:38 AM

I'm hoping Fox comes to their senses and releases the unrated cut. They can't even be thinking double dipping at this point since HDM is still trying to gain a foothold in people's homes so I'm very puzzled why they're giving us a kick in the nuts.

RockStrongo 09-05-07 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by tonymontana313
I'm hoping Fox comes to their senses and releases the unrated cut. They can't even be thinking double dipping at this point since HDM is still trying to gain a foothold in people's homes so I'm very puzzled why they're giving us a kick in the nuts.

Exactly, it seems like a very brazen move on their part that they are thinking that far ahead on this.

Fox, you should worry about the sales of THIS disc and not one in the future.

Who knows though, with this type of attitude, their double-dip might be on hd-dvd. :p

Shannon Nutt 09-05-07 11:01 AM

As others have touched upon, I'm also guessing we're going to see a lot more of this, since studios usually have to prep a rated (be it PG-13, R, whatever) hi-def version for cable. So since Fox has to provide an HD PG-13 version anyway, they apparantly don't want to take the time to do an HD Unrated version as well.

They made my purchasing choice a lot easier though...just going with the standard Unrated version.

RockStrongo 09-05-07 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
They made my purchasing choice a lot easier though...just going with the standard Unrated version.

They made mine easy too....Im not buying any Live Free or Die Hard version and only renting the SD unrated disc.

PixyJunket 09-05-07 11:12 AM

Man, people are still eating up the whole unrated marketing gimmick.

Seriously, are an added "fuck" and some digital blood that important?

cartman 09-05-07 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Man, people are still eating up the whole unrated marketing gimmick.

Seriously, are an added "fuck" and some digital blood that important?

In a Die Hard movie? Yes, though they aren't really adding the "fuck"'s, they're removing the ultra shitty ADR that was present through the entire movie.

BravesMG 09-05-07 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Man, people are still eating up the whole unrated marketing gimmick.

Seriously, are an added "fuck" and some digital blood that important?

Usually I'd agree with you if the rating doesn't change. But going from PG-13 to R *could* be a pretty dramatic change to the tone if they did have to cut/cover quite a bit of footage to get down to PG-13. I loved LFODH, but I'll still either wait or just go with the SD version unless something changes.

But with something like Knocked Up, I'd agree. I will be picking up the HD version unrated or not, even though as I said a few posts ago, the picture on Amazon has it as Unrated.

redbill 09-05-07 12:53 PM

Just because its "unrated" doesn't mean its going to "R" level or more. It just means they're making a new cut and not submitting it to the MPAA for review. Could be a very similar movie, with minor differences, and they're using the "unrated" as a marketting ploy for kids who like to here the F-word....

BravesMG 09-05-07 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by redbill
Just because its "unrated" doesn't mean its going to "R" level or more. It just means they're making a new cut and not submitting it to the MPAA for review. Could be a very similar movie, with minor differences, and they're using the "unrated" as a marketting ploy for kids who like to here the F-word....

I'm not debating that, and that's why I starred *could* be a big change. But if they could have added some extra violence in and kept the PG-13 rating, I'd be shocked if they didn't. I'm obviously going to wait for some reviews, but of all the unrated nonsense, this is one of the few titles that I think actually might make a difference.

DamingR 09-05-07 01:35 PM

Don't worry, the unrated will be available next year day and date with the individual releases of the movies in the triple pack, this time all in steel book packaging and special slipcovers w/o inserts. Haven't you guys been paying attention to Fox Home Video for the last 10 years?

;)

Paul Arnette 09-05-07 03:11 PM

I was on the fence about this release since I have yet to see it, but this news pushed me firmly into the rental camp.

PopcornTreeCt 09-05-07 04:28 PM

Well, no R-rated version makes this release meaningless to me. Now the Fox exclusivity means less then ever. Once you are used to R-rated versions, anything else is simply rubbish IMO. Thanks to Fox for softening the blow.

;)

RockStrongo 09-05-07 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by cartman
In a Die Hard movie? Yes, though they aren't really adding the "fuck"'s, they're removing the ultra shitty ADR that was present through the entire movie.

EXACTLY....this movie was made to be R rated and was digitally edited and dubbed for theaters to get more people in the seats with a PG13.

The worst was when Olyphant said...."I was crucified" (his lips said "fucked").

Everyone assumed there would be an unrated version, but we all thought it would make its way to BD day/date.

Someone in the BD insider camp better get this message to FOX if they want this to compete with the big titles of the holiday season.

bboisvert 09-05-07 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by redbill
Just because its "unrated" doesn't mean its going to "R" level or more. It just means they're making a new cut and not submitting it to the MPAA for review. Could be a very similar movie, with minor differences, and they're using the "unrated" as a marketting ploy for kids who like to here the F-word....

But a couple of those F-words would MAKE it an R-rated film. It's pretty generally accepted (maybe even proven via insider interviews) that this was an R-rated film that was trimmed down to PG-13 for economic reasons.

Even if they just restore the original dialog to the film (which was overdubbed theatrically), I think this would get an R.

So, in this particular case, unrated does mean "R level".

RockStrongo 09-05-07 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by bboisvert
But a couple of those F-words would MAKE it an R-rated film. It's pretty generally accepted (maybe even proven via insider interviews) that this was an R-rated film that was trimmed down to PG-13 for economic reasons.

No insider needed....you could tell a few times that they said "fuck" and it was dubbed over.

Now, whether or not that dub is removed in the unrated version remains to be seen, but I would think it is.


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