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redbill 12-23-07 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Nice try on discrediting the author. I see no SKU confusion. Both Spidey and Bourne have newly released second sequels that were released in both a single SKU and a three pack SKU. From the way I read this, the Bourne single film SKU outsold the single SKU of Spidey.

The one thing that is left out is that the first two Bourne flicks are available separately, but Spidey one and two are not, giving extra incentive to buy the three pack over the single SKU.

I say add both three packs and single film releases and compare the two numbers, then divide by installed base and see how those two numbers compare.

there's also that Spidy 3 was an awful movie, and Bourne U was good.

TheMovieman 12-23-07 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I dont even think it matters really. Bluray should be killing hd-dvd right now and its not. The Sony CEO has reason to be worried and its no surprise of his comments of late.

Im really starting to think WB will go hd-dvd exclusive soon. Maybe not at CES, but soon.

I think WB will remain neutral and will wait to see what happens during 2008. The fact that they haven't released Matrix and Batman Begins on Blu Ray yet makes it, to me at least, unlikely they'll go BR exclusive.

My personal odds (based on really nothing :p )

3:2 - Stay neautral
10:1 - HD-DVD exclusive
25:1 - Blu Ray exclusive
1000:1 - Drop 'em both



Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
How soon after these events do we get news? Right away?

I'd assume right away with texting and such. You'll be able to find out almost immediately on either/both AVS and Blu Ray.com

The Third Jake 12-23-07 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
The one thing that is left out is that the first two Bourne flicks are available separately, but Spidey one and two are not, giving extra incentive to buy the three pack over the single SKU.

Not only that, but the first two Bourne flicks were also available before the release of the "box set." Not so for Spidey. This would seem to pump up Bourne's single-disc release and Spidey's box set, which skews the breakdown exactly as Universal would like.

I'm glad to hear The Bourne Ultimatum is selling well, but despite the superficial similarities between its and Spider-Man 3's releases, comparing the two situations strikes me as next to useless.

darkside 12-23-07 03:03 PM

I seriously doubt Warner is changing policy at all, but I guess we will see. I've definitely shown my support for HD DVD this week. I bought all 5 Harry Potter films on HD DVD along with the Shining, Old School, Hot Rod and Bourne Ultimatum. I'm probably going to exchange my copy of Blade Runner for the HD DVD version as well since the Blu-ray apparently has a problem with one of its discs.

bunkaroo 12-23-07 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by darkside
I'm probably going to exchange my copy of Blade Runner for the HD DVD version as well since the Blu-ray apparently has a problem with one of its discs.

The problem with the Blade Runner BD seems to be pretty limited based on the AVS thread, and may even be Canadian only.

Gizmo 12-23-07 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by bunkaroo
The problem with the Blade Runner BD seems to be pretty limited based on the AVS thread, and may even be Canadian only.

I think thats a different issue all by itself.
America is having issues with Disc 5 being Disc 1 (with Disc 5 artwork) and I think its the exact opposite for Canada. I may be wrong since I am confused as hell. I'm just glad this issue is not spread to HD DVD, since my briefcase should be delivered tomorrow.

RockStrongo 12-23-07 04:21 PM

I picked up the Samsung BD-UP5000 today. Works very well for all formats (HD, BD, SD). They have not enabled Dolby TrueHD 5.1/7.1 support, but hopefully will soon(only 2.0 right now). So far, I love this player!

Supermallet 12-23-07 04:30 PM

So I take it that it doesn't yet have DTS-HD MA support, either.

Gizmo 12-23-07 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
So I take it that it doesn't yet have DTS-HD MA support, either.

I don't think there has been a single firmware update on the UP5000 yet.

bunkaroo 12-23-07 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I think thats a different issue all by itself.
America is having issues with Disc 5 being Disc 1 (with Disc 5 artwork) and I think its the exact opposite for Canada. I may be wrong since I am confused as hell. I'm just glad this issue is not spread to HD DVD, since my briefcase should be delivered tomorrow.

No, it's the issue with disc 5 being labeled correctly but containing disc 1's content.

That is the only issue I've heard of with any version.

Check this link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=957384&page=3

Again, it appears to be limited to Canada at the moment.

My US copy of BD version was fine BTW.

Gizmo 12-23-07 05:07 PM

Just for some fun...

http://www.avrevforum.com/showthread.php?t=980&page=39


I'm connected to Disney. I'm told totally different things. They have TL test discs authored. You do that because you love BD?

This isn't a rumor. That is a fact. Their CEO routinely says the opposite of their VP that they are constantly monitoring both sides and remember Iger as recently as a few months ago again stated they were monitoring both sides. Last December he said it was likely they would be neutral at some point. Sony signed them to a 1 year exclusivity deal for pretty much free BD50s. That is up in January.
Keep in mind, Paramount dropped Blu-ray as soon as the above mentioned 50GB offer ended...


The foggy picture looks like this:

Warners is considering going exclusive still. They just won't be going BD exclusive.

New Line is considering the same.

Disney is considering going neutral. They want Warners to stay neutral if they're going neutral.

I believe the chances of a change are less than 50% right now. To me it looks like a CES without changes except for possibly New Line. I know LOTR will be HD DVD's huge title announcement (and on TL).

The House of Mouse is putting a lot of pressure along with Warners for them to come up with a solution.

Otherwise those two are going to come up with one of their own. Warners may go exclusive to HD DVD. I'd put that at about a 40% chance right now. Disney may go neutral. I'd put that at about 70%.

Sony is either going to cough up cash to stop Warners from going exclusive (and remain neutral) or cough up cash and keep Disney exclusive. I don't see Toshiba/MS coughing up cash to battle Sony over Warners. I think they'll keep that cash to make sure Disney isn't bought by Sony again (no they didn't receive advertising money, they received a ludicrous price for BD50).

Ok enlighten me. I'm Warners.

Tell me why the sales of Disney, FOX, and other companies titles matter compared to the sales of my studio.

I'm not looking at one week either. I'm looking at a complete year where HD DVD has given me more profits than BD by about 10% and in the last 4 weeks HD DVD has taken over BD and given me those numbers for the year. Before then BD had a slight 5% edge.

I don't care about Europe or Australia. They have their own distribution arm. All I care about is North America.

I look at long term market research that tells me that HD DVD will overtake BD in sales in 2008. I look at the long term where MS is telling me in 2008 they will be updating all 360s to HD DVD internal drives. I look at the long term where the new 51GB TL disc is going to be released in 2008 on multiple titles. I look at Disney who was the winning vote for TL discs to be approved by the DVD Forum. I look at Disney testing the TL discs with their titles and preparing a 1Q 2008 HD DVD launch.

RockStrongo 12-23-07 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I don't think there has been a single firmware update on the UP5000 yet.

Nope, not yet. No support for DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD 5.1/7.1....supposedly it is coming soon (Jan/Feb), but no one is for sure yet.

Since it does decode TrueHD 2.0, im confident it will decode 5.1 soon. They rushed it to get it in stores before xmas. Why? I dont know, because almost no stores have them.

Gizmo 12-23-07 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Nope, not yet. No support for DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD 5.1/7.1....supposedly it is coming soon (Jan/Feb), but no one is for sure yet.

Since it does decode TrueHD 2.0, im confident it will decode 5.1 soon. They rushed it to get it in stores before xmas. Why? I dont know, because almost no stores have them.

I have yet to see the UP5000. I'd consider it if it was in the $500-$600 range, which I'm sure it will be in 2-3 months.

RockStrongo 12-23-07 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I have yet to see the UP5000. I'd consider it if it was in the $500-$600 range, which I'm sure it will be in 2-3 months.

Yeah, I bet it will be. I snagged the only one at my local BB this morning. I got there when it opened and saw it sitting on the counter. They had told my wife yesterday that they werent getting any in until next month. I think they got this one in on last nights truck and it was for their display. No one was around, so I grabbed it and took it to the cash register. ;)

I used the BB 10% off coupon and got it for $719 plus tax (plus I had some giftcards and a $5 reward zone coupon). Im selling my XA2 and Sony BDP-S300 to cover most of it (if not all).

Gizmo 12-23-07 05:34 PM

Woah, you got lucky! I love my XA1, but would gladly sell that and my PS3 for a UP5000 if I could. I could careless about it decoding certain audio formats as I don't plan on having a system of any kind any time soon living in an apartment.

RockStrongo 12-23-07 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Woah, you got lucky! I love my XA1, but would gladly sell that and my PS3 for a UP5000 if I could. I could careless about it decoding certain audio formats as I don't plan on having a system of any kind any time soon living in an apartment.

I love it so far.....I have not put a movie in that didnt play. Loads faster than the Sony and XA2 also. IMO, standard DVDs look IDENTICAL to the XA2 also.

Thumbs almost up from me....will be a full thumbs up when they support full TrueHD and DTS-HD.

Gizmo 12-23-07 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I love it so far.....I have not put a movie in that didnt play. Loads faster than the Sony and XA2 also. IMO, standard DVDs look IDENTICAL to the XA2 also.

Thumbs almost up from me....will be a full thumbs up when they support full TrueHD and DTS-HD.

Ugh. $599 and its mine.

Hammer99 12-23-07 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD

Here's more fun :lol:

Gizmo 12-23-07 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Hammer99

Yes, I am very much enjoying messing with Blu Boys over there. Its HILARIOUS.

Hammer99 12-23-07 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Yes, I am very much enjoying messing with Blu Boys over there. Its HILARIOUS.

You should've joined as Gizmojam! j/k :D

Gizmo 12-23-07 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Hammer99
You should've joined as Gizmojam! j/k :D

I didn't mean to use my usual name actually. I'm just having some fun over there. My Disney thread was made in regards to a Universal one. I was hoping to start a trend.

Hammer99 12-23-07 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I didn't mean to use my usual name actually. I'm just having some fun over there. My Disney thread was made in regards to a Universal one. I was hoping to start a trend.

I'd just be careful though... too easy to lose all credibility when you spread FUD (see: rdjam).

Gizmo 12-23-07 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Hammer99
I'd just be careful though... too easy to lose all credibility when you spread FUD (see: rdjam).

I don't care to much over there. Its impossible to have any discussion. But, news is posted much faster like it was on AVS back in the day. Anything negative is removed on AVS.

pricdews 12-23-07 07:11 PM

I thought this was a news thread, not a rumor thread? How about "Lotus" coming here to post his FUD himself?

Gizmo 12-23-07 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by pricdews
I thought this was a news thread, not a rumor thread? How about "Lotus" coming here to post his FUD himself?

As I stated "Just for Some Fun" at the top of it. News is slow, and speculation is fun. Do you even own an HD DVD player?


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