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Old 03-06-07, 02:56 PM
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Other titles for PS3 owners who haven't used their coupons yet (prices after rebate):

Superman Returns $13.95
Enemy of the State $13.95

Goodfellas $9.95
Terminator 2 $9.95
Full Metal Jacket $9.95
Lara Croft - Tomb Raider $9.95
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back $9.95
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14 now and counting.

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Holy crap, there are 11 Blu-ray titles in the top 100 at Amazon.
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Nice, I'll finally get some Fox titles.
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Originally Posted by Engel07
14 now and counting.
Now 17! Holy shit, HD DVD is taking one hell of an ass-whoopin'!
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I'm sure if Amazon ran 50% off of 50 titles on HD DVD, we'd start seeing those appear in the top 100.
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Best post ever! I hope the studios take notice of the huge sales spike going on at Amazon right now for Blu Ray. If you drop the prices to reasonable levels, sales will go through the roof (for both formats). There should be no more $39.95 MSRP titles period. $29.95 MSRP with a $20.00 selling price would be perfect.

From TheDVDwars.com

Top ten sales rank average: 35.8
Top 25 sales rank average: 89
Top 100 sales rank average: 1403.94
17 titles in top 100
60 titles in top 1000

I know there is a lot of controversy about how much these sales ranks really mean, but I don't think anyone can argue that these numbers are amazing.

Mr. Cinemea you are right HD DVD would see the same sales spike, but do you think this is a Sony/Fox promotion since nearly all of the titles are from them? I was really hoping to see Ladder 49 and Reign of Fire.
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By the way I have 10 Fox titles and Hitch in my basket right now. Just debating about how much money I want to spend... I'm at about $203 with the additional 10% off
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Indeed...amazing #. Just imagine if the prices were the same worldwide via dvdempire, deepdiscount, bestbuy, etc...

But why is Universal just sitting back and doing nothing about it? Why don't the counter-sale some of their stuff? Maybe they need another re-shuffle in the management again from last month change.
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just click the button! I already spent 3K in movies since January. Don't let me suffer alone. Just do it!

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By the way I have 10 Fox titles and Hitch in my basket right now. Just debating about how much money I want to spend... I'm at about $203 with the additional 10% off
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Yeah Universal. have a sale on your older catalog titles!
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Originally Posted by Bcolon
I hope the studios take notice of the huge sales spike going on at Amazon right now for Blu Ray. If you drop the prices to reasonable levels, sales will go through the roof (for both formats).
You do of course realize that by cutting the price to 50% of the original list, the studios are losing money on every single sale. They are quite literally giving the discs away at a loss in an obvious ploy to boost flagging sales numbers, for the sole purpose of being able to claim numerical superiority in the format war.

This is clearly a PR stunt, not a sustainable strategy for the long term.

Who do you think it's better to be, Sony selling 10,000 discs but losing $5 on each sold, or Universal selling 2,000 discs and making $5 on each?
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Well, then the same could be said for Toshiba pushing 5-7 free discs to boost flagging player sales.
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This promo could have been planned by Sony and Fox. Who knows. But those $19.99 prices on Fox's catalog titles should have been the price to begin with. I don't mind if new releases are priced at $39.99. There's dvds priced that high (WTC, MI3 2-discs), but catalog titles should be $29.99. I mean, Chain Reaction with a $39.99 listing?
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Originally Posted by Josh Z

Who do you think it's better to be, Sony selling 10,000 discs but losing $5 on each sold, or Universal selling 2,000 discs and making $5 on each?

Sony selling 10,000 discs.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
You do of course realize that by cutting the price to 50% of the original list, the studios are losing money on every single sale. They are quite literally giving the discs away at a loss in an obvious ploy to boost flagging sales numbers, for the sole purpose of being able to claim numerical superiority in the format war.

This is clearly a PR stunt, not a sustainable strategy for the long term.

Who do you think it's better to be, Sony selling 10,000 discs but losing $5 on each sold, or Universal selling 2,000 discs and making $5 on each?
Oh good lord, do you always have to be so negative? So would you be calling it a PR stunt if it was HD DVD on sale? I don't think so. Do you really believe Fox is losing money selling these titles at 19.95? 19.95 is the typical selling price for most Columbia, WB, Lions Gate, and Paramount titles at Amazon. The $14.00 Sony titles are probably breaking even.

Besides, isn't that the strategy Toshiba has imployed on the hardware side? Take a big loss to sell units and try to get large market penetration?
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Originally Posted by Bcolon
Oh good lord, do you always have to be so negative? So would you be calling it a PR stunt if it was HD DVD on sale? I don't think so. Do you really believe Fox is losing money selling these titles at 19.95? 19.95 is the typical selling price for most Columbia, WB, Lions Gate, and Paramount titles at Amazon. The $14.00 Sony titles are probably breaking even.

Besides, isn't that the strategy Toshiba has imployed on the hardware side? Take a big loss to sell units and try to get large market penetration?
There has been no loss on Toshiba hardware. That's been a cute little Blu-boy fabrication for a while.
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Originally Posted by Arpeggi
Sony selling 10,000 discs.
Exactly. At this point in thye game it is not about making money, but selling discs and hardware. They can make money in 2008 when everything is cheaper and there is only one viable format.
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Originally Posted by Bcolon
Exactly. At this point in thye game it is not about making money, but selling discs and hardware. They can make money in 2008 when everything is cheaper and there is only one viable format.


Do they give you a blu t-shirt with your membership to the cult?
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Do they give you a blu t-shirt with your membership to the cult?
Yes. And you are not invited... We also pay homage daily to the memories of Blitz and HDJosh.

Anyways... Here is my order:

1 "Hitch [Blu-ray]"
Vin Diesel; Blu-ray; $14.49

1 "Speed (Blu-Ray)"
Blu-ray; $19.97

1 "Flight of the Phoenix"
Blu-ray; $19.97

1 "Alien vs Predator [Blu-ray]"
Blu-ray; $19.97

1 "Courage Under Fire [Blu-ray]"
Blu-ray; $19.97

1 "Broken Arrow [Blu-ray]"
Blu-ray; $19.97

1 "Entrapment"
Blu-ray; $19.97

1 "Phone Booth [Blu-ray]"
Blu-ray; $19.97

1 "Planet of the Apes [Blu-ray]"
Blu-ray; $19.97
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Originally Posted by Arpeggi
Sony selling 10,000 discs.
They're already losing hundreds of dollars on every PS3 sold (not to mention the thousands upon thousands of unsold units lingering at retail), aren't selling standalone players at all, and now are using the discs as loss-leaders too. This is one hell of a scorched earth campaign they're waging. Victory at any cost, eh? At what point exactly do they "win" the war? Before or after they declare bankruptcy?

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Originally Posted by matome
Well, then the same could be said for Toshiba pushing 5-7 free discs to boost flagging player sales.
The freebie discs are a promotional stunt, yes, but are clearly advertised as such and don't misleadingly count toward the format's disc sales statistics.
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Originally Posted by Bcolon
Do you really believe Fox is losing money selling these titles at 19.95? 19.95 is the typical selling price for most Columbia, WB, Lions Gate, and Paramount titles at Amazon.
DVDs can be priced at $19.95 and make a profit due to economies of scale. Blu-ray is nowhere near that point. The development costs for starting the format won't be recouped for years yet. A Blu-ray sold for $19.95 right now is a Blu-ray sold at a loss to the studio.

Let's be perfectly blunt about it. This is a fire sale Amazon is having. "Everything must go."
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc


Do they give you a blu t-shirt with your membership to the cult?
Seriously though, that is the basic model used for years with the video game industry. Why is that so damn funny?

Can you provide a link that says Thoshibs is not (or was not) losing money on their hardware? I can't provide one from my side either, other than my remembering reading about it months ago. So I guess that means we are both talking out of our ass.

Wasn't the XA1 basicly the same machine as the A1 with only some very minor bells and whistles, but cost $300.00 more? I remember the consensus being the upgrade was not worth the extra money. To me that would indicate a better idea of what Toshiba neaded to sell these at to make a profit.
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Originally Posted by Bcolon

Can you provide a link that says Thoshibs is not (or was not) losing money on their hardware? I can't provide one from my side either, other than my remembering reading about it months ago. So I guess that means we are both talking out of our ass.
If i were hell bent on proving you wrong and had the spare time to wade through the endless sea of bullshit that is AVS, yes, I would have a link. I believe they said they could've sold the A1 at $299 or $399 and still make a profit.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
DVDs can be priced at $19.95 and make a profit due to economies of scale. Blu-ray is nowhere near that point. The development costs for starting the format won't be recouped for years yet. A Blu-ray sold for $19.95 right now is a Blu-ray sold at a loss to the studio.

Let's be perfectly blunt about it. This is a fire sale Amazon is having. "Everything must go."

Still don't buy it. WB, Sony, Paramount, and Lionsgate are all selling their titles, for both formats, at a loss from day one?


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