As has been said before, most of us just want the best quality hd recorded content. We are HD zealots.

Many of us side with hd-dvd right now because they are offering quality discs while BD has left somethings to be desired.

BD is beginning to become more consistent (IMO) and many of us will be supporting both depending on the titles that BD starts releasing (that we cannot get on hd-dvd). Mr. Cinema is a perfect example.

Right now, the war (if you can call it that) is shaping up to be a long one with both sides having a long life.

Exactly. There is a lot of trolling going on and a lot of really stupid claims are made simply because it will piss off the HD DVD people. I'm done with it. I listened to the same DS bashing by him in the video game forum and he turned out to be just as wrong as he is now. Anyone with nothing to add to the forum is on the ignore list. I will be more than happy to hear from Mr Cinema, Josh Z and others about their Blu-ray experiences. The quality gap is closing and in time I too may want to own both. There are very, very few HD DVD supporters that hate Blu-ray. We simply hate bullshit and there is too much of it being allowed in the HD forum. As far as I'm concerned all the BS rumors can go as well. I really don't want to here about what Fox or Disney may do in Jan of 07 now. There is no way any of them will decide anything until they see how December sales go. Anyone on AVS saying they know what will happen in Jan is either guessing or outright lying.

Are we going to have to go through a page of everyone's mission statements/stance in the format war again?

just curious.

It's amazing that Sony, Toshiba, and Samsung can come together for this yet, they couldn't come together to work in ending the format war.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4770

The different collaborations between these companies dumbfound me. Toshiba and Sony worked together with IBM on the Cell, but they can't figure out how to agree on a disc format.

Its ironic, but not necessarily odd.....these are huge corporations with smaller companies in it. I work for Fidelity Investments, but the systems company side. We have so many different companies inside our company that its hard to keep track. Each company has its own policies, procedures and budgets.

Agreed,

I worked for a student loan corp, who has been fighting it out, in the press, with a state loan service. They have been slinging mud at each other for years. Internally, we sent stuff back and forth and worked on projects with each other all the time. The public just doesn't know it. All they see and hear about is the two companies fighting through the press.

Is this what's supposed to replace Cable Card? If it's not, those companies are also working together on that. I remember reading something about it but don't recall the details.

I saw The Fifth Element on Blu-ray. I agreed with the reviewers, it looked like crap with all the dirt and image blemishes. The upconverted DVD on the HD DVD looked far better.

The amazement was that there was no quality control at SPHE or that noone thought that one of the first Blu-ray releases that was a videophile favorite would look so bad.

T5E is a bright film with a lot of SF effects. The BD looked WORSE than the superbit DVD, and certainly worse than the DVD upconverted. 12M is the best release that it ever had, superior to the DVD in every way. Compared to other HD DVDs it may not be as sharp, but that is compared to other HD DVDs, not the obviously inferior DVD versions. The point I and otheres were making was that the PQ as transfered to HD DVD may be in line with the directors and cinematography intent.

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Also, I'd like to remind everyone again to refraing from bashing the other format or even taking little cheapshots at it.
A genuine complaint about a format? Fine.
Constructive criticism? Fine.
Poking fun? No.
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namja
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*raises hand*

Serious question: what do we do when people complain and the mod a) does nothing, b) defends the instigator/troublemaker and c) criticizes those who complain as we've seen in the last day?

Just curious. And please note, I'm not being sarcastic.

If one of the OTHER mods could chime in, that'd be sweet.

Please direct all future inquiries via e-mail.

To answer your question ... assuming we're on the same page here, I'm gonna guess that your complaint is about joshd's aggressive assertions towards certain HD DVDs and their reviews. While they may be annoying, they are within the bounds of the forum. When people reply personally towards his posts, that is not allowed. This in no way implies that I am defending joshd. Only that personal responses are not allowed. Especially after Dead (one of the other moderators here) came in and asked people to reply to the topic and not the person.

Again, please direct all future inquiries via e-mail. Let's keep this thread about the discussion about HD DVD and BD. Thank you.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

*sigh*

in other news...

It looks like some Blockbusters will start carrying HD DVD's in store soon, depending on location.

...and Blu-Rays.

Can someone tell me why we don't have separate Blu-ray and HD DVD general discussion threads? Just put a big note at the top that says "This thread if for (HD DVD or BD) owners and supporters."

There are probably general questions each side can ask about their format in this thread rather than starting a whole new thread for just that one question. These formats have been out for several months now and all of us on here are well aware of their existence. So why can't we create separate discussion threads? Everytime we have a discussion in this VS thread, it gets closed or there are warnings thrown out left and right.

I already suggested that and it was shot down.

Doesn't seem to work very well there anyway. People come in and threadcrap in the other format's forum all the time. Plus the amount of "new members" there who only post crap or FUD on one format or the other is just laughable.

That's true.

I have absolutely no problem with BD owners like yourself or Mr Cinema or others even though I'm clearly more interested in HD DVD. I just wish there were more people who were honest about the quality and their position. I would pay attention to your opinion much more than I would so to the fanatics.

I absolutly think that is a great idea!! While I dont think it is necessary to have 2 separate deals forums I do think that 2 separate discussion forums is a great idea that would get rid of alot of the BS that takes place in these forums. I understand that I have made a couple responces at Josh that I shouldnt have and I apologize to the Mods for that. With that being said it would have never happened it there were 2 separate forums. Mark me down as a big yes for that idea.

PS...

That may actually be the case or it might not happen. I think it would be a great idea to try. If it doesnt work then just get rid of one and recombine the two back into a single thread. I do think that it is absolutly worth a try tho.

PS...

I think the threads are pretty self-explanatory. If you see something pertaining to Samsung/Panasonic/Sony/Pioneer, you can pretty much guess that's it's going to be BD-only. I don't see how labeling each thread will help. Eventually, the line gets blurred anyway.

This is probably the biggest issue.

Still, we'll discuss it with Geoff and let you know.

Okay, the bargain thread got a tad out of control with all the Superman talk. So I'm gonna begin it here.

Now, TrueHD is confirmed for the HD DVD 30-gig version but the BD-50 version is not getting this track, right?

If that's the case, then isn't Warners telling us they don't care about the extra space? I mean, wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity to place a TrueHD track on the disc?

Why doesn't Warners just put a DD+ track on there? Even if it turns out to be the same, it's a better marketing decision to show it has an advanced track. Another example is Unforgiven. The HD DVD had a DD+ track, and I think the BD version is 50gig, yet I think it only includes a DD track.

I do love the PCM tracks on BD discs, but Warners should have put identical audio tracks for Superman Returns on each disc. The sad part is they had plenty of room on the BD disc to do so.

I enjoy this, personally.

But I don't get too caught up in the silly "we're going to crush you" stuff.

I believe the reason they're not putting DD+ tracks on BDs is because it's an optional format for BD (it's a required format for HD-DVD). DD gives them better compatibility because the track would be compatible with all BD players connected to DD decoders (at least those that don't have trouble with 640kbps tracks).

Now, why they don't put both DD+ and DD tracks on the disc, I don't know. Maybe they are sonically the same, or so close that it doesn't matter. Josh Z does say in his reviews that they sound the same on each format.