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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Funny, thats exactly what all PSP users say about the DS selling so many units. DS came out first therefore it would obviously sell more units...blah blah blah. Just excuses. But if anyone wants to try and get data on this im sure most would be interested.
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The DS has consistently outsold the PSP by a strong margin in both the American and Japanese markets. The PSP isn't going to be obsolete because it offers different features than the DS. BD does not have that particular advantage.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
The DS has consistently outsold the PSP by a strong margin in both the American and Japanese markets. The PSP isn't going to be obsolete because it offers different features than the DS. BD does not have that particular advantage.
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Not really the same thing at all. The PSP has a screen capable of delivering almost DVD-level quality, and the DS does not. The PSP has hardware able to run programs that look as good as some lower and mid-level PS2 games. The DS only has the hardware to play games a little more powerful graphically than the N64. The PSP offers a PC connection, wi-fi internet browsing, and the ability to download/play music and videos. The DS has wifi for video games only. The DS has two screens, one of which is a touch screen, and a microphone. The PSP does not. I'd say that's a wide difference of features. HD DVD doesn't have Fox, Sony, or Disney. BD doesn't have Universal. But either side could end up having all of the studios. You cannot make the DS do what the PSP does and vice versa. BD and HD DVD are far more similar than the DS and the PSP.
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The DS vs PSP thing doesn't apply here. That is a case of consumers picking better games over better graphics pure and simple. Sony got their asses handed to them simply because they never could come up with enough solid games. The PSP was holding on better in the US on at least hardware sales, but the DS Lite has pretty much ended the war in this country as well.
HD DVD vs Blu-ray comes down to two very similar things fighting for the same market. One currently has a lower cost advantage and one currently has better support. Depending on how things shift that war can go either way over the next year. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
That's okay kvrdave, no offense taken. You just have to realize the situation this forum is currently in. If I were to bring up a point like how Sony and Disney titles all used lossless audio, it would fall on deaf ears, because people here are very visual-minded. They don't care about lossless audio (like I do), they just want the best picture. In fact, most would put extras (in SD no less) above audio.
If your budget is only $500 for a player, then pick up a PS3. Obviously, the other big problem is waiting until they are widely available. I won't be buying any units packaged with games, etc. and I won't be paying Ebay prices, so that will probably be at least until Summer '07. |
Originally Posted by darkside
The DS vs PSP thing doesn't apply here. That is a case of consumers picking better games over better graphics pure and simple. Sony got their asses handed to them simply because they never could come up with enough solid games. The PSP was holding on better in the US on at least hardware sales, but the DS Lite has pretty much ended the war in this country as well.
HD DVD vs Blu-ray comes down to two very similar things fighting for the same market. One currently has a lower cost advantage and one currently has better support. Depending on how things shift that war can go either way over the next year. |
Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Ok, a few things:
First, the BDA needs permission to sell prepackaged DVDs from the DVDforum. That is what QGJim was reffering to. The players play them, but they can't advertise and sell dvds without permission. Secondly, the "most of whom(CE companies) prefer BD" statement has very little weight, because they are not a majority of voters on the board. The majority of the DVD Forum voted AOD over Blu-Ray as their format of choice. Josh, my understanding is that MS used to handle all the encoding of VC-1 titles for WB, but that they now have their own dedicated group to carry this out in-house. Clearly MS would go HD DVD as their default option, while WB have no reason to follow the same pattern. |
Originally Posted by Burnt Thru
Josh, my understanding is that MS used to handle all the encoding of VC-1 titles for WB, but that they now have their own dedicated group to carry this out in-house. Clearly MS would go HD DVD as their default option, while WB have no reason to follow the same pattern.
Originally Posted by rdjam Now, am I correct in my recollection that the only way any one can curently encode VC1 for Bluray is to do what Warner is doing - that is, to encode VC1 for HD DVD and then use the MS conversion tool to repackage the HD DVD encode for Bluray? Is this correct?<hr>Amir's reply: Currently yes. |
Article from today's Metro newspaper
Sony's PR Gaffes are Funnier Than Ever Here’s the basic problem with Sony and their handling of the hype surrounding the PlayStation 3: They think they are infallible; they think they are beyond reproach because they’re king of the gaming console castle. Well, here’s something you should know, Sony: Every king eventually falls, and your reign is no different. Your crown is tarnished, and there are two warring factions ready to topple you. The reason I (and others) have been so focused on Sony and their apparent arrogance in the gaming world is because they continue, like clockwork, to make fools of themselves amongst their most loyal crowd — the hardcore gamers. Recently, Sony stock took a dip after reports came from the Tokyo Game Show that some PS3 units were overheating, thus signaling a potentially devastating problem with the console. In reality, it was all a big misunderstanding as TGS had no cool air being piped in and Sony’s kiosks weren’t designed with that in mind. Either way, despite acknowledging that some consoles did overheat and crash — of which there is pictorial and first-hand proof available online — Sony denied such an existence, thereby putting the likes of Baghdad Bob to shame. Oh, but it doesn’t stop there. Sony is banking on Blu-Ray by including it in the PS3 — which drove the price of the console to an almost unheard of buying price — but don’t tell that to a few execs who are now going around saying the future is in digital distribution, not optical discs. Say what Sony? You mean this forced format you are trying to push isn’t the future? Ridiculous comments aside, even PS3 advertising seems to be a huge victim of the Sony PR train wreck. Take their latest ads for the console that are just now starting to pop up in certain cities. They either show some vague reference to a console that the average person will have no clue what it means, or they actually have a melting clock in the ad — which, you know, is counter to the whole overheating bit that seemed to bother Sony shareholders. So what’s the solution? Sony needs to shut up. They need to stop acting like they can do and say whatever they want. What they need to do is let the PS3 speak for itself. It’s actually a wonderful system, capable of the best of the best. The problem is, gamers are focusing on the talk and not the games. |
From AVS.
There was a section on the Today Show this morning about HD-DVD. Apparently, there is a mobile semi truck traveling the nation promoting HD-DVD with a home theatre setup inside. They mentioned how HD-DVD is six times the resolution of SD DVD, how 20 million have HDTVs that aren’t utilizing them, and that HD-DVD was half the cost of Bluray. Nice to see some nationwide coverage. |
format war
I am new in this forum and like to know why peple can not settle for one format.
This war between blue-ray and hd-dvd is slowing things down. This war make me not intresting about this until they settle down on one format. It is all vhs vs. beta war flashback. i think the resolution for either format is enough. I also think this changes is getting to fast for me. The quality of the newest dvd is very good now. So I stick with dvd for now. I am going to wait until the format war is over, the (next format) players are better, price go down. I think the simple to go for the hd-dvd format. far much better than dvds. |
Not too big of a surprise. The Today Show is on NBC which is owned by Universal. I doubt you will see a fair shake given to Blu-Ray on that channel. Though, that was an interesting counter-attack to BD50.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
The Today Show is on NBC which is owned by Universal. I doubt you will see a fair shake given to Blu-Ray on that channel. Though, that was an interesting counter-attack to BD50.
I do doubt that it's a direct response to BD-50. That's way, way, way too tech-heady for The Today Show's demographic and really is pretty inconsequential to anyone but us tiny select home theater nuts. |
The HD DVD truck is in the NYC metro area and the Today show broadcasts out of here.
The BD conspiracy freaks really need to relax. |
I think if you want to see what Hi Def should look like, check out this screen shot that Warner has released from some of their upcoming titles - this one is from The Ant Bully - from a post on the Hi Def Forum.
http://www.hidef.com/attachments/new...-ant_bully.tif Warner's new site with LOTS more is at www.wbhidef.com |
Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I dunno, these media companies are so sprawling that one hand rarely knows what the left is doing, and I can't really see Universal coordinating an attack like this. It's possible but unlikely.
I do doubt that it's a direct response to BD-50. That's way, way, way too tech-heady for The Today Show's demographic and really is pretty inconsequential to anyone but us tiny select home theater nuts. Its not a counter to BD-50 at all....Lets see, what else happened today?? Just the biggest release on HD so far. Batman Begins Did anyone see if they mentioned it in the piece?? |
Originally Posted by Burnt Thru
Any player which playsback (and advertisises playback) of DVD needs to have the appropriate patents, which means clearance from the DVD Forum's members. This has clearly already been granted, so there's no reason to think it would be granted for hardware but not software.
Nope. BD was never voted on by the DVD Forum membership, for the simple reason that the BD founders wanted to keep a larger slice of the royalties pie to themselves. Even these days HD DVD motions are only carried because a number of BD companies honorably decide to not vote on these issues. Josh, my understanding is that MS used to handle all the encoding of VC-1 titles for WB, but that they now have their own dedicated group to carry this out in-house. Clearly MS would go HD DVD as their default option, while WB have no reason to follow the same pattern. |
Originally Posted by Burnt Thru
Josh, my understanding is that MS used to handle all the encoding of VC-1 titles for WB, but that they now have their own dedicated group to carry this out in-house. Clearly MS would go HD DVD as their default option, while WB have no reason to follow the same pattern.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
That's okay kvrdave, no offense taken. You just have to realize the situation this forum is currently in. If I were to bring up a point like how Sony and Disney titles all used lossless audio, it would fall on deaf ears, because people here are very visual-minded. They don't care about lossless audio (like I do), they just want the best picture. In fact, most would put extras (in SD no less) above audio.
So, lesser audio is actually a positive? How do you manage that kind of spin? And how can you say CD audio is wonderful, modern, lossless audio with a straight face? Once they put out the real stuff (IF!?:(), we'll talk about which of these disc formats is better. And Josh, really. It has always been cheaper to get good audio DACs in a player than in a receiver. Or, most DVD players don't actually decode the audio (unless you count extracting the stereo signal from Dolby for basic TV compatibility), making it a moot point on the low end. My DVDp (MSRP $1k) trounces my receiver (MSRP $1500). And I don't mean it's slightly better and I can hear the cymbals and flute a little cleaner. I mean it trounces the receiver. And that's hardly an unusual example. Most $500 CD players (in the last decade, I don't mean when it was bleeding edge) have beat every receiver ever put out. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? |
Originally Posted by Spiky
We're not all devoid of audio concerns.
So, lesser audio is actually a positive? How do you manage that kind of spin? And how can you say CD audio is wonderful, modern, lossless audio with a straight face? Once they put out the real stuff (IF!?:(), we'll talk about which of these disc formats is better. And Josh, really. It has always been cheaper to get good audio DACs in a player than in a receiver. Or, most DVD players don't actually decode the audio (unless you count extracting the stereo signal from Dolby for basic TV compatibility), making it a moot point on the low end. My DVDp (MSRP $1k) trounces my receiver (MSRP $1500). And I don't mean it's slightly better and I can hear the cymbals and flute a little cleaner. I mean it trounces the receiver. And that's hardly an unusual example. Most $500 CD players (in the last decade, I don't mean when it was bleeding edge) have beat every receiver ever put out. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
No, I didn't say that at all. All I said is that most of you would rather have extras on the disc...Absolutely, but then there would be complaints to no end about how is a substandard disc even though the audio was superior. You can't please people who don't want to be pleased.
First off, I would LOVE lossless sound, but thats up to the studios to decide whether or not to include it. On both formats, some releases have it and some do not. Most of us want it all. We want the kitchen sink and believe that both formats can handle it. If it means multiple discs, then so be it. That said, there is NO reason to leave the extras off. Just because I say this, does not mean that I would substitue extras for lossless audio. So, please do not generalize like that. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
From AVS.
Anyone see this? Nice to see some nationwide coverage. Here is the only pic that has surfaced: HD-dvd semi truck |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
No, I didn't say that at all. All I said is that most of you would rather have extras on the disc. We do get a nice 640kbps DD stream (not sure what the DD+ stream is on HD DVD)
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
Believe it's 640kbps for Warner and 1.5Mbps for Universal. Dunno about Paramount.
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