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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
So I can say PS3 sucks because Ive played it a few times? Should I go on how the Wii will be super awesome since Ive played that as well? How can people even post in a HD area and act like they are experts when they don't even own the machine to play the format they support? But I gues if Sony decided to come out with a toilet that played movies from inside the bowl there would be some sort of 'Sony following'.
The only thing BR has done correctly is not releasing stupid Combo discs. What a waste of money. How very silly. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
You should be thanking Blu-Ray. And as much as this "more expensive to manufacture" crap gets slung around, you think it would have died by now. If they are so much more expensive to manufacture, why are BD releases cheaper than HD DVD? Why is Superman Returns $5 cheaper on the "getting horrible yeilds" BD50?
Originally Posted by joshd2012
If 95% of releases are on BD50, and use that additional space, then 95% of releases will never be on HD DVD in their full capacity.
Originally Posted by joshd2012
If it becomes the industry norm, then you will see studios cutting back on extras and soundtracks to release on HD DVD, making them obsolete. Who is going to pay the same price or more for less content?
Originally Posted by joshd2012
Correct. We have all we need for high definition movies - on both sides. So if you agree with that, then the only other two things are price and studio support. Pricing will be the same come November 17th, which leaves studio support - and we all know who wins that battle. So why support HD DVD at all?
Studio support is ultimately meaningless. If one of the exclusive studios thinks there's money to be made on the other format, they'll support both or possibly even switch. It's not as if Fox and Disney never released on DVD after the disaster of Divx. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Yeah...but the funny thing is the "average joe's" tend to love the idea. Oddly enough, it's a selling point for HD DVD because BD can't do it. If they'd just drop the prices, I really could care less. I'd be fine with it.
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PS3 will apparently become the savior of BluRay...Still not sureon that one. With 400k launched in America, sure, that DOES put a lot of 'BluRay' players out on the market...but how many people will actually use it for more then 1 or 2 movies?
After shelling out $500 (cheapest one) for a PS3, another $40 or so in taxs, another $120 in 2 games, another $40-50 in an extra controller...lets go out and buy a $30 copy of Click and a $30 copy of The Break Up. C'mon. Its a novelty much like UMDs. Sony forcing a format on you. But if the PS3 launch is anything like the PSP launch (crap for games) BluRay movies MAY see a jump in sales. They have to protect that $500-$800 investment and do something with it. Of course how many people actually own HDTVs or even know what HDMI is. |
Gizmo,
You can't get The Break-Up on BD. ;) SCORE FOR HD DVD!!!!!!!11111!!!!!11!!!!! |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
oooh...and which did you go with??
And a quick little kudos to Amazon... I ordered the player last week sometime - but somehow one of my old shipping addresses attached to the order and I didn't notice it. I didn't notice it until the player was delivered 1500 miles away... Called Amazon last Friday and they immediately refunded my card and placed a new order for me and they paid for next day delivery. My screw up, but Amazon made it all good. |
Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
You're confusing price with cost. If Sony's churning out most of the Blu-ray discs and if Sony's willing to take a loss because of poor yields in the short term, it doesn't affect Warner's bottom line. It could also be the case that Warner is paying some measure more but isn't adjusting the MSRP to compensate. You aren't in any more of a position to know than any of the rest of us, so stop speaking in absolutes.
...but you just said most releases won't need anywhere near that capacity. How many of those theoretical BD-50s would you estimate have extras that can't be placed on a second disc? I haven't seen anyone, anywhere, predict that a significant percentage of Blu-ray releases will be on BD-50s in the next couple of years. However many thousands of Blu-ray owners are doing that right now! You're assuming that the players are otherwise equal in every other way. Do you know that the PS3's Blu-ray capability is on par with the dedicated HD DVD players? If you wanted to buy a PS3 next month, would you be able to just walk in a store and grab one off the shelf? When even lower priced HD DVD players are available, are you going to point to another release date when something from the Blu-ray camp may or may not be in stores? Studio support is ultimately meaningless. If one of the exclusive studios thinks there's money to be made on the other format, they'll support both or possibly even switch. It's not as if Fox and Disney never released on DVD after the disaster of Divx. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Gizmo,
You can't get The Break-Up on BD. ;) SCORE FOR HD DVD!!!!!!!11111!!!!!11!!!!! Out of curiousity Josh, if LionsGate announced the produce for both HD-DVD and BluRay tomorrow (or something soon as the rumors go on) what kind of response would you give? |
And someone 1500 miles away is a new HD DVD owner. ;)
SCORE AGAIN FOR HD DVD!!!!!!!11111!!!!!11!!!!! Gizmo, Talladega is coming with the PS3 for free. Yes. That's right. The VIDEO GAME SYSTEM is giving you a movie...for free. I'm sure all those people who bought a video game system to play video games are going to be thrilled. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
Indeed, it is worthless for movies. I stand by that statement. And my collection of Blu-Ray titles confirms that. These titles didn't need any extra storage space, and with exception for any super-length movie, no other film does either.
Originally Posted by highdefdigest
Sony once again disappoints with the extras.
... No, there aren't very many extras on this first Blu-ray release of 'T2,' ... unfortunately space limitations on Blu-ray mean most of the previous set's goodies have been trimmed. ... the actual extras on this disc have been quite streamlined from the Limited Edition DVD ...
Originally Posted by joshd2012
The Warner releases, except for the first wave, are bit-for-bit identical to their HD DVD counterparts.
studios that release on both formats will do so to the lowest common denominator, meaning that they will restrict releases to use only 25GB so they can easily fit on both discs.
Originally Posted by joshd2012
Now that BD50 is available, they no longer have to do that (it will now be restricted to 30GB).
Originally Posted by joshd2012
If they are so much more expensive to manufacture, why are BD releases cheaper than HD DVD? Why is Superman Returns $5 cheaper on the "getting horrible yeilds" BD50?
If BD costs more to manufacture than HD DVD and you couple it with lower retail prices-- that spells disaster for Blu-ray for sure. Someone is eating the difference. Even Sony admits that BD costs more to manufacture:
Originally Posted by blu-raydisc.com
Blu-ray Disc is developed to offer the best long-term profitability model for content providers. Although it might require a nominal investment in advance, it provides greater and longer-term profit potential. This is because the format is designed to last for a period of at least 10 to 15 years. Due to its enormous storage capacity, short-erm replacement of the technology is unnecessary, unlike other format proposals that might require less investment in advance, but higher investments in the long term due to the replacement of the technology when it becomes outdated
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Who is going to pay the same price or more for less content?
Also anyone who buys an MPEG-2 encoded BD disc will not only get less content, but inferior PQ. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
And someone 1500 miles away is a new HD DVD owner. ;)
SCORE AGAIN FOR HD DVD!!!!!!!11111!!!!!11!!!!! Gizmo, Talladega is coming with the PS3 for free. Yes. That's right. The VIDEO GAME SYSTEM is giving you a movie...for free. I'm sure all those people who bought a video game system to play video games are going to be thrilled. I don't blame Sony...it worked with the PSP. UMDs sold VERY wellthe first few months due to the lack of good or original titles. Most were ports of PS1 games. I too purchased a few UMDs just so I didn't feel like I wasted $250 on a 'game' system. Thank god for emulators! Remember,The 360 HD-DVD addon comes with King Kong for free as well...but that is actually a HD-DVD player that you are not REQUIRED to buy. My mian concern over the add-on is if King Kong will include an actual case or just be inside some sort of stupid paper one. Boy would that piss me off. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Out of curiousity Josh, if LionsGate announced the produce for both HD-DVD and BluRay tomorrow (or something soon as the rumors go on) what kind of response would you give?
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Wouldn't bother me. Doesn't affect my purchases.
Digital, are you for sure going to that 'party' with Amir and Robert this week? |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
And they the idea that Blu-Ray costs more to produce is still applied as fact?
Originally Posted by joshd2012
Again with the silliness? Are you a corporate exec for Disney, Lionsgate, or Fox? If I can't say that Blu-Ray costs no more than HD DVD, then you sure as hell can't say studios will switch on the fly like that.
Saying that a studio will follow the money is common sense. How you're applying that to your assumption that BD replication costs the same/less/whatever as HD DVD, I have no idea. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Yes...We know. But thats a big BluRay supporter jumping ship. You must have an opinion on that. Or should we just wait for the annoucement?
Digital, are you for sure going to that 'party' with Amir and Robert this week? Oh...and lest some people question why I can't stand BD, it's statements like this made by its reps that don't help. As long as the format war persists consumers are going to get less choice. Once we only have one format far more consumers will jump in and everyone will benefit. Given Blu-ray's vastly stronger support from the industry, any BD supporter adding support for HD-DVD is only prolonging the war and increasing the casualty count. |
Originally Posted by awmurray
Don't need any more space? Four of six of your Blu-ray titles (67%) have a lack of extras and are blasted for PQ problems:
Yes, it is a good thing Warner already had HD DVD/VC-1 encodes to put on those Blu-ray discs. We agree, BD25 is currently the limiting factor (that's why they need BD50 like 3 months ago). You can't have it both ways.... either BD50 is important and useful for movies or not. You said before it had no advantage and now studios "will no longer have to [limit based on BD25]". I don't know, but one reason could be that HD DVDs outsell Blu-ray by 10:1. Another reason may be that the Blu-ray discs lack most (or all) special features while their HD DVD counterparts generally include them all (sometimes the HD DVD versions have exclusive HD features like IME which can't be done on the Samsung Blu-ray player). Supply and demand suggests that Blu-ray discs should be cheaper. If BD costs more to manufacture than HD DVD and you couple it with lower retail prices-- that spells disaster for Blu-ray for sure. Someone is eating the difference. Even Sony admits that BD costs more to manufacture: Also anyone who buys an MPEG-2 encoded BD disc will not only get less content, but inferior PQ. |
Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
No. But I don't think you can pick and choose which unsubstantiated rumors to believe and which ones to disregard based purely on how they fit your argument.
I've already pointed to an analogous situation. When Divx floundered, Disney and Fox released on DVD. If Blu-ray flounders, it's hardly out of the realm of possibility that the currently Blu-ray-exclusive studios could release on HD DVD. Universal could support Blu-ray or switch to that format entirely by that same token. Saying that a studio will follow the money is common sense. How you're applying that to your assumption that BD replication costs the same/less/whatever as HD DVD, I have no idea. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
Higher speed: HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth from 165MHz (4.95 gigabits per second) to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future high definition display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.
Deep Color: HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification. * Lets HDTVs and other displays go from million of colors to billions of colors. * Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors. * Enables increased contrast ratio * Can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white * At 30-bit pixel depth, a four times improvement would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be eight times or more. Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 removes all limits on color selection * Next-generation “xvYCC” color space supports 1.8 times as many colors as existing HDTV signals * Lets HDTVs display colors more accurately * Enables displays with natural, vivid colors New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option. Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates an automatic video/audio synching capability that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy. New lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby Digital and DTS), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new, lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD. I input into a projector, so none of that will matter to me. I may go with a different set up at some point with a different receiver, but those first receivers will be stupid expensive. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
That is a big 'if'. It is more likely that both formats will be successful. What say you then?
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
That is a big 'if'. It is more likely that both formats will be successful. What say you then?
Originally Posted by joshd2012
Its a good thing that HD DVD had a Blu-Ray/VC-1 encode for Corpse Bride to put on that HD DVD disc.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
So its just a number until Toshiba releases it, then its great? What's the definition of a fanboy again?
Correct. We have all we need for high definition movies - on both sides. So if you agree with that, then the only other two things are price and studio support. Pricing will be the same come November 17th, which leaves studio support - and we all know who wins that battle. So why support HD DVD at all? |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
The only thing BR has done correctly is not releasing stupid Combo discs. What a waste of money.
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All the BD players released or scheduled for release playback DVDs, so that seems unlikely. Particularly since "the DVD forum" is just a talking shop for the CE companines (most of whom prefer BD).
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
That's not how the encoder works. The Blu-ray uses an HD DVD encode; it's just that the Blu-ray was released a couple weeks earlier.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Yes...We know. But thats a big BluRay supporter jumping ship. You must have an opinion on that. Or should we just wait for the annoucement?
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