HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray Disc vs. Everything Else: Round 4
10-26-06 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by awmurray
Of course no amount of arguing can ever change Josh's position. I mean, he's Blu to the core (not that there's anything wrong with that). He's one of the only people I know of who has a Blu-ray movie collection without a player.
10-26-06 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
That's fine. The Fifth Element master was approved by Luc Besson, and so the movie looked exactly as it should on Blu-Ray. I like your logic.
I found the film's visual style cliched, so I guess this transfer's slightly overpumped colors and contrasted image are appropriate. Colors are smooth and free of chroma noise, but sometimes the heavy use of filters leaves the transfer artificial in appearance. Fleshtones often look a bit too orange (especially daylight scenes), but I guess the MTV generation likes this kind of stuff nowadays? Whites can sometimes blow out a bit, but again it appears intentional. The image as a result is somewhat soft, but overall detail is still very good. The transfer boasts considerable depth throughout, with even darker interiors appearing at least somewhat three dimensional. And as expected with a new release, the print is in pristine shape with no blemishes or other anomalies to report."
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/waistdeep.html
10-26-06 | 12:44 PM
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Hey joshd90210..
While you're at it, would you care to comment on some of the OTHER differences between "identical" HD DVD and Bluray releases?
Such as this one re: MI3....?
So while some releases on Bluray can equal what is hum-drum everyday excellence on HD DVD, HD DVD still has the overall advantage.
While you're at it, would you care to comment on some of the OTHER differences between "identical" HD DVD and Bluray releases?
Such as this one re: MI3....?
Originally Posted by Review of MI3 on both formats
HD Bonus Content: Any Exclusive Goodies in There?
Now, here's the only aspect of the 'Mission: Impossible III' experience where the HD DVD easily outshines its Blu-ray counterpart. Included is a picture-in-picture interactive commentary, again anchored by filmmaker J.J. Abrams and Tom Cruise. (Due to what Paramount says was a lack of a "fully-functioning authoring toolset" for the Blu-ray format's BD-J Java environment, it wasn't possible to include the feature on the Blu-ray release in time for 'M:I III's home video launch date.)
That's both good news and bad news for Blu-ray. The bad news is, of course, that Blu-ray users miss out.
Now, here's the only aspect of the 'Mission: Impossible III' experience where the HD DVD easily outshines its Blu-ray counterpart. Included is a picture-in-picture interactive commentary, again anchored by filmmaker J.J. Abrams and Tom Cruise. (Due to what Paramount says was a lack of a "fully-functioning authoring toolset" for the Blu-ray format's BD-J Java environment, it wasn't possible to include the feature on the Blu-ray release in time for 'M:I III's home video launch date.)
That's both good news and bad news for Blu-ray. The bad news is, of course, that Blu-ray users miss out.
10-26-06 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
That's fine. The Fifth Element master was approved by Luc Besson, and so the movie looked exactly as it should on Blu-Ray. I like your logic.
The fact that The Fifth Element got what is by all accounts a shitty transfer is a different story entirely.
10-26-06 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HiFiLux
Hey joshd90210..
nice.
While you're at it, would you care to comment on some of the OTHER differences between "identical" HD DVD and Bluray releases?
Such as this one re: MI3....?
So while some releases on Bluray can equal what is hum-drum everyday excellence on HD DVD, HD DVD still has the overall advantage.
Such as this one re: MI3....?
So while some releases on Bluray can equal what is hum-drum everyday excellence on HD DVD, HD DVD still has the overall advantage.
10-26-06 | 12:49 PM
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From: Blu-Ray: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Petition
Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
What was acceptable in the late '90s (or whenever) is not up to today's standards.
10-26-06 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
The only director who fits that comment is George Lucas, and everyone knows how fans feel about his updates to meet "today's standards".
10-26-06 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Not surprising...I wonder how bluray josh tries to spin this??
10-26-06 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I have no idea what you're arguing, but it has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm talking about the state of telecine technology and transfer standards, not re-editing or CGI manipulation.
10-26-06 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
A director's vision of what his movie should look like doesn't change just because technology does.
10-26-06 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
If the director thought that is what his film should look like in the 90's, why should that change 10 years later? A director's vision of what his movie should look like doesn't change just because technology does.
Transfer technology is always improving -- something that looked gorgeous on laserdisc in the early 1990s can look mediocre on DVD. And something that looked gorgeous on DVD in the late 1990s can look mediocre on HD/BD. That doesn't have to impact the 'directors intent' or the purity of the film presentation.
It's apples and oranges. Hell, it's apples and airplanes.
10-26-06 | 01:00 PM
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And more Sony News:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102600129.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...102600129.html
Sony's Profit Plunges 94% 2Q; PS3 losses
Excerpts from Wahington Post link noted below:
TOKYO -- Sony's profit plunged 94 percent for the July-September quarter as a global battery recall and red ink in its video-game business hurt the Japanese electronics and entertainment company.
Sony Corp.'s group net profit for the fiscal second quarter totaled 1.7 billion yen ($14 million), dwindling from 28.5 billion yen the same period the previous year, the Tokyo-based manufacturer said Thursday.
An extra cost of 51 billion yen ($429 million) related to a global recall of 9.6 million Sony laptop batteries was a major factor behind the sharp drop in profit.
Sony reported a 43.5 billion yen ($366 million) operating loss in its gaming division because of charges related to the preparation for the next-generation PlayStation 3 console, set to go on sale in the U.S. and Japan next month.
Sony said last month the machine's launch in Europe will be delayed until March next year because of mass production problems in a video technology called Blu-ray disk that the machine supports.
The company has also reduced the price in Japan for the much hyped PS3 by about 20 percent in an effort to win buyers _ a move that's likely to reduce sales revenue because initial shipments are expected to be limited and sell out.
Sony kept unchanged Thursday its plan to ship 6 million PS3 machines in the fiscal year through March 2007. Research and development costs for the PS3 eroded profitability in the game unit, the company said in a statement.
Excerpts from Wahington Post link noted below:
TOKYO -- Sony's profit plunged 94 percent for the July-September quarter as a global battery recall and red ink in its video-game business hurt the Japanese electronics and entertainment company.
Sony Corp.'s group net profit for the fiscal second quarter totaled 1.7 billion yen ($14 million), dwindling from 28.5 billion yen the same period the previous year, the Tokyo-based manufacturer said Thursday.
An extra cost of 51 billion yen ($429 million) related to a global recall of 9.6 million Sony laptop batteries was a major factor behind the sharp drop in profit.
Sony reported a 43.5 billion yen ($366 million) operating loss in its gaming division because of charges related to the preparation for the next-generation PlayStation 3 console, set to go on sale in the U.S. and Japan next month.
Sony said last month the machine's launch in Europe will be delayed until March next year because of mass production problems in a video technology called Blu-ray disk that the machine supports.
The company has also reduced the price in Japan for the much hyped PS3 by about 20 percent in an effort to win buyers _ a move that's likely to reduce sales revenue because initial shipments are expected to be limited and sell out.
Sony kept unchanged Thursday its plan to ship 6 million PS3 machines in the fiscal year through March 2007. Research and development costs for the PS3 eroded profitability in the game unit, the company said in a statement.
10-26-06 | 01:01 PM
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I'm not saying it isn't a crappy transfer (it very well may be... I'd like to see a review from someone other than on a Sammy), its all a matter of opinion until Luc Besson says it sucks, then it is a fact.
10-26-06 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
The drives are out there is huge quantities and variety. Is there even an HD DVD drive out there to purchase?
Its either lie about something or delay it.
10-26-06 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Thats not the point....Sony lied. Par for the course with them though.
Its either lie about something or delay it.
Its either lie about something or delay it.
10-26-06 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
I'm not saying it isn't a crappy transfer (it very well may be... I'd like to see a review from someone other than on a Sammy), its all a matter of opinion until Luc Besson says it sucks, then it is a fact.
10-26-06 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
its all a matter of opinion until Luc Besson says it sucks, then it is a fact.
10-26-06 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Sounds like another company I know... called Toshiba.
10-26-06 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Thats not the point....Sony lied. Par for the course with them though.
Its either lie about something or delay it.
Its either lie about something or delay it.
Josh,
The reality is that while HD DVD may have only 1 real player on the market, even with it's faults there was never a problem with the AQ/PQ that you so righteously defend BD for (not) having.
10-26-06 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
I'm not saying it isn't a crappy transfer (it very well may be... I'd like to see a review from someone other than on a Sammy), its all a matter of opinion until Luc Besson says it sucks, then it is a fact.
But you're willing to say that Waist Deep is "downright awful"?
At least you're not attempting to hide your bias. Gotta appreciate that.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
So, please link us the admitted lies from Toshiba? Also, please link us the numerous delays from Toshiba.
Do you know when HD DVD was initially supposed to launch?
Do you know why Toshiba criticized 25GB/layer?
Do you know why HD DVD started as a red laser based format?
10-26-06 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
You're kidding me, right?
Do you know when HD DVD was initially supposed to launch?
Do you know why Toshiba criticized 25GB/layer?
Do you know why HD DVD started as a red laser based format?
Do you know when HD DVD was initially supposed to launch?
Do you know why Toshiba criticized 25GB/layer?
Do you know why HD DVD started as a red laser based format?
Please by all means, post links for each of the above things you said.
10-26-06 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Josh,
The reality is that while HD DVD may have only 1 real player on the market, even with it's faults there was never a problem with the AQ/PQ that you so righteously defend BD for (not) having.
The reality is that while HD DVD may have only 1 real player on the market, even with it's faults there was never a problem with the AQ/PQ that you so righteously defend BD for (not) having.
Not really surprising. If you run out of ammo, you go pick up the bullets and shoot them again.
10-26-06 | 01:09 PM
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BTW Josh....you never told us what TV you have....are you browsing the net for one that has tv speakers that can handle uncompressed audio and make it sound amazing!!!
10-26-06 | 01:10 PM
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Both formats owe a great deal to the competition between HD DVD and Blu-ray, and they'd both would be much, much worse off without it.
I could be misremembering, but I think by the time HD DVD was dubbed "HD-DVD" (with the dash), it was already a blue-laser format. The red-laser was scrapped when it had that other acronym...I can't remember what it was off the top of my head, but it had three letters.
I could be misremembering, but I think by the time HD DVD was dubbed "HD-DVD" (with the dash), it was already a blue-laser format. The red-laser was scrapped when it had that other acronym...I can't remember what it was off the top of my head, but it had three letters.