HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray Disc vs. Everything Else: Round 4
10-22-06 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I believe the Wii will also load discs like that. I have a slot loader in my car, as well, but I only use CD-Rs in it since I have my ipod hooked up.
Personally, I wouldn't use a video game system to play movies no matter what kind of loader it had, but that's just me.
Personally, I wouldn't use a video game system to play movies no matter what kind of loader it had, but that's just me.
Regardless scratches do not affect BR discs anyway...correct?
10-22-06 | 11:46 PM
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If they use the Durabis II, it may not affect them. Of course, the problem with scratches is usually not that it's damaging information on the disc, but rather that the laser won't be able to read through the scratch.
10-23-06 | 12:14 AM
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The scratches are usually because of driving not because of the CD player. All the bumps and things on the road will cause a little bit of jarring in the player.
10-23-06 | 07:31 AM
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First, the PS3 is very capable of handling 1080p60. That is why some launch titles like Virtua Tennis, Marvel Aliance, and Ridge Racer will all be 1080p60.
Second, the slimmed down version of Taledega Nights does kinda suck, but makes perfect business sense.
Third, all Blu-ray discs have a required hard coating. While not Durabis II, it is similar and prevents scratches and fingerprints.
And finally, Lite-On is bidding for HPs Blu-ray drive production:
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20061020A6027.html
Second, the slimmed down version of Taledega Nights does kinda suck, but makes perfect business sense.
Third, all Blu-ray discs have a required hard coating. While not Durabis II, it is similar and prevents scratches and fingerprints.
And finally, Lite-On is bidding for HPs Blu-ray drive production:
With Hewlett-Packard (HP) deciding to adopt the Blu-ray Disc (BD) format for its optical disc drives (ODD), Lite-On IT is actively competing for such orders, according to industry sources.
HP already produces PC-use HD DVD drives, with Toshiba producing the internal drives and Lite-On IT producing an external HD DVD-ROM drive (HD100), the sources indicated. For HP's planned OEM production of BD drives, Lite-On IT will compete for the orders with South Korean and Japanese makers, the sources said. Unlike its competitors though, Lite-On does not sell own-brand products in the international market and stands a good chance of being selected by HP, the sources pointed out.
Later this quarter, Lite-On IT will start volume production of BD drives for other clients, according to general manager Michael Gong. Apart from the high price price, the adoption for use in game consoles, such as the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, will also influence the market demand for BD and HD DVD drives, Gong pointed out.
HP already produces PC-use HD DVD drives, with Toshiba producing the internal drives and Lite-On IT producing an external HD DVD-ROM drive (HD100), the sources indicated. For HP's planned OEM production of BD drives, Lite-On IT will compete for the orders with South Korean and Japanese makers, the sources said. Unlike its competitors though, Lite-On does not sell own-brand products in the international market and stands a good chance of being selected by HP, the sources pointed out.
Later this quarter, Lite-On IT will start volume production of BD drives for other clients, according to general manager Michael Gong. Apart from the high price price, the adoption for use in game consoles, such as the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, will also influence the market demand for BD and HD DVD drives, Gong pointed out.
10-23-06 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Spiky
If your slot-loader damages discs, there is something wrong with it.
10-23-06 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Second, the slimmed down version of Taledega Nights does kinda suck, but makes perfect business sense.
I would think showing ALL that BD is capable of would be the best business decision. Not to mention having to create an alternate production run. It must be the disc cost.
Providing a slimmed down theatrical version without extras and giving customers composite cables is quite ridiculous. No business sense.
If the 360 version of Kong is slimmed down, then I will say the same thing.
10-23-06 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Providing a slimmed down theatrical version without extras and giving customers composite cables is quite ridiculous. No business sense.
If the 360 version of Kong is slimmed down, then I will say the same thing.
If the 360 version of Kong is slimmed down, then I will say the same thing.
In Microsoft's case, anyone picking up the drive is already interested in HD DVD, so there's not that same drive to say "lookit all the neat stuff our format can do!" I'm not saying that including Kong is in any way a bad idea, but I think Microsoft could've gotten away with baiting potential customers with a less impressive disc. Kong does have the advantage of completely selling people on the new format, of course, and it's a strong selling point from a marketing perspective.
Sony needs to impress its userbase if the PS3 is going to be a Trojan horse for Blu-ray, and providing an experience that (out of the box) is at best on-par with DVD and at worst lags behind ain't it.
10-23-06 | 08:55 AM
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Not to get too off-topic, but Cjplay has confirmed hitting the bandwidth limitation on many titles he has worked on (more so than the space limitations), which makes me question if branching will work.
Back on topic, has anyone found any other reviews? Monday was the day they were supposed to release all the reviews for this title.
Back on topic, has anyone found any other reviews? Monday was the day they were supposed to release all the reviews for this title.
10-23-06 | 08:56 AM
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I'd argue that Microsoft's approach makes more sense for Sony and that Sony's approach makes sense...well, could make sense...for Microsoft.
In Microsoft's case, anyone picking up the drive is already interested in HD DVD, so there's not that same drive to say "lookit all the neat stuff our format can do!" I'm not saying that including Kong is in any way a bad idea, but I think Microsoft could've gotten away with baiting potential customers with a less impressive disc. Kong does have the advantage of completely selling people on the new format, of course, and it's a strong selling point from a marketing perspective.
Sony needs to impress its userbase if the PS3 is going to be a Trojan horse for Blu-ray, and providing an experience that (out of the box) is at best on-par with DVD and at worst lags behind ain't it.
In Microsoft's case, anyone picking up the drive is already interested in HD DVD, so there's not that same drive to say "lookit all the neat stuff our format can do!" I'm not saying that including Kong is in any way a bad idea, but I think Microsoft could've gotten away with baiting potential customers with a less impressive disc. Kong does have the advantage of completely selling people on the new format, of course, and it's a strong selling point from a marketing perspective.
Sony needs to impress its userbase if the PS3 is going to be a Trojan horse for Blu-ray, and providing an experience that (out of the box) is at best on-par with DVD and at worst lags behind ain't it.
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10-23-06 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Second, the slimmed down version of Taledega Nights does kinda suck, but makes perfect business sense.
Third, all Blu-ray discs have a required hard coating. While not Durabis II, it is similar and prevents scratches and fingerprints.
10-23-06 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Second shipment will be December 4th. The first shipment will leave October 25th, as prevously scheduled.
Sony's BDP-S1 Blu-ray disc player has been delayed from its October 25 launch date, according to a Sony spokesperson, because of a software problem inside the hardware of the unit.
"This is a specific software function that resides in the hardware," the spokesperson said, stating that the delay has nothing to do with production of the Blu-ray laser diode, which has plagued production of Sony's PlayStation 3 as well as Blu-ray products from other manufacturers. The problem is "specifically related to the functionality of the unit," the spokesperson said.
While the spokesperson would not give an exact date for when the unit will be shipping to retailers, SonyStyle.com (another unit of Sony Corp.) has listed the unit as pushed back to on or about December 4, 2006.
"This is a specific software function that resides in the hardware," the spokesperson said, stating that the delay has nothing to do with production of the Blu-ray laser diode, which has plagued production of Sony's PlayStation 3 as well as Blu-ray products from other manufacturers. The problem is "specifically related to the functionality of the unit," the spokesperson said.
While the spokesperson would not give an exact date for when the unit will be shipping to retailers, SonyStyle.com (another unit of Sony Corp.) has listed the unit as pushed back to on or about December 4, 2006.
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10-23-06 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Yeah, when I posted that, it was the current word from SonyStyle. A day later, they changed to the delay. Sucks. Glad I didn't wait. 
10-23-06 | 11:46 AM
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Ok, I was thinking about this, and it makes sense why to give away a stripped down version of the movie with the PS3. As someone mentioned, if they gave the full disc away for free, some would be tempted to Ebay the disc. By providing a stripped down version, they will be less likely to try and get rid of the disc, and more likely to watch it. It still amazes me that studios will release a rated and unrated version on the same day, and that people will actually buy the rated version with less features, but I am guessing that Sony doing this will minimize the amount of swapping.
10-23-06 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
It still amazes me that studios will release a rated and unrated version on the same day, and that people will actually buy the rated version with less features,
10-23-06 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
As someone mentioned, if they gave the full disc away for free, some would be tempted to Ebay the disc. By providing a stripped down version, they will be less likely to try and get rid of the disc, and more likely to watch it.
If this is true, im becoming less and less impressed by their business decisions. They have handled their BD launch terribly.
10-23-06 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Not to get too off-topic, but Cjplay has confirmed hitting the bandwidth limitation on many titles he has worked on (more so than the space limitations), which makes me question if branching will work.
10-23-06 | 12:13 PM
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CJPlay comments on branching with HD DVD:
"How do you feel about bandwidth limitations and real-time branching? Obviously, there would be branch points where you would have lower bandwidth limitations for individual streams than you have now. Would limiting the bandwidth more than you get now for a single stream be an issue?"
No. Toolsets for HD DVD were the issue. I got to see a BD with angles awhile back... We know that we CAN do it, but the number of branches involded in a Dircut/Theatrical mix would make it VERY difficult to release the disc. A brach point also lowers the BR of the elements to about 18-19Mbps to make it seamless for HD. I've heard BD is around 25-30Mbps, but not sure. Remember, it's not a layerbreak (24Mbps mux rate to be seamless) and branching means it has to jump to another part of the disc before playing again, not like DVD (yet).
No. Toolsets for HD DVD were the issue. I got to see a BD with angles awhile back... We know that we CAN do it, but the number of branches involded in a Dircut/Theatrical mix would make it VERY difficult to release the disc. A brach point also lowers the BR of the elements to about 18-19Mbps to make it seamless for HD. I've heard BD is around 25-30Mbps, but not sure. Remember, it's not a layerbreak (24Mbps mux rate to be seamless) and branching means it has to jump to another part of the disc before playing again, not like DVD (yet).
10-23-06 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
So, they are more worried about someone selling the disc than actually providing the best quality BD to a new consumer?? Ridiculous.
Bundling a stripped-down version of the disc with the console is a bad business decision, and there is no way to sugar coat it into anything else.
10-23-06 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
A lot of times the uninformed consumer isn't given a choice. WalMart will only carry the rated version. When Joe Blow is shopping there and sees a movie he likes, if he hasn't been actively following release announcements he probably doesn't even know that an unrated version is available if he shops elsewhere.
There are some unrated discs out there that would get an NC-17 rating, but they're in the minority now.
10-23-06 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RoboDad
Bundling a stripped-down version of the disc with the console is a bad business decision, and there is no way to sugar coat it into anything else.
Talladega was a good movie, but just not my first pick for a high def release. If they had used X3, they wouldnt have to worry about unrated vs rated issue.
Im sure Sony doesnt wanna piss any parent's off and maybe thats why that are not including the unrated version.
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10-23-06 | 12:41 PM
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How can a DD+ track be converted to full DTS ??
I was hoping that Paramount adopted DTS-HD in the future.....looks like wishfull thinking now
I was hoping that Paramount adopted DTS-HD in the future.....looks like wishfull thinking now
10-23-06 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Please post a link on this....I remember him saying that he was concerned about this, but not that any of his titles have hit the bandwidth limitation.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8674102