And, oddly enough, not a single married individual in the bunch.

So after the person drops a grand on the Blu Ray player, they then have to drop at least $3200 for the attachment and if you want an actual chair then it will be at least $5000 i bet. I guess these are the people that don't flinch when paying Msrp at stores.

Amir Majidimerhr is an HD DVD insider in charge of VC-1 development at Microsoft. He posts extensively on AVSForum.

I love AVS rumors.
And then another...

I'd be wary of that MGM rumor. The man who replaced Blu-Ray Ben at Sony was a former MGM exec, the man who was in charge when MGM released some of their best special editions.

Glad I didn't..... because I had a kickass weekend watching BATMAN BEGINS on HD-DVD.

Seconded!

Holy Mutha Fuckin Shit.

Ok... this isn't funny anymore.

This is what Fox is spending their R&D on?

Christ, I hope they get their shit together before they go HD-DVD.

I'm sure this was something that cost very little on Fox's part. If I read the article correctly, they're simply including commands for the chair on the disc, the chair itself was designed by an entirely different company. Think of it as controller rumble on a video game.

Edit: Of course I should mention I disable rumble on most of my video games.

Well guess what I've been watching it for the past couple months in HD and I didn't even have to buy a player.


HAHAHAHA

Not being able to play triple layer discs is a negative no matter how you want to spin it. There is no doubt that TL discs will be coming. I understand that you have had enjoyment out of it, but all I'm saying is that is a negative if you won't be able to play future discs and I imagine that many discs will be TL in the future(if this is true).

Well nothing against Amir but in this particular case I think I am inclined to think the actual enginner working specifically on the triple layer disc at Toshiba would have a little bit more accurate info althought I could be wrong, wouldnt be the first time :-)

PS...

I dont know if you have realized this or not but the overall responce to your post has been pretty resounding. Everyone is absolutly thrilled with thier purchase thus far and something as small as triple layer support a year and a half from now has had very little if any negative effect on that overall support. That should tell you something and as I stated before waiting to buy a new kick ass product while everyone else around you is havin the best time with movies since basically SD DVD was released may suit you just fine but dont try and support that decision with crazy notions like you did with your post. Basically your just trying to make yourself feel better by convincing yourself it was a good idea not to buy which couldnt be more wrong. However if it keeps you feeling like you have one upped everyone here then by all means continue to enjoy your fantasy.

As for HDTV being as good as HD-DVD, well we both know that is also just not true but again if telling yourself these things makes you feel better, if it helps you get over the fact that your missing out on one of the most exciting times in the history of home theatre simply to save a few bucks down the road then again by all means continue on with your line of thinking.However as i said before, coming on here and posting statments like you did is completly worthless. Everyone here is absolutly thrilled with our decision to jump in and that is evident in almost every thread and every review.

So to sum this up do whatever you want to do, only you know what makes you tick but the fact that your on here trying to convince others when what your really doing is trying to convine yourself is well, just kinda sad.When Triple discs come and it just so happens they dont work on my player, I will happily buy a new player and not have an ounce of regret for having purchased the one I did when I did. Hd-DVD has been so much more than I ever thought it could have been that a few hundred measly dollars on players every few years will be money well spent.

PS..

Even if the edge goes to BD in overall size, it would be obviously very small when the TL HD-DVD disc come out. In the end I think what we are seeing is that the HD-DVD discs are simply a much better disc with way more versatility. I would rather have a disc that max out at 45 gig in my court that was capable of all of these different combinations layer and content wise over a 50 gig disc that had only 2 combinations. If used properly, the versatility of the HD-DVD disc could have some very measurable effects on the format war.

PS...

I hope you are at least enjoying some of your HD with an OTA box. The HD from most cable and satellite companies is crap compared to HD DVD. OTA HD seems to be less compressed.

Again the TL thing is not in any way ruining my enjoyment of HD DVD now. It is too far off to matter. I've gotten my money's worth out of this player and a year or so from now I will buy another HD DVD player if needed. Hell, I bought a dozen DVD players at least so that is hardly an issue.

There is always something better on the horizon. Occasionally you have to just dip in and enjoy what is available now.

Really? Because the one thing that I've taken away from this format war is that EVERYTHING is in doubt. Until something shows up in stores, don't assume it'll happen.

TL45 may very well be a reality in a year or two (again, I question the need for it). But it is hardly guaranteed. When/if they do show up, maybe they'll play in my player. Maybe not. But, they are going to be a pretty rare beast initially, and when the time comes that there are more of them, I'll have upgraded the player anyway. Just like I'm not still using the same DVD player I bought in 1999.

With both sides (BD and HD), I prefer to live in the here and now rather than chase some innovation or spec that is promised down the road.

Spin? By the time TL discs are readily available, I'll probably have moved on to a G2 unit. So, again, no negatives here. Sorry.

It's funny that so many people are feeding into Jigga's typical responses...

...but I guess I'll do it as well.

Yeah, TL-45 is no guarantee and even if it is, who's to say that it's needed? With VC1 compression, they're making movies as long as Spartacus fit on DL-30. As long as the main feature is on one disc, I don't care if it's split into two. TL-45 is just bullshit to shut BD up, much in the same way the new 1080p players are.

What's hilarious is that this $10,000 chair doesn't seem to accomplish anything that a $30 bass shaker hooked up to your receiver's subwoofer output couldn't already do.

The chair can tilt on 3 axis and has 1.5" of verticle lift. It responds to movie-specific motion commands to match the movement and action on the screen. While I'm not eager to turn my living room into Star Tours, the system is quite a bit more complex than a bass shaker.

Well, to be fair, I'm sure it will find some use on the adult titles.

I wouldn't buy any 'Deep Throat' attachment for that chair though...

I'll still take my sub over both the shaker and the chair. I don't want my chair shaking, I want ME shaking. And that's covered.

That idea is both brilliant and disgusting all at once...

Do you realize just how stupid this thing is?

I've been on plenty of these "4-D" rides that do the same kind of thing. Not even worth $4. Now, $10,000 for a chair that can do less than these rides is just funny. If the motion of the ride (or chair in this case) doesn't match up exactly with the motion on the screen it will cause nausea. Apparently those rides are supposed to be adjusted and checked daily to make sure they are in sync with their video to avoid making people hurl.

Keep in mind that the video on these rides is specifically made to match the motion of the ride. Now imagine creating "motion effects" for video that wasn't designed for the purpose...

The scariest part is Fox thinking that this is the future! Fits right in with Mike Dunn (Fox president) saying that the early adopter is going Blu-ray. Add their strong support of Divx to the mix and we're developing a pattern: It just doesn't matter what Fox thinks the future is-- they're probably wrong.

I've demoed the "bass shaker" modules in HT stores, too. It was also dumb. I felt the damn motor activate and de-activate. It wasn't seemless at all and therefore didn't enhance the bass effects at all (which it is supposed to do). I'd rather have a real subwoofer than try to fool my brain into thinking I was getting more bass.

Maybe that's why Fox likes this idea so much. They seem to like things that make consumers think they're getting more than they actually are: Divx, BD, and now D-Box.

I think everyone (including Jay, based on his 'star tours' comment) realizes just how stupid this thing is.