Blitz owns nothing. And AFAIK, he hasn't even said which player he's buying.

Yes, because that's what all the hype was about. This ain't no negotiation because the competition already delivers. Since Sony/BD has been hyping the extra capacity so much why settle for most movies being only on a 25GB disc? Almost all HD DVDs have 30GB discs. If most titles are not on BD50 then the HD DVD camp has the potential to have better PQ forever since they have an extra 5GB to use.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Is extra capacity important or not? Why not demand it then?

Blitz is going to be using this as his player:

Only if the HD-DVD is DL. HD-DVD has released SL 15GB discs that have good quality though, and SL BD has a 10GB advantage on that.

It depends on whether the extra capacity is needed or not. HD-DVD boosters have been saying that it isn't needed, that lower capacity can provide prefectly good quality, as evidenced by the HD-DVDs themeselves. If the disc provides high-quality picture and sound and plenty of extras, who cares what capacity disc it's on, right?

It's so encouraging to see that you never look outside your black-and-white view of the world of people being either BD or HD-DVD supporters. However, I'm not defending BD, I was just asking that if quality is the real issue, why niggle about capacity. Focusing on just capacity is what's kept BD in the race for so long anyway, as it's BD's only real technical "advantage" over HD-DVD.

Think about it this way: If and when the DVD Forum releases TL HD-DVDs and incorporates them into the spec, will you require them to release nearly all of their titles in TL (90-95% of them) before you buy any more?

-Jay

Im all PS3, all the way. Ive stated that MANY times on the forum. I beleive that 95% of the Blu-Ray supporters will be out of the woodwork by the time the panasonic, pioneer, sony, phillips, LG and other players come out. Oh and the ps3. A lot of people like myself have been patiently waiting, and that patience is about to be rewarded.

I may seem like a fanboy to many, but i am just seeing things comming together for Blu-Ray and am excited. A lot of people are. Theres a ton of posts by HD-DVD owners now talking about which Blu-Ray player to purchase this holiday season.

Unless they include all (or the quality) extras from the SD's I'm not interested.

I'd jump into HDDVD first because it seems most of the initial releases are hitting the ground running.... while if and when I get into Blu Ray I'd have to wait for all of the initial titles to be released again.

Wow, even with this announcement the BD discs are dropping most of the extras from the standard DVD releases. Again BD continues to fall short to HD DVD, but hopefully quality will at least be fixed. Baby steps, baby steps.

As far as people using PS3s, the PQ of the BD discs probably won't matter if the player is subpar. I'm really not seeing how the PS3 can be anything but a mediocre BD player. I will at least have some respect for BD supporters that buy an actual dedicated BD player. They will at least be able to honestly review the quality of the releases. Who knows though, maybe Sony will take a break from screwing their customers and build a quality movie player into the PS3.

This is where you just plain dont get it. This board is NOT HD-DVD bias as you claim. It is biased toward QUALITY.

Honestly, as others have said, if BD will start releasing quality material (pq/aq/special features) then alot of us would buy a BD player also.

YOU are the only one who cant see that.

I dont want to spend $1000 to watch a crappy release of The Fifth Element or featureless Robocop (oh wait, they scratched that one...ok terminator 2 or crash so on and so on) on MPEG2.

BD is starting to head in the right direction, but there are still MANY outstanding issues that they will have to address.

I wouldn't go that far.

Today's announcement is nothing more than the same: all flash and no substance.

I won't believe a man can fly until I see it.

No because HD DVD doesn't need it. BD, however, DOES need the extra space.

If they started putting longer movies on DL30 and there was a compromise of quality, then, of course I'd say that they should be using TL45.

But at the moment, even the "worst" HD DVD's I've seen look better than ANY of the BD I've seen.

True that we have to see it first, but the addition of using VC-1 is definately good.

Im not on board with BD yet and maybe never will be, but I just want quality releases on one or both formats. BD is just not giving us that yet unlike HD-DVD.

if/as soon as BD starts kicking out quality stuff I'll jump right in. I have no problems supporting both if the quality is there.

Sorry, Rock. That is not true. It is biased toward CHEAP.

The addition of VC1 on BD happened before today.

I'm wondering about this, too. The Samsung does NOT decode DTS-HD, that we know. But I'm not even sure if it can extract DTS. No other player has announced capability of decoding DTS-HD, either. Perhaps that will change when they actually come out, but right now it's looking like these discs will have useless tracks for a while.

I'm pretty sure the PS3 recently added this cabability. And since these discs are planned to launch at the same time as Sony's console, and in all the markets it is launching in, it's a fair likelyhood the titles are designed with the new Playstation in mind.

I know....In my original post, I wasnt referring to today's announcement when saying they are headed in the right direction.

Please explain. You may be referring more globally to this board. Im referring to the HD section really.

I think the PS3 can decode both DTS-HD and TruHD, however, without the HDMI model you won't get to hear it.

Bullcrap. If BD put out the better product and HD DVD had the quality issues with their discs the price difference in players wouldn't matter. The problem is BD is putting out the lower quality discs and charging more for players.

Another problem is HD DVD delivered what they said they would at the $500 price point. That puts all the pressure on BD to be better since they want an extra $500 for their players.

Yup, this would seem to confirm no MPEG4 for Kingdom of Heaven. They go out of their way to disclose the other titles that are MPEG4, but no mention on this one.

Was this before or after they added the capabilities of cooking you dinner, washing your car, and giving you a blowjob? I hear it will already make stock market investments for you, vacuum your floor, and paint your house. They say with a firmware upgrade it'll be able to cure Diabetes and broker a peace treaty between Israel and Lebanon.

I agree, given the staggering running time, not to release this using MPEG4 would be a negative if you ask me.

I don't know if you are referring to people buying HD because it is the cheaper version of the new format? If you are, then you don't know what's been going on in the "war" for the last few months. BD as it stands right now is inferior to HD, plain and simple, and it cannot be disputed.

I said, as it stands right now. I don't see anything changing anytime soon though.

Blitz, I want 10 specific posts that say that people that are supporting HD right now, are waiting to purchase a BD player this holiday season. Feel free to find these, and quote them.

Check Spikys posting history. It's riddled with posts of him bashing HD DVD because it's "cheap."

Ok, Blitz really needs to calm down. These titles look as I said earlier a little more interesting, but it remains to be seen ow they perform. Second, and most importantly for me, I have yet to see a decent player at a decent price point. No, the PS3 does not count toward this argument - I want a player, component size, to sit in my rack with my other players (LD, HD-DVD) not some watered down game system which i have to buy the remote seperately. No offense, but if the PS3 is as good a BD player as the PS2 was DVD player I would not even use it to prop the door open. I am awaiting the Pioneer player myself - When all we had was spec sheets I planned tenatively to purchase that player and go BD. After everything was released and I saw the amazing and affordable Toshiba I jumped into HD-DVD. My bashing of BD is based on experience - I went, I watched, I put my money where my mouth is and therefore I feel I am allowed a little room to talk negatively. I will start respecting Blitz's post a little more when he steps up with his wallet and when he gives both formats a fair shot which is what the bulk of his so called "HD-DVD fanboys" have done. He seems quick to forget that a few months back everyone that even mentioned buying an HD-DVD player was ridiculed by all the "BD fanboys." The tune changed when the products shipped for a reason.