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Old 07-17-06 | 11:02 AM
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Still, it's clear in the blog entry on ZDNet that the quotes in question are coming from Josh's review, and the itWire author should not be attributing them to a Microsoft employee.
Yes... and the itWire author seems to be going out of his way to attribute them incorrectly. The lack of a link/cite seems particularly obvious.


Josh -- can you sue? Probably. Actually, if you know a lawyer who would take a peek at this, it may be worth it, just to get him to take it down.

I'm not aware of what legal rights you have here, but I'm pretty sure that you (and Geoff) do have some.
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Old 07-17-06 | 11:48 AM
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Josh, he is referring to a ZD Net blog post which, in turn, quoted your review:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/carroll/index.php?p=1579

You had posted on the avs thread discussing it, so you should know.
Nowhere in the ITWire post did he claim to be referencing the ZDNet blog. He provides no attribution whatsoever. He merely quotes words that I've written and claims they're from a Microsoft employee.
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Old 07-17-06 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
You're about a few weeks too late. Do search over at AVS.
I searched Best Buy HD etc on the forum and found 1000 posts and couldn't locate reference too the BB 'pushing' and 'misleading' customers on the new formats issue.

So if someone could please post a link to the thread that discusses it,I would appreciate it.
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Old 07-17-06 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie Walker
I searched Best Buy HD etc on the forum and found 1000 posts and couldn't locate reference too the BB 'pushing' and 'misleading' customers on the new formats issue.

So if someone could please post a link to the thread that discusses it,I would appreciate it.
There might be something about it in this thread from AVS. Wasn't too hard to find. Just had to do an advanced search.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=694650
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Old 07-17-06 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric D.
There might be something about it in this thread from AVS. Wasn't too hard to find. Just had to do an advanced search.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=694650
There are threads popping up over there in the BD and HD forums almost daily. Not too hard to find at all.
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Old 07-17-06 | 02:49 PM
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In order to bring suit, one would need to prove damages. It is hard to see what, if any, monetary damages Josh may have suffered as the result of this idiot's "article." Besides, the imbecile does not even attribute the quote to Josh by name so that probably guts any libel cause of action. Not worth much more than a letter or email to the site demanding a correction of what is obviously an intentional misattribution (the guy waved the "microsoft employee" flag in practically every other sentence in that "article.")
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Old 07-17-06 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Blitz6Speed
By the time they are pressing a billion discs per year, the costs will literally be the same if not within 1-2 cents of dvd now. This is just the baby steps portion.
Again, now vs. later. Yawn. Your analysis presumes BD's existence years from now.
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Old 07-17-06 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ResIpsa
In order to bring suit, one would need to prove damages. It is hard to see what, if any, monetary damages Josh may have suffered as the result of this idiot's "article." Besides, the imbecile does not even attribute the quote to Josh by name so that probably guts any libel cause of action. Not worth much more than a letter or email to the site demanding a correction of what is obviously an intentional misattribution (the guy waved the "microsoft employee" flag in practically every other sentence in that "article.")
I think Josh/Geoff have a case, not for libel but for copyright infringement/plagerism. I am sure the author of a work can stop distribution by unauthorized oarties, especially when uncredited.
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Old 07-17-06 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
I think Josh/Geoff have a case, not for libel but for copyright infringement/plagerism. I am sure the author of a work can stop distribution by unauthorized oarties, especially when uncredited.
I'm not really going to sue, but I would like a retraction and apology. I posted a response on that page and emailed the editor. We'll see what happens.
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Old 07-17-06 | 07:13 PM
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Josh -- have you made Geoff aware of the situation also? I'm not sure what your agreement is with the site, but Geoff may literally be the owner of those words. I'm sure he'd be a bit concerned about this article misrepresenting his site. And taking text without permission or attribution.


I've said it before, but it bears repeating. Your reviews of both HD-DVD and Blu-ray have been the best I have read so far. They are heads-and-tails above other things I've seen, both on the net and in 'legitimate' print media.
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Old 07-17-06 | 07:26 PM
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I read/skimmed five other articles on that site, and four of five were very anti-MS. Now I am not MS's #1 fan, but to accuse anyone of bias on a site like that one reeks of hypocricy.
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Old 07-17-06 | 07:28 PM
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The article's been "corrected", but it still makes assumptions of Josh's review based on a couple of excerpts rather than the review in total, still accuses him of "FUD", and refers to him at one point as "the Mr Zyber".
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Old 07-17-06 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
The article's been "corrected", but it still makes assumptions of Josh's review based on a couple of excerpts rather than the review in total, still accuses him of "FUD", and refers to him at one point as "the Mr Zyber".
I find the new version quite amusing. By adding in all of the corrections, it completely invalidates the entire point of the post.
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Old 07-17-06 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric D.
There might be something about it in this thread from AVS. Wasn't too hard to find. Just had to do an advanced search.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=694650
Thanks,hmm strangely I had a BB employee rave about HD hddvd when they had it on demo. I wonder if I should go inquire about i it tomorrow since I have the day off?

It would be interesting to see if they really are trying to 'push' it and are purposely being misleading or just plain clueless.
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Old 07-18-06 | 08:21 AM
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Thanks,hmm strangely I had a BB employee rave about HD hddvd when they had it on demo. I wonder if I should go inquire about i it tomorrow since I have the day off?

It would be interesting to see if they really are trying to 'push' it and are purposely being misleading or just plain clueless.
Ive been to BB numerous times since BD was released. No one has tried to push it on me AND one time, when I asked where it was, the guy said that it wasnt out yet. He came back a few minutes later and corrected himself then pointed me to it.
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Old 07-18-06 | 08:26 AM
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this might have been asked but if HD-DVD were to become the prevailent HiDef DVD format - what would happen with BluRay and specifically: would the Sony/Columbia TriStar titles revert to HD-DVD?
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Old 07-18-06 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Giles
this might have been asked but if HD-DVD were to become the prevailent HiDef DVD format - what would happen with BluRay and specifically: would the Sony/Columbia TriStar titles revert to HD-DVD?
uhh...I wouldn't plan on it in the next 5 years.
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Old 07-18-06 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Giles
this might have been asked but if HD-DVD were to become the prevailent HiDef DVD format - what would happen with BluRay and specifically: would the Sony/Columbia TriStar titles revert to HD-DVD?
I dont think its gonna happen any time soon. But, if HD-DVD just takes off and puts alot of distance between itself and BD, I think Sony would eventually break down and sell HD-DVD discs.

They arent gonna hold a grudge, they are in this to make money. If HD-DVD will make them alot of money, they will switch. Besides, Sony has gotten good at having to change course after a failed format.
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Old 07-18-06 | 09:02 AM
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Sony has too much at stake. They will not support HD DVD until there is no life left in Blu-ray. I would honestly never expect there to be Sony content in HD DVD.
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Old 07-18-06 | 09:05 AM
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Sony has too much at stake. They will not support HD DVD until there is no life left in Blu-ray. I would honestly never expect there to be Sony content in HD DVD.
I think it also depends on if hd-dvd becomes THE next format. If BD dies, but hd-dvd is the equivalent of laser disc, you are probably right.

If its the next DVD, then Sony will support it.
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Old 07-18-06 | 09:10 AM
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Interesting article:

How Blu-Ray Might Sink Sony...
http://nintendo.about.com/library/bl...bluraypen1.htm

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Old 07-18-06 | 10:24 AM
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[Video] is a huge deal to a lot of people, and the difference is apparent to almost anyone. There might be a similar difference in the audio formats, but no one really cares.
So shut up. If you don't care, your opinion is useless, by your own admission. So shut the fuck up. Some of us care, and we are the ones discussing it.

And frankly, video doesn't matter to you people, either. I've seen mouthy J6P setups. Doesn't matter if they have a 40" or a 100" TV, all they really see is the size, not the quality.
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Old 07-18-06 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Interesting article:

How Blu-Ray Might Sink Sony...
http://nintendo.about.com/library/bl...bluraypen1.htm

"The PS3 relies on a feature [Blu-ray] that can't be utilized without equipment [an HD television] that sells for double the PS3 itself. Sony is hoping the PS3 will be carried by a feature that will go almost unused by the time the PS3 is replaced by the PS4. "

While I think that HDTV sales are rising faster than most people realize and predict, this is a very interesting point. HDTVs will certainly not be "mainstream" any time in the next few years... and although your average PS3 buyer is more likely than not to either have one or want to buy one soon, does it make sense to put so much faith in that?
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Old 07-18-06 | 10:55 AM
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this might have been asked but if HD-DVD were to become the prevailent HiDef DVD format - what would happen with BluRay and specifically: would the Sony/Columbia TriStar titles revert to HD-DVD?
... but it won't.

Remember that Blu-Ray train is indestructible.

With the latest release of hit Disney/Miramax films, there's no stopping the Force of Blu!!!!!
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Old 07-18-06 | 10:55 AM
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and although your average PS3 buyer is more likely than not to either have one or want to buy one soon, does it make sense to put so much faith in that?
I agree....I did a 180 on this last year.

I criticized MS for not putting an HD drive in the 360...now, it makes sense to me. They kept the cost lower and dedicated it to, guess what, gaming.

With the external hd-dvd drive, those that wish to watch hd material can do so. Sony is forcing someone to pay for something that they might not use (and its pretty pricey!).

Also, how many kids have hdtvs in their bedrooms?? How many gaming systems do you think end up in kids bedrooms versus on a living room tv??

If parent's take the plunge and buy a PS3 for their kids (which I dont think many will), I bet a good percentage of those will be in their bedrooms and not on an hd set. This will also hurt BD.

The more and more I think about it, I just feel that Sony is miscalculating. But, we wont know until its released I guess.
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