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more importantly...
what the hell is infidently? :hscratch:

Yeah, I was confused by that and the "infidently" comment.

Ha...you beat me to it

Seriously though....for anyone to come in and blanketly claim that one of these is the clear winner is ridiculous. If that were the case, there would be no war.

Its par for the course with his posts. It's also a part of why it's hard to take him seriously. You should really be able to use the english language correctly if you're trying to make a point.

Well, im excited about the PS3 coming out and will probably buy it. But, that has nothing to do with Bluray really. It will all come down to what games are out on it and the price.

I dont want to play movies on my gaming console anyways (just like I dont want to listen to mp3s on my cell phone). If I want Bluray in the future, ill buy a separate player. I think most in this niche market are like this too.

And, who knows, by that time (xmas??), MS might have a cheap HD-DVD player to use with the 360 to compete.

I'm probably going to wait on buying the PS3 b/c I jumped all over the 360 at launch and now I'm kind of bored with the games currently available.

I'd like to buy the Sony BD-1, to compare Toshiba's main HD-dvd player against Sony's BR, but I don't think I can wait until it is released. I'll probably grab the Samsung on release day.

Why is it that virtually all of the rabid fanboyism appears to be coming solely from the Blu-Ray camp?

Most of the posts from HD-DVD enthusiasts appear to be fairly pragmatic: while endorsing and being enthusiastic about the format, most are saying "Hey, I'm enjoying what is available now, but I may also end up getting a Blu-Ray player as well when all is said and done". Many reports tout the lower upfront cost of HD-DVD vs. BR and the fact that it is currently available. None of the reviews, reports, or opinions I've seen from HD-DVD owners have come right out and said "I will never buy Blu-Ray!" or "Blu-Ray must DIE!", or other such emotional outbursts.

On the other hand, many of the posts from the BR contingent are "HD-DVD sucks! HD-DVD must DIE! There is only BLU-RAY! WAHOOO!!!" or joy over the potential demise of HD-DVD. I'm not seeing the same level of foaming at the mouth coming from the HD-DVD camp. What am I missing?

It's taken the tone of almost a religious zeal on the part of the most vocal of the Blu-Ray fanbase... and there haven't even been any players released yet.

I don't get it.

I dont either....blatant defense for a format that isnt even out yet.

Oblivion has absorbed more than 85 hours of my time over the past month.

I am dying to get into HD DVD or BR but I am hesitant to get one till I am sure it will be around for a while. If a movie I must have comes out in HD I will probably buy that format but as of yet all the titles I am hearing are not movies I have to have in HD.

Also from the pricing the only way I will get into BR is a PS3 cause I cant afford 1000 for a player. If a movie I really want comes out on HD DVD I might cave in and get a player.

Add me to the list. I don't understand the hatred of HD DVD. Its a very good format and Toshiba had every right to try and continue what they started with DVD. I know Sony and Phillips have a right to try and take that market away, but to hate Toshiba because they wouldn't cave in to Blu-ray makes no sense.

I stopped by the local high end store, because after seeing my HD DVD player my uncle wants an XA1. They already had their next shipment of XA1s due today sold out ahead of time and they are way down on the list for A1s and won't see those until late May.

I think people are going to have to deal with the fact this may be a DVD-R vs DVD+R thing were both formats survive. Obviously Sony has an advantage in the fact they can hold all their studios stuff for Blu-ray, but I don't think that will be enough to kill HD DVD anytime soon.

Also most of the Blu-ray supporters are going to be people waiting for the PS3 so they can watch movies. Well, enjoy your HD discs in November but I will enjoy mine right now and catch up with Blu-ray when I feel its worth getting.

It's just carry over of Playstation and general Sony loyalism. Panasonic doesn't have those kind of fans, mainly due to not being in video games probably.

Personally, I couldn't give two shits which format wins out. There will be no perceptible differnece in video or audio quality, and that's all I care about as I just want the format for movies, not storage, games etc.

Win one wins out, has all the movies I want, and is priced around DVD now, I'll buy in and I have no preference whatsoever whether that is HDDVD or Blu Ray.

You're going to be waiting a very long time. Did you wait until now to get involved with DVD?

So now giving facts is being smug. :thmbsdwn:

Can someone direct me to a link showing how much space the audio is going to take? If the discs can hold 6+ hours of video at 30GBs, how does that drop to 2.5 hours with a DTS-HD track? A two hour movie is roughly 9GBs from what I have read and that would mean the audio would be nearly 20GBs? They can keep the DTS-HD if its that huge of a file. Phantom is over 2 hours, had DD+ and DDTrueHD and had all the extras from the disc2 of the Phantom DVD and still fit on a 30GB disc. I'm just not seeing the storage issues.

We've been down this road before. DVD players and discs where super cheap by 1999, so it was easy to get on board relatively early on. Not to mention you didn't need a new tv for them.

And mainly, I had a ton of incentive to upgrade from VHS. No rewinding. Instant scene access. OAR for almost all movies. Extra features. Crazy sales like the 800.com 3 for $1. And lastly, better AV Quality.

All HD formats offer is better A/V quality, so I don't mind waiting as I'm perfectly happy with DVD quality for now. I'd like the better quality, and will buy in down the road, rebuy some choice titles, and buy all new titles in HD at that point.

Here's a "fact" that I'm not sure is true, but I don't know how to verify (or debunk it).

I read recently that even though HD-DVD had a minority of studio support right now (~45% or so, right?), that that 45% represents just over 50% of all movies.

Is this true? False? Anybody know? Just curious.

I would imagine its more than 50%. Having Warner (huge library), Universal and Paramount on your side has to equal more than 50% of all movies. Its probably 75% of movies I would actually consider buying.

I'm sure out of the HD camp, Warner's has the deepest catalog. But I know Universal is very deep as well. And I'm gonna guess that Fox has the largest catalog for BD. I think they are the key. Should they ever decide to cross the line and start releasing HD-DVD, then fans of that format could start a celebration.

Those were the days....and reel.com's $20 off coupons :)

Correct, which is why having Warner switch in October 2005 from being HD DVD-exclusive to supporting both formats was such a huge step forward for Blu-ray.

A bit of hyperbole here? I believe I have read all the posts in this forum and I don't recall any like that. I do see some spirited debate over the prospects of the two formats.

If HD-DVD had 100% studio support I'd be sorely tempted to take the plunge, although I'd prefer to wait for the 2G players that ought to fix some issues with the current A1 and XA1 players.

For those that have the HD-DVD players, enjoy your new toys. I have learned a lot from your experiences, both good and not so good.

Sadly, it's not, although this forum is better behaved than some of the other ones I read.

Yeah, it's not near as bad as the Crash vs Brokeback Mountain threads. I endured a few of those. sheesh.