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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
"Little-to-no HD DVD-exclusive extras" equals "piece of shit"? How do you arrive at that?
I'm with awmurray -- heck, if the concept of extras completely evaporated tomorrow, I wouldn't blink twice. Also, the picture and sound quality on these discs should be impeccable and all the reviews I've been reading have not been glowing except only for a couple discs. That's plain appalling. |
Originally Posted by awmurray
I'd prefer the extras to be on an extra disc anyway. No use wasting any space that could be used to increase the PQ of the main feature. PQ is my primary concern, AQ next, then everything else. As long as the extras don't interfere with PQ/AQ I'd like to have them... but not at a huge extra cost like they've been trying to do with SD DVD lately. Fortunately, HD DVD seems to be able to provide pristine PQ and include all the extras from the DVD release. Great for me.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
I am saying you won't see any HD extras regardless for quite a while. The studios will simply not pay for them because of the extra costs. You might see a few releases that have them but for the most part it'll be few and far beween.
The only extra I'd want in HD is the trailer. The rest can be SD 16x9 for all i care. |
Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Again, I said it's the people (studios, Toshiba, and Sony or anyone involved), it's the fact that they could have a hit a home run with the formats but instead chose to take the launch so lightly and not have something new and innovative for the launch.
IMO, HD DVD did hit a home run: stunning PQ, great AQ (probably getting better with TrueHD), all the DVD extras ported over, software around $20 (less sometimes), and players only $450. The player is supposedly a great SD DVD player and among the best upconverting ones, too. Also the CD playback stream rivals audiophile CD players costing $3000+. Some are calling the HD-A1 possibly the best CE value ever. All that, plus we know it will get better with time... If you're talking about BR I would say it is more like seeing Mark McGwire step up to the plate and bunting.
Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Also, the picture and sound quality on these discs should be impeccable and all the reviews I've been reading have not been glowing except only for a couple discs. That's plain appalling.
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
To be honest, who cares?
The only extra I'd want in HD is the trailer. The rest can be SD 16x9 for all i care. Personally, I don't really care about interviews in HD, but things like deleted scenes or trailers should have to be in HD. |
Originally Posted by awmurray
I have not figured out the reviews yet... I don't understand some of the negative comments myself.
I've read a lot of thoughtful HD-DVD reviews since the launch, but I definitely sense that reviewers are hesitant to call something "amazing" when there are only 20-ish titles to work with. And that probably makes sense, as I'm sure we'll be seeing some amazing PQ in the next few years. And I'm with digitalfreak on the subject of HD-extras. They'd be a nice bonus... but other than things like trailers and deleted scenes, I don't think I'd care at all if they save space by going SD 16x9. |
Originally Posted by awmurray
On my display (1024x768, 90" wide) I'm getting the best PQ I've ever seen. Beautiful, full colors and unbelievable levels of details. It truly is stunning... I really hate it when I have to switch back to SD DVD for something. I literally am amazed scene after scene when watching a movie. I've never had that kind of feeling with SD DVD on my system... the flaws have always been readily apparent to me. On the audio side we get DD+ with the probabiliy of Dolby TrueHD with a firmware upgrade.
IMO, HD DVD did hit a home run: stunning PQ, great AQ (probably getting better with TrueHD), all the DVD extras ported over, software around $20 (less sometimes), and players only $450. The player is supposedly a great SD DVD player and among the best upconverting ones, too. Also the CD playback stream rivals audiophile CD players costing $3000+. Some are calling the HD-A1 possibly the best CE value ever. All that, plus we know it will get better with time... If you're talking about BR I would say it is more like seeing Mark McGwire step up to the plate and bunting. I have not figured out the reviews yet... I don't understand some of the negative comments myself. I thought Perfect Storm, for example, looked very good even though most reviews thought it was so-so at best. Very likely they are display or system related, too. The Riddick review on this site was pretty critical-- some of the remarks saying the PQ in some spots looked upconverted instead of real HD were even removed. Not a fault of the review, though... there is NO substitute for seeing the material on your system with your own eyes. |
Originally Posted by jiggawhat
but many of the sites that I frequent have not been that encouraging of the format.
Honestly, the only thing preventing me from running out and buying a HD-DVD player today is the format war. I still have a stack of unwatched SD-DVDs and quite a bit of patience, so I'm not going to take the risk of picking up a machine and software from the losing side. I can wait a bit to see how things shake down once the gaming machines get released, the holiday sales figures are available, and the 2nd gen players are released. But everything else about HD-DVD looks top notch to me... yes, the quick release of a buggy machine was unfortunate, but that's pretty much par for the course in today's marketplace. And it was fixed relatively easy and promptly by the firmware update. |
Originally Posted by bboisvert
But everything else about HD-DVD looks top notch to me... yes, the quick release of a buggy machine was unfortunate, but that's pretty much par for the course in today's marketplace. And it was fixed relatively easy and promptly by the firmware update.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
How could they have hit a home run if there isn't universal praise for the launch? The player that was released was buggy piece of crap from what everyone has said.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
The player that was released was buggy piece of crap from what everyone has said. It was only fixed after a firmware upgrade.
I had one picture freeze before the update... the 1.2 firmware was available about 2-3 weeks after I got mine... I think mine is pretty stable. I did have a lockup at one spot on Phantom of the Opera. I restarted and it consistently locked up at that point... so I skipped to the end of that chapter... no trouble after that. Afterwards, I instpected the disc (it was from Netflix). It was easily the worst looking disc I'd ever seen. It looked like it had been dropped on asphalt and walked on. There were literally hundreds of scratches/abrasions on it. Frankly I'm suprised it played AT ALL. Two and a half hours with only one unplayable spot. Gave me a better sense of just what the thing can handle. |
I just got mine last night and it is truly an incredible piece of equipment - no problems here whatsoever. Performance is outstanding. I am recommending this to everyone I know.
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Originally Posted by bboisvert
Such as?
Honestly, the only thing preventing me from running out and buying a HD-DVD player today is the format war. I still have a stack of unwatched SD-DVDs and quite a bit of patience, so I'm not going to take the risk of picking up a machine and software from the losing side. I can wait a bit to see how things shake down once the gaming machines get released, the holiday sales figures are available, and the 2nd gen players are released. But everything else about HD-DVD looks top notch to me... yes, the quick release of a buggy machine was unfortunate, but that's pretty much par for the course in today's marketplace. And it was fixed relatively easy and promptly by the firmware update. |
Originally Posted by RoboDad
Everyone? I bought mine on day one and haven't had a single problem with it. Unless you have actually used one, you really have no business calling it "a buggy piece of crap."
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
This site, Digital Bits, Hometheaterforum, AVSforum.
TDB is a totally different story. |
You are like half the posts in the HD-DVD section that's why it's positive. HAHA
Seriously though are you kidding? |
Originally Posted by jiggawhat
You are like half the posts in the HD-DVD section that's why it's positive. HAHA
Seriously though are you kidding? the amount of people that were pro-BD on BOTH sites (hell, even including HTF) has greatly dwindled. the difference is night and day. |
Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Again, I said it's the people (studios, Toshiba, and Sony or anyone involved), it's the fact that they could have a hit a home run with the formats but instead chose to take the launch so lightly and not have something new and innovative for the launch.
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I am neither pro HD or BD, the Samsung Launch was even worse considering that HDMI doesn't even work like it should so don't think I'm a BD fanboy. I dislike both equally.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
I am neither pro HD or BD, the Samsung Launch was even worse considering that HDMI doesn't even work like it should so don't think I'm a BD fanboy. I dislike both equally.
have you experienced or bought either? it sounds like all of your info is 2nd or 3rd hand |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
no one is claiming you are. ;)
have you experienced or bought either? it sounds like all of your info is 2nd or 3rd hand I'm not just gonna be an idiot and buy it knowing that it has all these problems. That would be stupid. Plus waiting for the big problem to resolve: THE FORMAT WAR. Or I'll just wait to buy a universal player which is a certainty. |
Originally Posted by jiggawhat
I'm not just gonna be an idiot and buy it knowing that it has all these problems. That would be stupid.
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I'm curious here, are people buying HD-DVD/Blu-Ray for improved PQ or for more extras(no jokes about BD please :) )?
it's kinda funny to me that I do hear stuff like "the picture/sound is amazing but it still blows because they didn't give me bloopers" or something to that effect. |
To me, it's inconceivable to think about extras when the picture and sound quality is improved so vastly.
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
I'm not just gonna be an idiot and buy it knowing that it has all these problems. That would be stupid.
Not winning any points. |
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