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digitalfreaknyc 06-24-06 02:19 AM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
By the way, I'm still waiting for digitalfreak to formally congratulate me. I won't feel like a true HD-DVD owner without it. ;)

Don't wait for my congratulations. You'll be congratulating yourself when you get it.

Please post when you get it and your thoughts on it. ;) Have a blast with it and welcome to the club.

Josh Z 06-24-06 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Right now the player only goes up to 1080i, but it will do that on component and HDMI for any non-ICT HD-DVD.

I also need to stress that 1080i is the only good output setting for HD DVD disc playback. The Toshiba players' scaling to 720p is very poor, so even if you have a 720p display you still want to use 1080i output.

Supermallet 06-24-06 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Don't wait for my congratulations. You'll be congratulating yourself when you get it.

Please post when you get it and your thoughts on it. ;) Have a blast with it and welcome to the club.

I guess that's the best I'm gonna get. :lol:

digitalfreaknyc 06-24-06 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I guess that's the best I'm gonna get. :lol:

DOOOOOOODD!!!!!

CONFUCKINGGRATULATIONS!!!! MAN!!!1111!!!!!

U ROC!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Supermallet 06-25-06 12:19 AM

I just found Blazing Saddles and Serenity used on Amazon for under $20 each. :up:

Plus, I am so fucking excited that I can use my HD camcorder and put the footage on SD-DVD but still have the Toshiba recognize it as HD and play it in HD. That alone makes the purchase worth it.

edstein 06-27-06 07:44 AM

Here we go again. -popcorn-

Toshiba wants unified DVD format

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...BA.xml&src=rss

digitalfreaknyc 06-27-06 12:15 PM

Panasonic announced their BD player: $1300.

BravesMG 06-27-06 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Panasonic announced their BD player: $1300.

Is there a reason why these prices keep going up from the launch player? I mean, other than the obvious that the launch Samsung apparently sucks, but I'm surprised they keep getting more expensive.

RockStrongo 06-27-06 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by bravesmg
Is there a reason why these prices keep going up from the launch player? I mean, other than the obvious that the launch Samsung apparently sucks, but I'm surprised they keep getting more expensive.

Yeah, i thought that I heard the Pioneer was gonna be $1800...has it come down from there?

digitalfreaknyc 06-27-06 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Yeah, i thought that I heard the Pioneer was gonna be $1800...has it come down from there?

Yeah. Supposedly $1500.

candyrocket786 06-27-06 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by bravesmg
Is there a reason why these prices keep going up from the launch player? I mean, other than the obvious that the launch Samsung apparently sucks, but I'm surprised they keep getting more expensive.

Maybe this one really promises to go "beyond High Definition" rotfl

Spiky 06-27-06 03:40 PM

They aren't going up. Pioneer's came down. Panny's was never announced before that I can recall. Estimates were $1200-1500, IIRC. Sony/Samsung still on track.

RockStrongo 06-27-06 03:44 PM

I am curious about that argument made on avsforum about BD advertising as "High Definition DVD".....how can they use the DVD name when BD essentially has NOTHING to do with DVD??

In my mind, they should not be able to use DVD in their advertisements.

RoboDad 06-27-06 03:57 PM

I noticed the same thing in both the Best Buy and Circuit City ads in my Sunday newspaper. They used virtually identical verbage, and both referred to BDs as "Blu-ray High Definition DVDs."

Seems to me that Toshiba and the DVD Forum might have a lawsuit here for illegal use of a trademark. I know I'd go after them pretty hard if I were in the midst of a format war, and they started calling their product by my product's name.

Spiky 06-27-06 04:27 PM

Considering the main players of the DVD Forum are Toshiba and Sony, I doubt the group as a whole will say much. I'd say they are trying to convince J6P that these are just like DVDs, but in HD. Most of the people I know still don't really get the difference between CD and DVD, other than they are music and movies respectively. Doubt they are going to understand either new disc.

Marketing is crap. Always and forever. Get a Tivo, ignore it.

RoboDad 06-27-06 04:55 PM

Then maybe, in a counter-attack, Toshiba should start advertising the HD-A1 as a "High Definition DVD featuring Blue Ray technology". ;)

Josh Z 06-27-06 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by RoboDad
Then maybe, in a counter-attack, Toshiba should start advertising the HD-A1 as a "High Definition DVD featuring Blue Ray technology". ;)

Considering the current state of things, my recommendation for their new ad campaign should be simply, "Better Than Blu".

Supermallet 06-27-06 09:21 PM

"Better than blu, better for u." ;)

ChrisHicks 06-27-06 09:31 PM

"If you go Blu then shame on you" ;)

digitalfreaknyc 06-28-06 10:50 AM

Some interesting info over at AVS from a Toshiba Sales Rep.


First, the HD DVD player being inherently a DVD player, uses one laser with a blue lens for HD DVD and a red lens for DVD. The BD player, based on a completely different technology, uses a blue laser and has to have a separate red laser for DVD compatability.

Secondly, the A1 & XA1 will continue to remain in tight supplies throughout the summer. Based on distributor and retailer sales estaimes & pre-orders, Toshiba underestimated demand for the products. About 30,000 players have been sold through mid-June, they're cranking them out as fast as they can but demand continues to far outstrip supply.

Finally, the 2nd generation HD DVD player with SoC (software on chip) with much lower production cost is already well along in development, and they expect to have it to retailers in time for the holiday shopping season.

RockStrongo 06-28-06 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Some interesting info over at AVS from a Toshiba Sales Rep.

It would be hilarious if the 2nd gen HD-DVD player beat the release of the first gen BD Sony player.

Tarantino 06-28-06 11:04 AM

So much...wasted space...
 
We got our first waves of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD in recently, and looking at them, I have to wonder why both formats have so much wasted space. Take Lethal Weapon, for example. It's got the movie, some additional scenes, and...well, that's it (maybe a trailer?). They could easily pack these things with special features. Hell, they could put all four Lethal Weapons on one disc. Instead, most of the discs are featureless. And how about Ultraviolet, which only came in the PG-13 version and is also barebones...could they not have put both the unrated and PG-13 on one disc? And movies like Terminator, which had a packed standard DVD...featureless (save two commentaries).

I guarantee this is not impressing the public, and could be one reason why sales are so dismal thus far.

Just my opinion.

= J

Deftones 06-28-06 11:08 AM

It's always been like this. The initial titles for the DVD launch were pretty barebones.

digitalfreaknyc 06-28-06 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
It would be hilarious if the 2nd gen HD-DVD player beat the release of the first gen BD Sony player.

With a much lower production cost.

Hmm...$299 Toshie or 1k Sony?

digitalfreaknyc 06-28-06 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Tarantino
We got our first waves of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD in recently, and looking at them, I have to wonder why both formats have so much wasted space. Take Lethal Weapon, for example. It's got the movie, some additional scenes, and...well, that's it (maybe a trailer?). They could easily pack these things with special features. Hell, they could put all four Lethal Weapons on one disc. Instead, most of the discs are featureless. And how about Ultraviolet, which only came in the PG-13 version and is also barebones...could they not have put both the unrated and PG-13 on one disc? And movies like Terminator, which had a packed standard DVD...featureless (save two commentaries).

I guarantee this is not impressing the public, and could be one reason why sales are so dismal thus far.

Just my opinion.

= J

Where are the sales figures that say they're dismal?

Lethal Weapon has the same extras as the DVD version.

And no...all 4 movies can't fit on the same disc in HD.

So, sorry, none of what you posted makes any sense.


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