Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD software pricing
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Source? Price hasn't been announced. I don't even think Sony has decided yet what the retail will be.
Rumors are floating in the past few days of a $600-$700 price tag.
Plus rumors abound that some places will only be selling PS3 as a bundle with other stuff, much like they did with 360. I have read $1000 bundle pricing. It really hinges on the pricepoint. Google "Sega Saturn" for more info.
As I said, at this point, I don't believe this particular rumor,
but a lot could happen between now and then.
Don't forget, if you believe everything Sony says, you'd be playing PS3 right now.
Between now and November, anyone looking to upgrade to a HD format will have the choice between a $500 HD player and a $1000 BR player, both of which will deliver a near identical movie experience.
If you think for a second that the majority of buyers are going to go for that higher priced player, you're nuts.
You criticize Blitz6Speed for disregarding player price as a factor, and then you tout player price as the only relevant factor. Really, that's fanboyism at its worth - playing up the advantages of your chosen product, and downplaying its disadvantages. Tsk tsk tsk.
When PS3 launches, most people in the market for a movie player won't care if it plays games.
No one looking for quality ever bought the PS2 for the DVD playback capabilities. I doubt that the PS3 will be as good as the stand alone models.
Additionally, I have doubts we'll see PS3 this year.
How you can say something that has yet to hit market and be independently criticized and compared against another product yet to hit the market is clearly superior?
How does HD fall short on price? Even if PS3 is $500, then at best they are equal, assuming there is now price drop on the players before November.
The way I see it, to the average consumer, in most respects HD and BR with be near identical performance wise. The two big factors will be price which HD has a huge advantage and selection which gives BR the edge. Which will the average consumer care more about?
My guess right now will be price.
My guess right now will be price.
Studio support will follow if HD takes off.
I've long said that on paper, BR is a more attractive product, mostly due to the larger capacity. Cost cannot be denied as a huge factor.
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Sony is so clearly beaten on economics in both Blu-Ray and PS3, of course some will totally dismiss it as a factor. HD is totally outclassed when it comes to potential library. What will the masses care about most? Time will tell.
I think the person that said "what is better a cheap player with few discs or an expensive player with lots of discs?" said it best.
I think the person that said "what is better a cheap player with few discs or an expensive player with lots of discs?" said it best.
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
I think the person that said "what is better a cheap player with few discs or an expensive player with lots of discs?" said it best.
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Originally Posted by Grubert
Those rumours are based on a misquoted, mistranslated, taken-out-of-context interview with the VP of SCEE, and with price figures incorrectly converted disregarding indirect taxes in Europe. Summary: worth shite.
Q. There is a question that gamers are asking, and it's the price of this console. We're seeing figures circulating on the web... 500 dollars according to rumour. Are we close to reality, or far off?
A. Listen, if we take the Blu-ray/HD side, we're looking at Blu-ray players for 1,000 euros and more. Therefore, [the PS3] will be extremely cheap from that point of view. When we look at the gaming side, today it is true that games consoles have a price clearly below 500 euros. I'd say that we'll be in that price range. It'll be expensive for the video games part, but it'll be extremely cheap if you look at the set of technologies it contains.
A. Listen, if we take the Blu-ray/HD side, we're looking at Blu-ray players for 1,000 euros and more. Therefore, [the PS3] will be extremely cheap from that point of view. When we look at the gaming side, today it is true that games consoles have a price clearly below 500 euros. I'd say that we'll be in that price range. It'll be expensive for the video games part, but it'll be extremely cheap if you look at the set of technologies it contains.
"it'll be expensive for the video games part"-- this means it will be more expensive than the XBox 360.
I think $600-$650 is a good quess between the Xbox (~$520) and the Sony BR player ($1000).
Another problem will be the supply. Right now, you can buy an XBox from Amazon.com for $671.22 (fully loaded). I assume the prices are high because it's still hard to find one. What will happen when the all the hard core PS3 gamers buy up all the PS3s? The actual street prices could inflate even more.
I don't know about others, but I'm not going to go through all the trouble to actually find a PS3 to buy when at best (although extremely unlikely) it will cost the same as an HD-DVD player. And the HD-DVD player won't be in short supply and therefore won't have an inflated price due to lack of supply.
I would guess that this Christmas, we're going to see PS3s selling for $800-$1000 on places like eBay due to short supply.
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Originally Posted by awmurray
But, you're the one who posted it.
Now, 500 euros ~= $615. I understand there are different tax structures, but look at what else was said:
"it'll be expensive for the video games part"-- this means it will be more expensive than the XBox 360.
I think $600-$650 is a good quess between the Xbox (~$520) and the Sony BR player ($1000).
(Console price)
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May I just point out something that seems to have escaped both sides of this argument? Euro price does not necessarily equal US dollar price. Even if the 500Eu price is final and correct, that does not mean it will come out at $600+ here to match through currency conversions. Could still be $500. (more likely $550, I'd guess) Europe often gets screwed on pricing like this, and it has nothing to do with tax structures. And Japan is usually higher still for game machines, just because they can.
It'll be funny to look back on this 2 years from now. You'll be able to pick up a BD player for $300-400, but the PS3 will still be at least $400. All this discussion is based on first month pricing of a brand new technology.
It'll be funny to look back on this 2 years from now. You'll be able to pick up a BD player for $300-400, but the PS3 will still be at least $400. All this discussion is based on first month pricing of a brand new technology.
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Originally Posted by Spiky
May I just point out something that seems to have escaped both sides of this argument? Euro price does not necessarily equal US dollar price.
It's going to be quite difficult to price the PS3 in line with the XBox 360 because of the BR drive ($200-$300 each) in the PS3. The XBox 360 has a DVD drive which costs < $20 each.
Sony's gamble is that BR takes off and the drives get cheaper.
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Back to topic (which, by the way, is "Blu-ray vs HD-DVD software pricing"), a new studio has de facto announced pricing for HD DVD titles:
There are three Universal titles (Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13) up for preorder on amazon, with a list price of $34.98.
There are three Universal titles (Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13) up for preorder on amazon, with a list price of $34.98.
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Originally Posted by Grubert
There are three Universal titles (Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13) up for preorder on amazon, with a list price of $34.98.
There are 30 HD-DVD titles listed including Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13, but it says they're not available for preorder yet.
BTW, here is the Blu-Ray list on Amazon
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Originally Posted by awmurray
How do you preorder them?
There are 30 HD-DVD titles listed including Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13, but it says they're not available for preorder yet.
BTW, here is the Blu-Ray list on Amazon
There are 30 HD-DVD titles listed including Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13, but it says they're not available for preorder yet.
BTW, here is the Blu-Ray list on Amazon
Total Recal, awesome..
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Blu-Ray has a way better line-up, imo. HD-DVD has nothing that I'd buy :/
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The titles available at DVD launch weren't too impressive either.
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Blu-Ray has a way better line-up, imo. HD-DVD has nothing that I'd buy :/
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Originally Posted by awmurray
But, you're the one who posted it. Here is the whole quote again:
I don't know about others, but I'm not going to go through all the trouble to actually find a PS3 to buy when at best (although extremely unlikely) it will cost the same as an HD-DVD player. And the HD-DVD player won't be in short supply and therefore won't have an inflated price due to lack of supply.
I would guess that this Christmas, we're going to see PS3s selling for $800-$1000 on places like eBay due to short supply.
I don't know about others, but I'm not going to go through all the trouble to actually find a PS3 to buy when at best (although extremely unlikely) it will cost the same as an HD-DVD player. And the HD-DVD player won't be in short supply and therefore won't have an inflated price due to lack of supply.
I would guess that this Christmas, we're going to see PS3s selling for $800-$1000 on places like eBay due to short supply.
But, to be fair we all have an advantage here. If you truly wanted a PS3 for whatever reason (most people are buying it for videogames afterall), there is no reason to track one down. Pre-Order ahead of time at a respectable place who will fullfill it.
Anyone at this site or such others who complains in 6 months that they didn't get one (you know it will happen). Well... It was no one's fault but their own. Especially after what happened last year. People should know better.
But, your point works for the mass public who doesn't visit sites like these or knows nothing about it.
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Originally Posted by AllHallowsEve
If you truly wanted a PS3 for whatever reason (most people are buying it for videogames afterall), there is no reason to track one down. Pre-Order ahead of time at a respectable place who will fullfill it.
The PS3 will probably be even tougher to get on it's release day. You won't be able to easily find them on store shelves until March at the earliest.
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Originally Posted by awmurray
How do you preorder them?
There are 30 HD-DVD titles listed including Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13, but it says they're not available for preorder yet.
BTW, here is the Blu-Ray list on Amazon
There are 30 HD-DVD titles listed including Serenity, Doom and Apollo 13, but it says they're not available for preorder yet.
BTW, here is the Blu-Ray list on Amazon
is this bollocks???amazon states theres no studio producing the title
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Originally Posted by Spyderz
LOTR on HD-DVD??!!
is this bollocks???
is this bollocks???
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Pre-ordering 6 months in advance at respectable places didn't help many people get a XBOX 360 at launch. There are some who finally go their pre-orders filled just last month (4 months after launch). High demand and short supply can be a killer.
The PS3 will probably be even tougher to get on it's release day. You won't be able to easily find them on store shelves until March at the earliest.
The PS3 will probably be even tougher to get on it's release day. You won't be able to easily find them on store shelves until March at the earliest.
I am pre-ordering two from different spots just to better my odd's. If I happen to get two, I will just sell one to a family member as several want one anyways.
That's another problem you will face. People buying 10 and 20.
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The format wars are over before they began IMO, since all PS3 games will be made in BR discs, movies for that format will also be made. Seems pretty simple to me?