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Originally Posted by JayHM
No need to wait. Just check out HBO HD.
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Guys im here to report its over. Playstation 3 will take 2006 and beyond. Blu Ray...HD games...fak jaa Toshiba :D
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
And you're wrong about them being in their kids rooms. A lot of the game market is the 18-30 year olds, many of whom are single and have their consoles set up in there main TV. Quite a few used the PS2 as a DVD player when it first came out. It saved them from having to drop $200-300 on a DVD player when they could just get the new Playstation and have a new game system and a DVD player for $300.
It will be similar with Blu-ray, and the main point people are making is the studios in a couple years will look and see however many PS3s have been sold, and know that there are at least that many blu-ray players in homes. And it's certain that PS3's alone will outnumber HD-DVD players if they even put them out. f course the drives in the PS2s are counted towards the total DVD drves, and you are right in saying that Sony will count the BR in every PS3 sold as a BR Drive, but I hardly think it is the truth. |
Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
You could very well be right. BUT I think that way too many people (mostly Sony fanboys) are just assuming that the PS3 will be the dominant machine for the next gen of VG consoles, and that is VERY VERY debatable. MS is going to have a big lead this time, and they are coming off of some very favorable opinions with their target audience. If MS can make Sony look like an also-ran like Sony did to Sega, then there could be a shift.
Of course Sony fanboys can't see past the little PS logos tattoed on their eyeballs to see that the future is not set. i don't think people are taking preorders, there's no charting whether the initial rush of 360 purchases will be first adopters, xbox fanatics or sony switchers. it's a big if. BIG if. IF! it's a big if to think MS can make the dominant console maker look like an also-ran. it can manage it perhaps for a few months before the ps3 hits, but once the ps3 hits, its all up for grabs. historically, i think building it first does not guarantee you anything. nintendo in the past has shown building it better and building it later can beat out building it first. (NES and SNES. maybe not so with the n64/GC). but in the end, buy a revolution. because dammit, you can play the original zelda on it. how hot is that?! oh, on topic, the fact that BRDVDs will play on the PS3 won't mean much. video games aren't exactly estranged to the idea of running off of proprietary media. it's a bonus to be sure, but i doubt the "i dont need a dvd player, i have a ps2" population is very large. |
The PS2 was a a lot of people's first DVD player. I remember hearing a sales clerk pitch it that way before Christmas when it came out. "Do you have a DVD player yet? Then PS2 is an even better value. Your son can play games and you can watch movies."
Do not underestimate the effect PS3 would have for Blu-Ray disk sales. I think it's a huge gamble on Microsoft's part, and while they will probably sell a lot of 360s regardless, I seem to remember Sega rushing out a next-gen console of their own to shore up market share too, only to wind up a gnat on the original Playstation's windshield. |
Originally Posted by Geist
I seem to remember Sega rushing out a next-gen console of their own to shore up market share too, only to wind up a gnat on the original Playstation's windshield.
sega has sonic, phantasy star, shining force (BEST GAMES EVER!!) and virtua fighter. how it is they could let SF and VF fade off into the sunset, while simultaneously destroying PS and boring us to tears with sonic, i'll never know. heck, even their sports games were supposed to be awesome. removed request for downloading copyrighted material |
Originally Posted by Geist
The PS2 was a a lot of people's first DVD player. I remember hearing a sales clerk pitch it that way before Christmas when it came out. "Do you have a DVD player yet? Then PS2 is an even better value. Your son can play games and you can watch movies."
Do not underestimate the effect PS3 would have for Blu-Ray disk sales. I think it's a huge gamble on Microsoft's part, and while they will probably sell a lot of 360s regardless, I seem to remember Sega rushing out a next-gen console of their own to shore up market share too, only to wind up a gnat on the original Playstation's windshield. 1. PS2 was first to market and is the least powerful machine so being firs can be a huge factor. 2. Most PS2s are hooked up to secondary TVs, not the big HD sets. 3. I am hoping the Nintendo pulls this one out their ass. oh, on topic, the fact that BRDVDs will play on the PS3 won't mean much. video games aren't exactly estranged to the idea of running off of proprietary media. it's a bonus to be sure, but i doubt the "i dont need a dvd player, i have a ps2" population is very large. |
Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
I agree. I am sure that 65-80% of PS2s are used for gaming and not for DVD playback. No matter what happens, Sony is in a great position, even if they have to play a few months of catch up. |
Regarding comments like:
Originally Posted by Geist
The PS2 was a lot of people's first DVD player.
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Things are looking grim for a unified format...
Matsushita Chief Says Next-Gen DVD Talks Are Dead Yoshiko Hara, EE Times, 23-May-2005 An effort to revive deadlocked talks aimed at unifying competing DVD standards has failed, according to the president ofMatsushita Electric. Kunio Nakamura said last week that the company will not budge from its insistence that a unified spec include a 0.1-mm cover layer. He emphasized that the Blu-ray Disc group's position has not changed and that the ball is now in rival Toshiba's court. Despite the breakdown of the unification talks on a next-generation DVD format earlier this week, there were signs during the week that a summit meeting involving Matsushita, Sony and Toshiba might revive the talks. Nakamura denied such a meeting is planned. According to a source close to the Blu-ray camp, the sides decided last weekend to seek a final management decision on whether to pursue unification talks. Neither side would yield, and the decision to end negotiations was announced in meetings earlier this week. Toshiba first proposed unification talks in early March, according to the source. A test balloon to adopt the HD DVD spec for the ROM format and the Blu-ray spec for recording formats was floated at an industry meeting. At the time, Toshiba seemed to be groping for a compromise that would satisfy both sides. While nearly all involved in the dispute agree that a unified standard is desirable, neither side appears willing to compromise on key technical points. For example, if 0.1-mm cover layer technology remains a precondition of a unification deal, as Sony and Matsushita insist, Toshiba would gain little and have a major problem persuading HD DVD backers to agree to a unification deal. Memory Tech Corp., a member of the HD DVD camp, for example, has been focusing on developing HD DVD disk production technologies. A unification deal would present the company a serious disadvantage if the next-generation disk used a 0.1-mm cover layer. While both sides claimed publicly to be ready to resume talks, observers agreed the unification effort is likely dead. If so, the HD DVD group will then begin making ROM products as early as possible in order to make the format a de facto industry standard for next-generation packaged media. |
and guess who will pay the price......
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Originally Posted by cajun_junky
and guess who will pay the price......
Seriously, there's no other reason to not sit back, wait for an HD format to win out, and enjoy films on DVD until then. |
These guys are idiots I tell you. Real idiots.
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F'em. Oh wait, I already said that. :D
I seriously think we all should email Toshiba. |
Got an email address? Time for some consumer feedback.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
F'em. Oh wait, I already said that. :D
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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...technologyNews
I think if Sony is smart, they will release the PS3 early - release BR DVD players to Japan and have the studio release a good amount of movies in BR - perhaps all of the ones that have already been released in Superbit should be release in HD and full DTS on BR by November. The fact is that with 2 layers, BR fits more than HD DVD If HD DVD wants more storage space it has to go to at least 3 layers and then there would be no savings since it wouldn't be compatable with current manufacturing equipment. But the more layers, the shorter the disc life using current technology. I can't say if the heaping technology they would use will be different or not. Scratches effect both technogies the same, you haven't scratched into the movie, you've effected the lasers ability to focus on the data beneath the surface as the scratch deflects a clear reading. Do you really think the studios and manufacturers will charge us any less if they had gone all HD or all BR? The war might actually benefit us as there would be competition between the formats so they will lower prices to try and establish a winner. Frankly I think we could have possibly gained some slightly better technology if there was a unification but I've waited long enough. Bring the battle to the streets! Three years of them trying to create a standard is long enough. I could have hundreds of HD DVDs right now if they hadn't taken so long to decide. Frankly I would care if hundreds of them were in a format that wasn't going to be the winner - it would still be better than the standard definition DVD I have now. |
People have to understand that Sony is a big company that likes to "stretch" the facts. If you go back just to their gaming platform with everything they said would be in their gaming machines and most didn't even surface. I remember the hype of the emotion engine was going to make characters lifelike and all the hype of the PS2 with the chip being hijacked for missle guidance. It's about competion. Without digging myself into getting labeled a Sony hater I don't see how they can really say that the new Playstation will have Blu-Ray. Business wise it makes sense to get everyone thinking that they are going to have Blu-Ray to negate the Microsoft product launching early. I may be wrong but knowing how much new tech equipment cost on launch would anyone really spend that much on a gaming system just for a format that may not be the standard? Also, would they even be able to keep up with production to keep up with products sold? Think back to the PS2 shortage and that was with existing hardware other than the chips. Sony at least has Nvidia and IBM chips now that are readily available but I just don't see how they will be able to keep up production of the players. Again, not an expert but I have a hard time seeing it. Can someone help me see the light?
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Game systems are sold at a big lost, they make their profits on games. Like Razors are cheap and they make up for it selling the blades.
The PS3 will most likely launch at $299.99 (same price the PS2 launched at). Worst case I see is $399.99, but I think that's pretty unlikely. |
HD-DVD and BluRay will both go the way of laserdisc.
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Originally Posted by Cocopugg
HD-DVD and BluRay will both go the way of laserdisc.
That is what you meant, isn't it? ;) |
Originally Posted by Cocopugg
HD-DVD and BluRay will both go the way of laserdisc.
Laserdisc was a good step up but wasn't geared towards any finalized product which an HD DVD format would be. |
The question is how quick it will move to HD.
HD will be dominant at some point in time, that could well be a decade or more away. Over the air broadcasts may be all HD by then, but most people have satellite and cable anyway and will still be able to get SD signal for a long time. Given how many people I know with their DVD players hooked up to crappy TV's that look to be 10 years or more old, I'm not really expecting the Joe Six Packs to be beating down retailers doors to get an HD set anytime soon. Especially not until their at least as cheap as comperable size and quality SD sets are right now. |
I don't know if this has been posted before but I thought the following might be of interest: http://www.avrev.com/news/0905/08.dualplayer.html
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Interesting article, but that's kind of a double edged sword because even if you do have a universal player, who's to say the format you bought of the movie isn't the one that loses the format war?
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