Yes, because EE Times has always been known for being in the back pocket of Sony. :rolleyes:

I would say I'm disappointed, but these meaningless posts have become your calling card as of late, have they not? Why not try to add to the conversation instead following Hinkle like a lemming? Taking a dig at me shows nothing except your ignorance of the situation at hand.

I'm not really interested in getting into a war of personal attacks with you. I simply don't appreciate your attitude towards what was intended to be a harmless post to begin with in the other thread, and your tendency to post in a way that belittles others. Your post here seems to support that assessment. I'm willing to bet you haven't noticed one other post from me, so no, I don't have a calling card, but the swipe back was deserved so I'll take it.

I don't see anything wrong with agreeing with Hinkle. I too, have little interest beyond the current DVD technology at this time, but being primairly a PC guy, the actions of Microsoft in these situations are newsworthy to me, and I read that particular news bit before I checked out this thread. Especially since I'm interested in figuring out what will be in my PC this time next year. Sorry for not adding a more personal twist like your post a couple posts up :)

This is true, but Microsoft doesn't give a shit because they can throw around their monopolistic power illegally and get away with it. I was hoping the FTC would break Microsoft into 2 separate companies while they had the chance. They stifle all sorts of innovation...

The Netscape thing is one example... they just destroy something then pay a paltry fine for their illegal activities.

Another example, is the blatant copyright/license infringement against Sun with Java/J2EE which Microsoft (again) illegally stole/modified. They created a proprietary product(s) out of it and called it stuff like "J sharp" and "C sharp". The stolen J2EE became .NET. So Java/J2EE illegally became C#/.NET. The price to Microsoft? A paltry $20 million settlement. Now they can compete with Sun for a measly $20 million investment. Again stifling innovation. Always tying everything so it only runs on Windows.

Another example is the whole anti-trust lawsuit that Micrsoft lost against the EU.

It sounds like something similar may be going on with HD-DVD and Microsoft.

Hmmm. It sounds like they're running Windows.

That's exactly what they want. Microsoft is constantly trying to remove support for Java from Windows, etc.. Once they steal something they have to destroy the original. Microsoft is 100% dedicated to destroy anything Java related because code written in Java is not OS specific and therefore doesn't have to run on Windows.

Don't think for a second that Microsoft doesn't want to become the "telephone company for the living room".

Sony might not be angels, but they're not from the same level of hell as Microsoft.

The recent DRM issues with Sony CDs would say otherwise.

Exactly.

And Sony wants just as badly to be the "telephone company of the living room."

Both companies eventually want to have a settop box that plays their games, hd movies, has tivo features etc.

And both will do anything to get to that point and beat the other.

I wasn't aware that Sony was out there buying support for Blu-Ray. Please, enlighten me.

They're lucky and in a position where they don't have to. If it was reversed, and HD-DVD was getting the lead, Sony would be out their buying support just like MS is now.

Big companies do whatever it takes to win. What's so hard to understand? And it's not negative.

I have nothing against sony. Hell I currently own a PS2, a Sony TV a Sony surround sound receiver and speaker system, a sony DVD player, a Sony CD play and a Sony Discman. And likewise I also own an X-box, use Windows XP and Microsoft Office every day.

They're both big companies doing what it takes to make the most money possible, Sony has the advantage in the high def DVD arena, so MS is more desperate and doing more to catch up. Nothing wrong with that, and nothing that Sony wouldn't be trying to do if in their shoes.

I'm surprised Michael Moore hasn't made a movie about MS yet.

So you're argument is, that you assume Sony would react the same way, even though they currently are not, nor have they in the past with previous media formats. Hell of a convincing argument you're making there.

-ohbfrank-

If we could please leave the assumptions behind, and stick with the facts, CES starts in just over a week and Sony is going to officially announce Blu-Ray. Is there any similar conference going on at either CES or at another venue?

When did this become slashdot?

I guess you don't realize that .NET code is not OS specific.

It also sounds like you don't know how .NET works. I could be wrong but with the crazy stuff you're saying, who knows.

It's a fair assumption as all big companies go to any length to make a profit.

And sony has shown themselves more than willing to fuck over consumers in the process with the DRM on their latest CDs.

One's just as bad as the other, and the assumption is by no means a stretch for most reasonble people.

-ohbfrank-

So I guess Microsoft has just been unlucky when they get fined for unfair business practices and monopolistic activity. Over and over. :rolleyes:

And Sony BGM is not the same operation as Sony Computer Entertainment or Sony Electronics.

I'm not aware of a CLR that runs on any UNIX platform.... or for that matter, any non Windows platform... For that matter, why would anyone want to? If they did, they'd just wind up with Java. Re-inventing the wheel.

From The Code Project:

Basically.

Microsoft basically set it up but wants us to make the final step.

The main thing I like about .NET is being able to have different people use different programming languages on the same project. I haven't had that experience yet but if it was ever needed it would be nice.

I took a class that was basically a class on how .NET works on the inside and some command line type programming along with making web programs like services. The last week was making GUI which was fine with me because who needs to spend a lot of time on that.

That was the most useful programming class I had ever taken since we learned a lot about what it is and what it can do instead of going off of some book like Learn Programming in 24 Hours like other classes.

I remeber in one of my other classes we were talking about .NET and since I took that other class, I was a little more familiar with the insides than the teacher was. I mentioned that there was some group trying to get Perl up and running with .NET and this guy in the class went insane for the next few weeks in class on how it wasn't possible and he called Microsoft last night and some other large software developers and they confirmed what he was talking about.

Those were the days.

Guys, I'd suggest that you keep the comments directed at the topic and drop the digs at each other.

So by your logic, Sony should be hated since their software (either Columbia or SCE) will only run on their system, BR or PSx.

Believe me Sony is no angel and neither is Microsoft.

Is anyone posting in this thread whose name isn't Josh? :)

There worse. As Josh said, just look at their latest DRM issues. Not to mention every piece of Sony hardware I've ever owned was a poorly made piece of crap.

I've sworn Sony off for good, except for their DVDs. I only buy those out of a necessity to own those particular films.

Kind of funny since I'd prefer Blu-Ray win. Either way, when I do buy a hi-def DVD player, it won't be a Sony brand.

As for Microsoft, I would have ditched them a long time ago. But I do not like Linux and Macs are too expensive for my tastes. That said, I don't use Windows Media Player or Internet Explorer. I use Firefox instead and I used media players such as Media Player Classic, Zoom Player, and BSPlayer.

[QUOTE=Terrell] Not to mention every piece of Sony hardware I've ever owned was a poorly made piece of crap.[QUOTE]

Well, the "hardware" that I've bought from Sony has been quite good, particularly the TVs...and the picture quality has been second to none.

You are probably in the minority on this; and a very small minority.

Stick it to the man (oops, you didn't)! :lol:

Hardly. Go to any hardware forum and look for posts on Sony. In pretty much any product category, their merchandise is notorious for breaking down shortly after the warranty expires, as if specifically engineered for that purpose.

Once upon a time, decades ago, Sony was renowned for high quality Japanese electronics. But around the late 80s/early 90s the company went through a major shift in direction and is now equated with high prices and mediocre quality.

Sony is the Bose of anything that Bose doesn't do.

:thumbsup:

I only buy Denon and Sony for the most part and my Sony gear has been problem free, some for years. Two of my three HD sets are Sony and as usual, blow away the PQ of other brands I've tried. My new Wega numbs the mind.

The only sony items I've had problems with were a discman several years back that crapped out after a couple years, and a boombox I bought last year that stopped playing cds after 6 months.

Other than that I've been very pleased with my Wega TV, receiver, speakers, newer discman etc.

I just don't think they're by anymeans an angel corporation, nor any better than MS. Just a typical big company only out for their bottomline.

Yeesh. At least try to make seem like you know what the hell you're talking about. .NET has *nothing* like the stupidity that is J2EE. ASP.NET is *nothing* like the junk that is JSP. And do you really think that a .NET remote component resembles anything like an EJB? Do you even know what an EJB is?

Fuck, if you're stupid enough to think that C# is a ripoff of Java, maybe the C++ consortium should sue Java for ripping them off! LOL.

And there's the Mono project. I'll let you look that up. Maybe you know how to use Google.

<b>Mod Note: Take your tone down a notch, thanks</b>