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lotsofdvds 01-04-06 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by matome
Raven56706 just posted the link to the Toshiba HD-DVD player preorder for $500 at Crutchfield.

That sure is a bulky machine!

Josh H 01-04-06 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by lotsofdvds
That sure is a bulky machine!

Indeed. I'm also hoping the technology will improve, and shrink, by the time it's in my budget.

The early DVD players were bulky as well.

taa455 01-04-06 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by lotsofdvds
That sure is a bulky machine!

I was thinking that too. Looks reminiscent of the 80s VHS machines. :lol:

joshd2012 01-04-06 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Yup...noticed that :)

That's it then. The war is over. How does Toshiba not only bet on using a smaller disc capacity and lower resolution and expect to win this war?

DthRdrX 01-04-06 01:40 PM

I havn't read anything about Toshiba having or not having 1080p. I do know that player has been worked on for so long that Sony may not have even added 1080p to the spec when the prototype was finished. Let's wait and see offerings from other companies.

lotsofdvds 01-04-06 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by joshd2012
That's it then. The war is over. How does Toshiba not only bet on using a smaller disc capacity and lower resolution and expect to win this war?

Probably because only 6 people have TVs that output at 1080p. Maybe they're betting on those who have 720p/1080i sets and that they'll be the ones to spend more money.

Adam Tyner 01-04-06 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by joshd2012
Only 720p output? Blu-Ray is already promising 1080p!

Yeah, but you're comparing a $500 HD-DVD player to an $1800 Blu-Ray player. (Samsung's BD-P1000 is to be $1000, but the press release only mentions 720p and 1080i; the specs/prices of other Blu-Ray players have yet to be announced.)

joshd2012 01-04-06 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
Yeah, but you're comparing a $500 HD-DVD player to an $1800 Blu-Ray player. (Samsung's BD-P1000 is to be $1000, but the press release only mentions 720p and 1080i; the specs/prices of other Blu-Ray players have yet to be announced.)

Hmm... I guess Samsung aimed low but not low enough to compete with Toshiba's player. Doesn't make sense to downconvert to content - to me - but I guess that is where they wanted to go with it. I'm more happy to see we will have a player to uses full resolution at launch.

digitalfreaknyc 01-04-06 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
Yeah, but you're comparing a $500 HD-DVD player to an $1800 Blu-Ray player. (Samsung's BD-P1000 is to be $1000, but the press release only mentions 720p and 1080i; the specs/prices of other Blu-Ray players have yet to be announced.)

huh. well...i won't be spending THAT much. once it hits $500...it's mine.

joshd2012 01-04-06 03:11 PM

Apparently, that is the ELITE player, so I imagine the regular non-ELITE version should be less.

eau 01-04-06 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
Yeah, but you're comparing a $500 HD-DVD player to an $1800 Blu-Ray player. (Samsung's BD-P1000 is to be $1000, but the press release only mentions 720p and 1080i; the specs/prices of other Blu-Ray players have yet to be announced.)

What types of display support true 1080p? Most of the plasmas and LCD TVs I've seen has somewhere about 768 horizontal lines -confused-

digitalfreaknyc 01-04-06 04:25 PM

New displays are 1080p. Mine is actually 1080i. But i'd rather have them thinking ahead than present.

DthRdrX 01-04-06 04:54 PM

Best Buy Hd-dvd Pre-order

OldBoy 01-04-06 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by DthRdrX

$500 ain't bad huh? with those formats listed which is the standard DVD format? and does this mean it is backward compatible? and is this assuming both HD-DVD formats will be available?

DthRdrX 01-04-06 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by scott1598
$500 ain't bad huh? with those formats listed which is the standard DVD format? and does this mean it is backward compatible? and is this assuming both HD-DVD formats will be available?

It will play both dvd and HD-dvd. Yes, it looks like they are actually going to release both formats.

Adam Tyner 01-04-06 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by eau
What types of display support true 1080p? Most of the plasmas and LCD TVs I've seen has somewhere about 768 horizontal lines -confused-

Some LCDs. New DLPs and SXRDs. Upcoming plasmas. Soon-to-be-launched SEDs.

digitalfreaknyc 01-04-06 06:31 PM

The big question is (amongst others)...will retailers stock both blu-ray and hd-dvd?

fitprod 01-04-06 06:50 PM

I find it interesting that the player does not support DVD-Audio. Maybe it a mistake on Best Buys website.

fitprod

DthRdrX 01-04-06 09:22 PM

Gate's Keynote speech: X-box 360 EXTERNAL HD-dvd drive is coming.

Josh H 01-04-06 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by fitprod
I find it interesting that the player does not support DVD-Audio. Maybe it a mistake on Best Buys website.

fitprod


Doesn't suprise me much. A lot of newer dvd players still don't support DVD-Audio. So it wouldn't shock me if the first gen of hd players don't.

Grubert 01-05-06 09:23 AM

Following is one of the best non-professional summations I've read in a while (by JBlacklow at avs):


It's not going to be launch times, which Toshiba squandered a year's worth of. It's not going to be launch hardware prices, since spring and summer are not the holiday season. It might not even be launch titles, although Universal joining BDA gives them 100% studio coverage. This war will come down to holiday 2006. Given Microsoft's co-opting of HD DVD from Toshiba (less generous folks may call it a takeover) we witnessed last night, it looks like we're in for a rough format war that may doom both formats. Of course, Bill Gates has been pushing for non-physical media for a while, and prolonging the format war to eventually kill them both off is in his best interests. You gotta hand it to the man, he's more forward-thinking then some of us give him credit for.
So if we buy into HD-DVD, we are supporting a format whose prime current promoter wants that format to disappear, and who ultimately and inexorably will pull the plug on it as soon as it is possible to market a new, intangible format.

Hence, if we want a disc format to survive at all in the mid term, we shouldn't be duped by HD-DVD low player prices. That would be a very false economy.

My $0.02.

jmj713 01-05-06 09:32 AM


Some LCDs. New DLPs and SXRDs. Upcoming plasmas. Soon-to-be-launched SEDs.
Which is why I currently don't have a widecreen TV. I have no clue which one to get, it's way too confusing. I'll get one in a year or two, when there's some sort of standard.

DthRdrX 01-05-06 09:33 AM

Pretty much true Grubert. Gates is like Darth Sidious isn't he? He wants optical discs out, digital media servers in, and Microsoft to control it all.

Grubert 01-05-06 10:03 AM

Another interesting article


[...]
It seems that Microsoft is now looking ahead and betting on digital convergence, in which home audio, home theater, and home computing become one appliance. Microsoft’s view of the future and the distribution vector for high-definition content is the downloading of films over the Internet via high-speed connections to the home, likely to a media server that can distribute content whole-home via a local area network. But it will take time to get the studios onboard and to put sufficient infrastructure in place to achieve critical mass.

This suggests that it’s in Microsoft’s best interest to exacerbate and prolong the format war, causing enough consumer confusion (and disgust?) that neither Blu-ray Disc nor HD DVD triumph in the marketplace. Microsoft could then sweep in with an alternative that smacks of Pay Per View and DIVX.

That is not a home theater software distribution scheme I can embrace. Our only hope is that reason prevails, there is a prompt and decisive format winner, and we can then begin to collect (with luck, for the last time) our favorite movies, this time in high definition.

Tracer Bullet 01-05-06 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by joshd2012
That's it then. The war is over. How does Toshiba not only bet on using a smaller disc capacity and lower resolution and expect to win this war?

Couldn't you have said the same thing about Betamax/VHS? VHS was the inferior format, yet it dominated.


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