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Old 08-13-19, 09:36 AM
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Old 08-13-19, 10:14 AM
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If you feel strongly about this ad, please write in here: https://forum.dvdtalk.com/sendmessage.php
That form generates emails that I can then send to sales to show them that they really need to stop doing this.
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You would have thought the uproar last year over the DVDTalk sponsored ripping software would have done the trick... guess not. Point the sales team to that thread and the current ones.
I agree. It seems shocking that the sales team would need any reminder after that debacle. After that incident, in this thread I pushed for sales team policies to change. It appears that fell on deaf ears. Here's a quote from me in that thread that seems rather applicable now:
I'm mainly interested in whether you have advocated on our behalf that the sales team change their policy going forward to have standards that align with forum content rules for what contracts they will sign in the future. I get how the current situation arose, but it should be something that informs a different policy going forward.
IBJoel, in that thread you said this:
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I'll say they've gotten an earful and leave it at that. So hopefully, we don't have to change the forum rules. But I agree that should it happen again, there should be some re-wording on the rules page.
It has happened again. Are we going to re-word the rules or not?
Old 08-13-19, 10:16 AM
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That DVDFab ad sure looks sponsored and not Google generated...
Old 08-13-19, 12:02 PM
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I agree. It seems shocking that the sales team would need any reminder after that debacle. After that incident, in this thread I pushed for sales team policies to change. It appears that fell on deaf ears. Here's a quote from me in that thread that seems rather applicable now:


IBJoel, in that thread you said this:


It has happened again. Are we going to re-word the rules or not?
I'm talking to our business lead about it.
Old 08-13-19, 03:42 PM
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The other thread was locked. I really don't care all THAT much, but if I were still a DVD Talk reviewer I sure would, as if a studio sees that, the screeners (already thin, from what I've heard) are going to stop.
Is DVD piracy still even a concern?

I think that 99.99% of the people who are going to use a ripper are just going to use it back-up their own DVDs and possibly transfter them to a HTPC.

If someone wants to pirate a movie, there a easier ways to do it these days.

Old 08-13-19, 05:29 PM
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Re: Song of the South

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Is DVD piracy still even a concern?

I think that 99.99% of the people who are going to use a ripper are just going to use it back-up their own DVDs and possibly transfter them to a HTPC.

If someone wants to pirate a movie, there a easier ways to do it these days.
Yeah, I was thinking that myself. I'll freely admit that I used to copy DVDs from time to time (with free software) but that was over a decade ago. It seems like ancient history to me now, ripping DVDs seems so quaint. Honestly, I have way too much stuff to watch on the streaming services I subscribe to now, I don't need to rip anything.
Old 08-14-19, 06:14 AM
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Re: Song of the South

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man View Post
Is DVD piracy still even a concern?

I think that 99.99% of the people who are going to use a ripper are just going to use it back-up their own DVDs and possibly transfter them to a HTPC.

If someone wants to pirate a movie, there a easier ways to do it these days.
Speaking as a consumer, no. Speaking as a studio person/rep., it's one of the things that irks them to no end.
Old 08-30-19, 11:21 AM
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Re: Song of the South

Since the Ad for DVD piracy thread was locked, and the DVD piracy ads have been a staple on the forum for the last full month at this point, I think we can all assume that discussing DVD/Blu-ray/UHD piracy is A-ok by forum standards now.

The ONLY ads I EVER see at the top of every page here are the DVDFab ads and "DVD Ripper" ads. So discussing these topics must be fine.

Thank you, DVDTalk. I look forward to the friendly discussion of piracy going forward.
Old 08-30-19, 11:32 AM
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Yep, I've seen those ads at the top of every....damn....page for over a month now. Blaming them on Google is obviously not the case at all. So hey let's talk piracy! Hey, you guys remember DVD Shrink?
Old 08-30-19, 11:35 AM
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The ripper/fab ads are 100% not Google generated. It's very easy to tell the difference.
Old 08-30-19, 11:55 AM
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Yes I totally agree, but that's the excuse we were originally given.
Old 08-30-19, 11:58 AM
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I guess the "sales team" forgot that paid ads for (technically) illegal ripping software is a no no on this site per its own rules.
Old 08-30-19, 12:17 PM
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Guys, please read through this entire thread. These sales contracts were created without my knowledge and I have spoken with our business lead, but the current contracts must be honored. The rules remain the same.
Old 08-30-19, 12:21 PM
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Does whoever signs these contracts not understand that ripping software is not allowed on this site or are they accepting contracts from anyone who's willing to advertise?

In other words, could we start seeing ads for guns/tobacco because some business thought it would be beneficial to advertise here?
Old 08-30-19, 12:31 PM
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Plain and simple: If a company can advertise Product/Service in Category X on this site, then it is completely illogical to suggest that users of the forum of this site cannot have conversations about Products, Services, or Category X.

If I want to talk about "business cards" because I see an ad at the bottom of the page that says "50% off business cards!", then I should be free to do so. It might not garner much discussion because... who cares about business cards.

If someone can advertise business card services, I should be able to talk about business cards.

If someone can advertise DVD ripping software, I should be able to talk about DVD ripping software.


I get that "contracts must be honored!" but as long as they're being honored, then the topics or categories of those advertisements should not be banned during that duration of time.
Old 08-30-19, 12:34 PM
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Does whoever signs these contracts not understand that ripping software is not allowed on this site or are they accepting contracts from anyone who's willing to advertise?

In other words, could we start seeing ads for guns/tobacco because some business thought it would be beneficial to advertise here?
The advertising team weighs different factors when determining contacts, one of which is product applicability to the site. That said, no one from sales is in the forums. Their information about the site comes from us and metrics. When that is ignored, it is beyond my power to make those calls, but I have spoken to the person who can.

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Old 08-30-19, 12:40 PM
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Plain and simple: If a company can advertise Product/Service in Category X on this site, then it is completely illogical to suggest that users of the forum of this site cannot have conversations about Products, Services, or Category X.

If I want to talk about "business cards" because I see an ad at the bottom of the page that says "50% off business cards!", then I should be free to do so. It might not garner much discussion because... who cares about business cards.

If someone can advertise business card services, I should be able to talk about business cards.

If someone can advertise DVD ripping software, I should be able to talk about DVD ripping software.


I get that "contracts must be honored!" but as long as they're being honored, then the topics or categories of those advertisements should not be banned during that duration of time.
There has been no policy change of the forum rules.
Old 08-30-19, 03:06 PM
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There has been no policy change of the forum rules.
Except for IB itself.

I get that the IB sales staff handles all IB sites not just DVDTalk and may not be privy to specific forum rules. But after the dust up last year over the SPONSORED ripping software... it should have been clear to the sales staff that ripping ads aren't allowed on DVDTalk. Guess not.
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The original ban on discussions of ripping software and other piracy was created because the site owner Geoff wanted to remain on good terms with the intellectual property owners, the DVD companies. Maybe IB doesn't care what Disney, Warner, or Sony think. Maybe the big IP companies don't care as much about people ripping DVDs anymore. Maybe this place is like Gormenghast, with lots of old rules that no longer make sense.
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Except for IB itself.

I get that the IB sales staff handles all IB sites not just DVDTalk and may not be privy to specific forum rules. But after the dust up last year over the SPONSORED ripping software... it should have been clear to the sales staff that ripping ads aren't allowed on DVDTalk. Guess not.
The thing is, any given sales person shouldn't have to know. For all we know, the entire sales staff might have turned over since then. And it really doesn't matter that none of them are on this forum to have some sort of tribal knowledge about our rules. What there should be is a clearly documented and enforced policy that every sales person follows. It really shouldn't be that hard. How is it that the sales staff doesn't sell sponsored ads for pornographic DVDs, for example? Presumably there are ad categories that they are not allowed to sell, per policy. Why isn't DVD ripping software part of that policy by now??

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For what it's worth, I am no longer seeing the ads...at least not today.
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^ The contract must be over with the start of the new month. I hope promoting piracy for a month was worth it to keep this ship afloat.
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The thing is, any given sales person shouldn't have to know. For all we know, the entire sales staff might have turned over since then. And it really doesn't matter that none of them are on this forum to have some sort of tribal knowledge about our rules. What there should be is a clearly documented and enforced policy that every sales person follows. It really shouldn't be that hard. How is it that the sales staff doesn't sell sponsored ads for pornographic DVDs, for example? Presumably there are ad categories that they are not allowed to sell, per policy. Why isn't DVD ripping software part of that policy by now??
As I am not part of the sales team, I do not have a say on what their specific policies are, but do offer feedback from you guys and my personal feelings on it (since I handle editorial and therefore liaise with studios, I have an interest in this as well).
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As I am not part of the sales team, I do not have a say on what their specific policies are, but do offer feedback from you guys and my personal feelings on it (since I handle editorial and therefore liaise with studios, I have an interest in this as well).
I do appreciate your attempts to emphasize the importance of this issue to the sales team. FWIW, my little rant there wasn't directed at you - I know you're doing what you can. It was directed at the sales staff and their management.
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So I heard back from our head of sales. Official corporate policy is that we do not advertise tobacco and pornography, although advertisement does not equal endorsement. She will be speaking with all our reps to avoid this occurring in the future.

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