PerryD

But stating Trump is a white supremacist is just an opinion, well more of a delusional opinion, than a fact. That's the main problem with the Political Forum, it's full blown Trump Derangement Syndrome there. They want to have free reign to call Trump a Nazi, Trump supporters white supremacists, MAGA hats are KKK hoods, etc. They say nasty racist stuff about black conservatives, nasty sexist/misogynist comments about female conservatives, nasty gay comments about Trump & Putin, Trump & McConnell, etc. The same people here crying about trolling in the Political Forum were the first to jump into the Bush 41 Obituary thread and spew hate and lies about him, but it's okay because if Hitler died, we wouldn't gloss over his atrocities, right? You pushed out all the conservatives that were willing to discuss the topics with your hate and attacks, now you are stuck with DVDP and Grundle.

Supermallet

GhostLee

And PerryD didn't say you specifically did that. Even if you haven't posted anything racist or sexist (I'm not going to search through your posts), that doesn't invalidate his point. I don't think it would take too much to find racist or sexist posts against conservatives if a person was inclined to look for them.

Even leaving racism and sexism out of it, there was a post about the Covington High School students asking "Where's a school shooting when you need one?" and not only is that poster (and the post, I think) still around, they evidently didn't suffer any consequences other than being called out by one or two other members - and they weren't the only poster calling for violence.

Supermallet

PerryD

Trump retweeting a Meme that uses a star symbol does not imply white supremacy, since the tweet was clearly just making fun of Hillary, I don't think Trump is clever/subtle enough to try to hide some meaning in a star shape. All of this Trump is dog-whistling to white supremacist stuff is just silly. Just like it makes sense that Covington basketball players flash a white power sign after making a three point basket, rather than accepting that they are using a standard symbol for making a 3 pointer that NBA and college players use. It's just delusional.

You claim to be Jewish, but don't accept that Trump's daughter is Jewish? When the "Fine people on both sides" comment was posted here, I went and watched the entire interview and to me he clearly was talking about both sides of the Confederate Statues issue. Why in the heck would Trump side with anti-semitic groups and someone who killed a protester? If you can deal with this cognitive dissonance, then we can perhaps have a rational discussion.

I've said before that I'm not a fan of Trump, and I didn't vote for him, but holy cow you guys are nuts with the dictator/Nazi/Hitler comments. I couldn't get the mods to deal with those generalizations, so what is the point of trying to discuss real issues in that forum? I just gave up as did many other conservative posters before me.

Supermallet

joeblow69

Well I suggest that you remove these, then, because they CLEARLY seem to be only useful in calling out trolls:
-notrolls-
:notrolls:

Dan

Sorry in advance for the massive multi-quotes. I'll keep it short.
Like pretty much everywhere else on the internet in 2019, Politics is the most active subforum. Without it, there's far less ad revenue. With far less ad revenue, they have to resort to "sponsored posts" or shutting it ALL down. I'm not saying DVDTalk is in a dire circumstance (I won't pretend to know anything about what's going on on the back end), but this is the pattern in many other places online, so I'm assuming DVDTalk is only moderately different.
edit: I know you just want the Adult forum back, though

I think there's more than you think, but I don't disagree about your other thoughts that much to be honest. The problem is, when you're talking about politics - things that directly impact peoples' lives, especially minorities or marginalized people - it's hard not to get frustrated when some folks are repeatedly dismissive of the core arguments, choosing instead to obfuscate or derail discussions that start to make progress. This is one of the fundamental issues with text-based discussion in general, IMO.

The issue has never been about differing opinions. The issue is with "let's agree to disagree" when we're talking about peoples' safety in their own towns. You're in Portland, and have to deal with knowing that there are some of those proud boys in and around the area, stirring shit up because that's entirely their purpose. My heart goes out to you man, and seeing other people dismiss that group as harmless trolls or even victims themselves is such fucking bullshit.

Agreed. His point was succinct and necessary.

I agree with everything you said there.

I'll push back on this only to say that I don't necessarily blame the mods and admins here. I truly think they're doing the best they can with the information and set of rules that they have. The problem is that people who are professional trolls (And I don't mean that to mean they're getting paid, but that they, as human beings, take some amount of pride in trying to get a rise out of anonymous people online) know exactly how to stay within the official site rules while getting others to cross the line. And this isn't just a far-right issue; there was at least one poster who exhibited many left-leaning ideas, who was very obviously doing the exact same thing. It was called out a few times, but I don't think action was ever taken. But again... it's because these people are aware of how to navigate the rules, knowing how to get others to break one so they don't have to. The solution, I think, is to recognize the behaviors, and not just the rule breaking. But that's extremely difficult, because anyone suspended for their behavior will take offense ("Show me where I broke a rule!" and all that).

There are a handful that partake in honest, reasonable discussion who I still genuinely disagree with, just as there are a handful that are clearly either unwilling or wholly incapable of forming an argument without exhibiting specific fallacious behaviors. Some will just say things like, "So you think I'm a Nazi! Nothing left to talk about!" Some will spout off strawmen or ad homs over and over. Some will ask for details on a point, then when someone responds at great length, they cherry-pick one small aspect and dismiss it, acting as if that dismisses the entire argument. Again, "both sides" and all that, but it becomes a bigger issue as people push far right ideas and acting like it's just a difference of opinion and "we can just agree to disagree." My thing, personally, was coming to the realization that "agree to disagree" is something that we tell ourselves when we believe politics is all just a thought experiment, and that real lives aren't at stake. We can agree to disagree about the best Marvel movie, or pizza toppings... but it's naive to think that agreeing to disagree is in any way beneficial to marginalized groups who face opposition to their human rights.

tl;dr - as to the issue that caused this thread...

Needless to say, so am I.

E Unit

I honestly think DVDP should be marked as a Political Exile as well. So many have sided one way or another without resorting to the level of trolling that he does.

maxfisher

DVD Josh

I have zero issues with Supermallet personally but I have no idea why he can't just either 1) block the offending users or 2) simply not visit the Politics forum or 3) contact the mods/admins privately or 4) just walk away. This public thread is the worst way to go about it.

Cardsfan111

This is it exactly. And I believe there are few innocent parties when it comes to what takes place in that forum.

Like it or not, I find it hard to argue with this sound advice.

cultshock

True but let's see how that works out for IB when one or two problem posters that continue to be tolerated cause other posters to leave in disgust or end up getting banned by telling the trolls what they really think of them (which I'll admit I am coming close to doing). Does this site really want to lose even more longtime posters at this point? Hasn't enough damage been done to this place already?

DVD Polizei

To the bold.

I do not defend Fascists, and I have also been very critical of Republicans, Fox News, etc.

However, I also respect your opinion, which is rather unlike you do toward me.

I suppose you have no issues with Freshman who verbally attack Jews, either? I'd like to hear your comments on Omar in the Politics Forum. She made comments about Jews worse than Trump in my opinion, and yet you've said nothing about her from what I've read. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The world has a wide variety of opinions, and many of them I don't like, either. However, I don't run around with a stick, wanting to beat anyone who doesn't "see my way of things".I feel sorry you are somehow tormented by some dude online that posts things you don't like.

If this post is called Trolling, then we all need to be banned and DVD Talk needs to shut down.

Also, I remember many of those who were leaving DVD Talk, and the same posters here said, "Fine, don't let the door hit you on the way out!"

I see just opposite comments now.

If you seriously get triggered by my comments, just ignore me. I do the same on many occasions for posters.

GhostLee

I'm with the posters above. I'm hoping this thread isn't just an effort to get others banned, but specifically naming other posters (including a banned member) makes me wonder - and I hope the mods/admins don't go there. There are posters on both ends of the political spectrum whose posts are of questionable value, but I'm not going to name them and ask the mods for some type of action.

mspmms

Appears to me that is exactly what he is attempting - if not that it is a "call to arms" for others to actively pursue and get in line to have another DVD Talk member banned.

DVD Polizei

Explain and give examples of this "trolling". Just because you do not want to hear another side to political views...is not justification to request members be banned so you don't have to read those other comments.

I don't think you're aware what this term is, come to think of it. If I'm irritated with your comments, can I call you a troll and request you be banned? Because that's exactly the kind of level of discussion you're digressing to. I would hope we're adults and we can tolerate and respect each others' views, and just ignore move on to other commentary if we don't like it.

That fair or am I trolling once again.

joeblow69

I agree, but in this case, I 1000% agree with that pursuit.

It doesn't help to block people that post bullshit all the time, because people constantly feel the need to argue about the bullshit, and then it keeps going on and on and on...

andicus

PerryD

Is it possible that this is a joke because of the homophone ?

​​​​​​Do you remember several pages of discussion in the Trump thread whether it was acceptable to call Kelly Anne Conway a c*nt? Everybody participated in that one, because it's okay to label people on the right with hate speech.

E Unit

Well goodness he speaks. I've been here long enough to know exactly what the term is. And you bait them, clear and simple. Yet when they challenge you on something, you mysteriously disappear for a while, and never respond.

mspmms

How about the brazzers memes posted of her in the meme thread

And it was not just her, remember what some DVD members were saying about Nancy Regan - should we remind a few members of the things said about Nikki Haley in the forum too?

Supermallet

DVD Polizei

Is the word whore prohibited from being uttered on this website? If so...I won't use it then. Problem solved, right? Don't allow the word to be used by any DVD Talk member, ever on any part of the website. I'm sure that's a common-sense approach to your argument. Oh wait, it's just DVD P who cant call people names, but the name-calling can go on for other members about Republican women, and you give them a pass.

How about all of us in the Teacher Sex With Student thread, and in many other posts on this website discussed about women in a "not-so-pretty" way.

In fact, what if I typed in the word 'whore"...I wonder what I would come up with.

495 threads.

And you are calling me out on 1 of them?

You have 494 more to alert the mods on.

DVD Polizei

And if you look at my posts I respond with a lot more content, and I continually get retorted with a few sentences. So yeah, of course I leave after providing links or coming up with other examples where common sense has no place, and criticism needs to be recognized instead of unconditional loyalty to only a handful of members who post on a regular basis, high-fiving each other, one post after another. Shall we visit the meme threads? The Trump threads? Pretty sure it's easy to find such collective mindsets.

I choose to leave a discussion when I want. Everyone else has that exact same option. In fact, I was told (and other members) to leave discussions when and if I didn't want to participate. IBJoel even said it. Other mods have said that, I think as well.

What do you consider as bait. You saying they aren't adult and mature enough to know how to collectively respond to heated discussions? Again, if you can't take the criticisms that are being dished out, don't participate in them...or just choose not to participate in that particular discussion. To be so triggered that you cannot function properly on an internet forum without seeing only one poster's commentary...demands some help in other areas of one's life.

Just a quick search about Nancy Reagan:

Max hits this right on the money. He's been here a while, too. Since Feb 2000. At least a few years before you were.

So yeah, we all have narly and nasty opinions about people. However, that's no reason to be suspended or banned. If you don't like anothers' opinion or commentary, say it. Express yourself.

But don't try to create a bandwagon of zealots who are out to smother the opinions of others if they don't see your way.