I agree whole-heartedly ...

I'm just responding to a jab, by throwing one ...

That must be what you meant about this place having turned into a "kindergarten playground."

Ah, another lovely comment by scott27 ...

Moreover, I lay off throwing jabs in retaliation - just as often as you do ...

that is exactly why we need to think of new ways to generate income while increasing membership.

I am really all for doing anything that we can to make it easy on people. tshirts, paypal or other way to donate. for some of us it is easier to give a few bucks than click on a bunch of offers.

I never joined e#ates or other sites like it because i wanted to help this site. those that do those programs might still be willing to help this site. they need another way to do it.

by the way i can not believe e b a t e s is a banned word . even in a discussion



[Edited by gcribbs on 04-27-01 at 05:36 PM]

I think KENWOOD leaving has affected things much more than Geoff or anyone else would care to admit.

I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth but i'm sure Geoff is thinking

"How dare those ingrate SOBs drive one of my best Mods away!, who the F do they think they are ? i'm gonna have to crack down on their sorry behinds and whip them back into line !"

Yes i know Geoff wouldn't say or think that exactly but it's the right jist

Soupy, it can still be a fun place, use your imagination

you do have to change with the times. Don't let the middle aged old foggies drive you out matey ! I just wouldn't dare give them the satisfaction.

the "Young , Dum and full of Cum" brigade is still in da house !

I think it says volumes that the only thing I posted that is being attacked is the "young minds" comment - And it's being taken out of context by everyone who has responded to it.

If look at the post closely you see that the "young minds" is pointed at the very few members who have turned this place into a free-for-all the past several months and are now complaining that their hands are being tied.

Please show me where in my post that I said anyone who registered less than a year ago was "Young." Can any of you who responded do that? You have made yourselves look bad by responding to something that was never there. I said "Soup and the 4 or 5 others..." They know who they are, Soup knows who they are. So far, not one of those folks has responded here.

The thing maybe some of you don't realize (unless you have been long enough to see the posts/threads created by Soup, and by all those before and after him) is that the "fun" he is referring to is the mindless junk that take up about 75-80% of his posts. Sometimes Soup can be funny, insightful, or smart, but most of his stuff is just the type of thing that Geoff was trying to lessen - just the type of stuff that garnered so many complaints of late - Soup has given you several examples of it in this thread.

I asked several questions in my previous posts and still not one of them have been answered.

I'm not surprised.

Your attempt at taking the high road, is not fooling me. I am well-aware of your former identity ...

I'm not surprised at your tactics ...

DTSC here. Stats: Lurked Nov 1999 - Apr 2000, Member from Apr 2000 onward (different username).

Thus, because I've been posting for over a year and lurking even longer, I offer my educated opinion on this subject:

Shut up already.


I'm glad pads are gone. I'm glad post counts are gone. Now lets start some good discussion threads and cut back on the posts that are merely made to see your own name on the screen.

Just for the record Boatdrinky matey, i didn't even read your reply before i made mine. I had no idea that anyone had made any 'young minds' comment

I read SOupy's first post then i replied straight away because i knew what soupy was on about

now i've read the whole thread i see how things look with my reply

So am I. As a matter of fact, there are numerous discussion threads on this topic that I stated just that. It was never about padding, it was about fun ...

Come on Jason, you totally missed the point ...

Well, I've been here for about a year and a 1/2, so I'm not really a "old timer", but at the same time I'm not one of these "young minds". I guess I'm a lost generation. If the problem really comes down to what is a "quality" post, and what is a "padded" or silly post, who's to make that decision? Only Geoff.

I stumbled across this place back in Dec. 1999, and signed up the following Jan. I didn't sign up because I had some hot deal to share, or even to ask a question about DVDs. I signed up because I was pulled into the lighthearted comedy of the OTHER. I found myself coming back here to read what people were talking about, because they made me laugh. I slowly started posting a little in this forum, a little in that one, but other became my "home base". Like I said in previous posts, I felt that the OTHER had a "edge" to it. This edge as I call it isn't one specific thing. It's not the nude pics, it's not the flame wars, it's not even the debate threads (where I've seen it get a lot more heated than silly threads). This 'edge' was just the way <B>people</B> posted, and the way they felt.

The other felt like a place where you could start a thread on almost ANY subject and get some else to reply. Were all these threads garbage? Nope. Were all the threads on religion or politics of great importance? Absolutely not. The thing was that there were <B>BOTH</B> there, and <B>I</B> had the choice on what threads I wanted to be a part of.

Now of course there was, and always will be "padding" so to say. It's not as big of a problem as many like to make it to be, and lets be honest, does it really hurt YOU if someone else sits in front of their computer and posts 100 times a day? Granted the <B>[PAD]</B> replies were uncalled for, but I've even seen MODS get into the fun on these. It was "FUNNY", and as long as none of us crossed a line it remained funny. I can remember Kenwood and his pictures of women’s' <B>PADS</B> and the <B>[BAN]</b> roll on he use to use.

In fact, it was Kenwood, who use to put up all the animated GIFs and STARTED the Congrats threads. Did these threads hurt anyone, not at all. Many enjoyed them. Did they promote padding? maybe. I felt that the congrats threads were a way the OTHER said "Hey you, you're one of us", and I liked it. Kenwood started my 1000k congrats thread, and it felt good when I seen all the people throwing wise cracks at me.

This brings us to people having a "hard" skin. This is a forum, everyone’s never going to agree on anything, (can we all agree on that at least)? Probably not. If you can't take a comment in a forum, then you're going to have a hard time in this world. I'm not saying it's fine to say "F$#k you" or something like that, but we're all adults here. If someone or something really bothers you, it's easy to just not reply to that person, or not go into that thread.

Not all threads are going to interest everyone, but taking away a certain type because it helps people "pad" is ridiculous. I liked the word association & picture threads. Granted I can go to same game site to play word games, and if I really wanted to see nudity, I could go to a password site and site for hours looking at 100s of pictures..... but that's not what I wanted. That wasn't the attraction to this thing we call OTHER. I liked that there was a little bit of everything here. Posting in the word assoc. thread doesn't make me a padder, and opening Cidmos thread doesn't make me "right click save" freak. The same way that posting a reply in a religious, or political thread doesn't make someone intellectual. Different strokes, people. It all comes down to "If it doesn't interest you, don't open the thread. It's just that easy. It's just ridiculous that people will make a stink about something that doesn't even affect them.

One thing that kind of sums up my feelings.... Does anyone remember Paul3rd's "Another forum is attacking us" thread. We all posted links, pictures, animated GIFs, etc? That was one of the funniest threads I think I've ever seen here. Granted the thread wasn't interesting to everyone, but to us that were a part of it was pure entertainment. There were <B>MODS</B> posting in it along with us "common" folk, and we just were "letting loose" having a good time. Unfortunately, I can't picture that under the NEW other, maybe in the future, but not now. Everyone on both sides of the fence is too uptight.

To be honest, I won't miss any of the changes that were made.

Post counts gone: fine
Nudity gone: I'll survive
Word Association: O well.
Padding: Who cares

etc, etc.

I won't miss those things at all, but I will tell you what I will miss. I'll miss that feeling of "hang out, have fun, and don't worry" that the OTHER gave me. Right now, it seems like everyone's a little uptight, and worried. (At least the posters who enjoyed anything the has been taken away).

I'll remain part of this forum (sorry guys, can't get rid of me that easy), and hopefully grow with it. Like I originally said, it's was the people and the "edgy fun" that brought me here. I'm sure we can get it back, overtime.

Geoff, if the webspace and resources is the reason behind why the forum is cracking down on what some feel are "space wasting threads" (word association per say), couldn't you just look into threads on the "back end" falling off the server in a short amount of time? Just a thought.

I just think it is really hard to tell people what is "okay" and what is "fluff" when you're talking about something like OTHER.

Other was about fun, and hopefully it'll feel that way again.

Sorry for the length.

[Edited by Keyser Soze on 04-27-01 at 11:21 PM]

ok here is your post- you say For someone who's been here since July of 2000 to say things like, "This forum has become quite the opposite of what it used to be" is a joke.

This seesm to me to negate any one who has been here since that date from saying they disagree with the changes to this site- you are wrong. the time in which people join has no effect on their abilty to give an opinion. That opinion should be based on the persons content not the date in which they joined.


you say-He unfortunately thinks that an "edge" means just mindless, random, repetitive posting.

How is this constructive. One persons mindless posting is anothers persons fun. if you want to know what he thinks an edge is why not ask him to define it for you. instead of saying something that you should know will change the tone of the discussion in a nonpositive way.

How do you think someone who is being attacked in this way will respond.

The "young" comment seemed to me to be used to attack people who you disagree with. How do you want them to reply to you. In a friendly manner.


Lastly you make assumptions that the members who liked the other forum the way it was are a minority.

are you really sure of that. I think the fear that some people have is that it is the majority feeling.

For the record, the "I'm glad post counts.." comment was off the cuff and wasn't really pertaining to anyone's post, I just felt like throwing it in. I got the point.

Keyser Soze, gcribbs, amongst others ...

I share your sentiments ...

It was about fun and edginess ...

Not about padding and nudity ...

Thanks for being open-minded, err ... rather reading what was wrote ...

ok boatdrinky matey now that i have read all the replies here goes

well i've been here half a year longer than you, so don't you dare denigrate people who have ONLY been here since such and such a date and say they don't know anything about what this site was ! because i could damm well say the same about you ! i can say anyone who hasn't been here since 1999 knows jacksh*t as well and that would include you ! but i won't because i know better and i know that EVERYONE's opinion is equal ! regardless of their post count or their date joined!

I'd not unhappy with the site before, i'm not unhappy with it now. I know how to have fun WITHIN the rules.

I do frown down upon anyone without the intelligence to scan a page and decide what they do and don't want to click on ! there are many many threads i don't want to see whether they be padding type threads or certain religious threads. you know what ? i just don't click on them !

I admit i come here to fun. I leave most of my brain work for work because i have a pretty demanding job as many people here do.

All Soupy was saying that this place isn't as fun as it used to be. All i'm saying is it can still be as fun as you want it to be

I totally agree

I couldn't have said it better myself. I lurked in March or April 1999 and began posting in May 1999. I'm glad to see the forum becoming more like it was. Screw the "fun" pads. We need threads that invoke conversatons. Certainly there can be a conversation on something silly, I'm not saying we need debates. It's just that there isn't much of a sense of community if 80% of the post don't require any thought at all and can be replied to with a few words. The new rules seem to be helping this. If we lose some people, fine, you can't please everyone all the time. If Geoff didn't make changes he would lose people like me, so either way some members are going to be upset. I also think the new forum areas are great as they foster more conversation on the specific topics, make the topics easy to find, and it's easy to avoid the ones you don't like.

your opinion is as valued as anyone who has been here since 2000 or 1999

don't let anyone tell you otherwise !

I thought of this place as a forum where adults hang out and enjoy themselves. I do not really care if we have nude pics or not. however I also do not think they are a problem.


Geoff has said the servers are overloaded. Many members offered to pay money or find new ways to get money into this site since the click thrus were not generating the income.
Instead Geoff stayed with the click thru method and so far it is still not generating the money needed or so it seems based on Geoff's statements.

Cutting edge to me- not a site where one can not joke around with a friend for fear of being banned or suspended.

Not a site where one is so afraid a kid or sensitive adult might come into a mature marked thread and see something that bothers them that we restrict what is said or posted on that site or suspensions or banning might happen.

where any word that is offensive even not spelled correctly as a joke might result in a suspension or banning.

what is different about this place now- one word it is less fun to me and others. will this change. I hope so.

I also think Keyser Soze and gcribbs summed things up very well

Josh i think the forum has room for both. Not everyone wants to talk 'DEEP and MEANINGFUL" all the time.I've started my fair share of very serious lenghty debate threads, also my fair share of fun 'don't need much thought' threads.I like both! I agree that blatant padding thread going is good. But you have to realise that people are here for different reasons and not just the same reason that you are here for Josh which is mainly serious discussion.

You say that someone is gonna get upset and leave. Well i, as a manager have always looked for solutions which cater for everyone, you have to ! you can't disregard a certain group just because you disagree with them ! that's bad management ! As a manager you have a responsibility to ALL your staff and not just the ones you like and agree with (i've actually dealt with a situation like this , this year, with a lady who everyone disagreed with and disliked, but i had to find a way for everyone to get along and i did!)

I don't agree with this comment "If we lose some people, fine, you can't please everyone all the time. "

you are saying it's ok to lose other people as long as it's not you ! unlike yourself i don't place myself as any more important that any other member. I don't want to lose anyone ! Not you, Not soupy, not anyone ! You are saying or at the least implying that you are more important that these 'other' people! well that to me is not true. everyone is equal. Trust me Joshyboy just like you don't care about the fact that these people will go, there are others who would care just as little if you go ! Tis a fact of life.

I value EVERYONE

TO: Soup, Des, gcribbs, Keyser, gotdvd, Bandoman, and whoever else so fervently disagrees:

Would one of you please answer the questions I posted? Please? Here they are:

Thank you.

The funny thing is that this "you can leave thought" has cropped up a lot in this thread- or maybe i am being hypersensitive.

I have not agreed with Josh at all on the issue of post counts and pad threads. why because What i think of as a pad is not what others view as a pad.

In fact a post that just says "PAD" can be funny in the right context.

However I respect the fact that he wanted to change this place and make it better. I just see some of the changes as not being positive community building changes. Why can I not joke around with my friends here. say a sharp reply but put a for fun- because i might be suspended

I still post and reply because I want this forum and website to be successful also.

I do not want anyone to leave at all. especially due to them feeling they are not wanted here.

lastly- Josh says-It's just that there isn't much of a sense of community if 80% of the post don't require any thought at all and can be replied to with a few words.

The amount of words or thought do not show a sense of community. It shows when people help one another or go out of their way to assist a member. I have seen that at times here and I hope we continue to see it.

That was an excellent post Keyser, and is exactly how I feel too