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Old 09-02-22, 10:09 PM
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Re: The 13th Annual Animation Challenge Discussion Thread

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Old 09-02-22, 11:45 PM
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I have to admit, I did not know that it took until Atlantis for there to be a main character that was a person of color. (I'm assuming that's what you mean, as there are black animal characters in the films like the crows in Dumbo, just not main characters.) I totally agree that the Disney Corporation had very similar views and stereotypes and are a product of their age and it wasn't right. It is understandable, but is something that very much should be addressed. Their whole attitude towards Song of the South where Disney just ignores its existence is so wrong. Apologize, recognize your privilege and admit that it's a product of its time and should be held up as an example of what not to do. Especially since they still use Br'r Rabbit and Zip pee doo doh song in their parks! They had a perfect platform to do so with their Disney Treasures line with Leonard Maltin and they totally squandered it!

I do think they are getting better at showing diversity. They get slammed by a lot of people who want the same old Disney but I do think they are trying. Encanto, Turning Red, Coco and Soul are really good examples. I appreciate that they are trying. I mean they are turning Splash Mountain, slowly, into a Princess and the Frog themed ride. I love that soundtrack, so I hope they are able to use it well in the ride!

Disney has some great films out there, but is definitely a flawed company. Okay, will get down off my soapbox.

Yeah, that's what I meant by non-animal characters. They did have animals that "coded" as black. But outside of the crows in Dumbo, the servant centaur in Fantasia (I watched an uncensored version), the orangutans in Jungle Book, and some less stereotypical ones like Pearl Bailey as an owl in Fox and the Hound, they had NO human characters who were of African descent. This includes walking around in the background! I didn't phrase it as "of color", because they did have Indians in Jungle Book, Indigenous peoples of North America in Peter Pan and Pocahontas, South Americans in the travelog films, Middle-Eastern people in Aladdin, Asians in Mulan and so forth. Now, once the Nine Old Men died off they seemed to pull it off with less condescension. They went right to Ving Rhames within a few movies and he was cool. As i said, i don't think they were being deliberately racist, but that's just how things were at the time. Even something like Song of the South (which is not in the official Disney classic canon) was meant to celebrate African culture but was just so tone deaf in execution they didn't realize how offensive it really is. It's a shame, too, because James Baskett as Uncle Remus is so wonderful and the stories are treasured African folklore well animated and acted. There really should be a way for them to acknowledge the shortcomings of the film yet allow it to be enjoyed for what it is. Pretty much every ethnic group was portrayed as a stereotype. One of my favorite character voice artists did at least five in one movie! (Lady and the Tramp, where Bill Thompson [AKA Droopy Dog] did five dialect parts, as Jock the Scottish Terrier, Bull the Cockney bulldog, Dachsie the German dachshund, Joe the Italian cook, and the Irish policeman in the zoo.).

Oh, and thanks for hosting.

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