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The 15th Annual Sci-fi/Fantasy Challenge Discussion Thread

Guess what time of the year it is! That's right, it's the 15th Annual Sci-Fi/Fantasy Challenge!

List Thread for 2022 is HERE.

Dates: Dusk June 30-Dawn August 1st

Rules

Movies/TV shows should be labeled sci-fi or fantasy from either imdb.com or allmovie.com. Other labels don't matter as long as there is at least a sci-fi or fantasy label from one of those sites. Action/Sci-fi would be fine.

If anyone has a problem with something someone watches or just wants an opinion on if it's sci-fi or fantasy or not, ask here.

Sci-Fi/Fantasy documentaries are allowed but not DVD featurettes/interviews. Documentaries include UFO and alien abduction type shows.

As with the other challenges, the lists must be numbered or it won't count.

Use any counting method you prefer, as prize determination does not depend on number of items watched.

3 wild cards for all. Use for those shows you want to watch but know they really don't count but they're pretty close or borderline to counting.

Watching the movie with the commentary will count as an entry.

Watching multiple versions (theatrical and director's cut) of the same movie will also count.

Audio:

Sci-fi/Fantasy Radio

I'm treating audio harshly since this is primarily a movie/tv challenge. That being said, one episode, 4 hours with commercials, of Coast to Coast counts as one entry. It's the same format for TV, only doubled. The topic of the show has to be sci-fi/fantasy related, so it shouldn't be that much of a problem with Coast to Coast.

If you're listening to something without commercials, or can skip them, you're looking at 3 hours of audio for one entry.

1/4 entry = 45 minutes without commercials and 60 with commercials.
1/2 entry = 90 minutes without commercials and 120 with commercials.
3/4 entry = 135 minutes without commercials and 180 with commercials.
1 entry = 180 minutes without commercials and 240 with commercials.

*Exceptions:*
1: The Tarzan films are eligible to watch and count for the watch list, but not for the check list.
2. Superhero films. If they do not have a sci-fi/fantasy tag, they count for the watch list, but not for the check list. If it really has sci-fi/fantasy elements without the tag but you want to use it for the check list, feel free to ask here and I'll look into it.

2022's Finalized Checklist:
Spoiler:
--- Watch a film in 6 of the following decades:
--- 1890/1900 -
--- 1910/1920 -
--- 1930 -
--- 1940 -
--- 1950 -
--- 1960 -
--- 1970 -
--- 1980 -
--- 1990 -
--- 2000 -
--- 2010 -
--- 2020 -

--- Watch films in at least two languages other than English.
--- First language -
--- Second language -

--- Watch a film in 6 of the following:
--- Watch a MST3K/Rifftrax/Cinematic Titanic/Hosted version of a sci-fi/fantasy film -
--- Watch a film made on a low budget (ex. Corman or Castle movie) -
--- Watch a film based on a novel -
--- Watch a film which was nominated for a Hugo or Saturn Award-
--- Watch a Documentary Feature (at least 40 minutes long) -
--- Watch a Film from the Criterion Collection (Doesn't have to be the Criterion Version) -
--- Watch a film with commentary -
--- Watch a film and at least two sequels -
--- Watch an animated film -
--- Watch a film with special effects by Ray Harryhausen -
--- Watch a film that takes place in the "future" but the year has already come and gone -
--- Watch a film and its remake/reboot -
--- Watch a film about a LGBTQ+ person/topic or about POC/other minority groups -

--- He's dead, Jim. Watch 3 out of the following:
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Kirk Bailey -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Gilbert Gottfried -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Estelle Harris -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late William Hurt-
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Robert Morse -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Fred Ward -

--- Thank the Maker. Watch 3 out of the following:
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Gene Roddenberry -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late C.S. Lewis -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late J.R.R. Tolkien -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Jules Verne
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late H.G. Wells -
--- Written by/inspired by/or related in some way to the late Stan Lee -

--- Watch 9 films directed/produced/written by:
--- J. J. Abrams -
--- Luc Besson -
--- Michael Bay -
--- Tim Burton -
--- Roger Corman -
--- Richard Fleischer -
--- Ron Howard -
--- Peter Jackson -
--- Stephen King -
--- Fritz Lang -
--- George Lucas -
--- George Melies -
--- Hayao Miyazaki -
--- M. Night Shyamalan -
--- Stephen Sommers -
--- Steven Spielberg -
--- Guilermo del Toro -
--- The Wachowskis -
--- Robert Zemeckis

--- Watch a film in 3 of these ratings:
--- Unrated (pre-MPAA)/Approved -
--- G-
--- PG/GP/M-
--- PG-13 -
--- R -
--- NC-17/X (not porn!)/Unrated -

--- Watch a film in 5 of the following sub-genres:
--- Action/Adventure -
--- Animation -
--- Comedy -
--- Crime/Film Noir/Mystery/Thriller -
--- Drama -
--- Family -
--- History/War/Western -
--- Horror -
--- Music/Musical -
--- Romance -

--- Watch a film in 10 sub-genres:
--- Alien invasion -
--- Alternate History -
--- Based on fairy tale -
--- Christmas in July -
--- Comic Book -
--- Disaster -
--- Dystopian Society -
--- High Fantasy -
--- Immortality -
--- Kaiju -
--- Laser (death by or contains one)-
--- Mad Scientist -
--- Mythology (Can be anybody's mythology) -
--- Paranormal -
--- Post-Apocalyptic -
--- Prehistoric -
--- Robot/Android -
--- Space Themed -
--- Superhero Themed -
--- Sword and Sorcery -
--- Time travel -

Not sure what qualifies? Check here for a description or even better: here.

--- Watch a film starring 10 of the following actors:
--- Gerard Butler -
--- Helena Bonham Carter -
--- Benedict Cumberbatch -
--- Idris Elba -
--- Chris Evans -
--- Luke Evans -
--- William Fichtner -
--- Harrison Ford -
--- Morgan Freeman -
--- Jeff Goldblum -
--- John Goodman -
--- Jake Gyllenhaal -
--- Chris Hemsworth -
--- Michael Ironsides -
--- Samuel L. Jackson -
--- Scarlett Johansson -
--- Dwayne Johnson -
--- Tommy Lee Jones -
--- Boris Karloff -
--- Christopher Lambert -
--- Gugu Mbatha-Raw -
--- Sir Ian McKellen -
--- Chris Pine -
--- Natalie Portman -
--- Chris Pratt -
--- Vincent Price -
--- Geoffrey Rush -
--- Ryan Reynolds -
--- Michelle Rodriguez -
--- Arnold Schwarzenegger -
--- Andy Serkis -
--- Will Smith -
--- Stanley Tucci -
--- Mark Wahlburg -
--- Benedict Wong -
--- Evan Rachel Wood -







Suggestions for the "takes place in the future that has already passed" check:
Spoiler:
Lost In Space (1966) - the 60s TV series. Their ship launched in 1997.
The Running Man (1987) - takes place in 2019.
Akira (1988) - takes place in 2019 (plus is an animation challenge crossover).
Strange Days (1995) - takes place in 1999.
Back to the Future 2 (1989) - sees them travel to the future - 2015 - to tidy up things.
Blade Runner (1982) - takes place in 2019.
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - 2001 of course.
2010: The Year We Make Contact - 2010.
The Island (2005) - takes place in 2019.
The Manchurian Candidate (2004) - takes place in 2008.
A Scanner Darkly (2006) - set in 1994.
Terminator 2: Judgement Day (1992) - set in 1997
2012 (2009) - in 2012.
The Postman (1997) - His tale begins in 2013
A Clockwork Orange (1971) - takes place in 1995
Escape from L.A. (1996) - perfect companion to ...New York takes place in 2013.
Predator 2 (1990) - set in 1997
Timecop (1994) - set in 2004
I Am Legend (2007) - 2009 to 2012.
12 Monkeys (1995) - questionable - the virus was released in 1996 though the main character traveled back from 2035
A Quiet Place (2018) - Filmed in 2018, takes place in 2021.
Just Imagine (1930) - Takes place in 1980
Things to Come (1936) - covers a future history from 1940 to 2036.
Space 1999 (1973) - 1999 - and I watched that one this year!!
The Abyss (1989) - takes place in 1994
Aeon Flux (2005) - takes place in 2011
Barb Wire (1996) - takes place in 2017
Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) - depicts events of 1983-1991
Edge of Tomorrow (2014) - takes place in 2020
Event Horizon (1997) - takes place in 2015
Westworld (1973) - takes place in 1983
Futureworld (1976) - takes place in 1985 (I watched this, too!)
It! the Terror from Beyond Space (1958) - first Mars mission returns to Earth in 1973
Johnny Mnemonic (1995) - takes place in 2021
The Omega Man (1979) - Takes place 1977
Class of 1999 (1990) - takes place in 1999
Soylent Green (1973) - takes place in 2022
Robotech (1985) - takes place in 1999






2021's Discussion thread here.

Suggestions for next year, 2023:
Spoiler:
plan on pooling the actors list each year (with additions if necessary) and drawing names to find the ones to be used that year for a better rotation of names.

A shorts check list item: ex; Watch 3 sci-fi fantasy shorts or Watch at least 60 minutes worth of shorts

To sub-genre: based on a book

Emily Blunt, Taika Waititi, Dame Maggie Smith, Eddie Murphy, Deep Roy, Wallace Shawn, Kirsten Dunst, Karl Urban, Bryce Dallas Howard, Ernest Borgnine, Kurt Russell, Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart, Deep Roy, Johnny Depp to Actors list.

Terry Jones, John Carpenter, Sam Raimi to Director's list.

He's Dead, Jim: James Caan, Lenny von Dohlen, David Warner, Nichelle Nichols




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There wasn't a ton of suggestions for the check list this year. What was suggested was this:

Add mystery/crime to watch sub-genres list
Add Stephen King to the writers list.
Remove Alice Guy from produce/director list.

Any yeses/noes for them? Any other suggestions? For the "He's Dead, Jim" list?

I'll wait a couple more days before posting the List thread as I like to finalize or at least get the check list as complete as possible before listing.
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Director - Taika Waititi

Actors:
Tommy Lee Jones
Chris Evans
Jeff Goldblum
Mark Wahlburg
Edris Elba
Benedict Wong
Christopher Lambert
LL Cool J
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Just putting this out there that Svengoolie tonight is Forbidden Planet. I may start the challenge a little late because even though it isnít set in stone yet, Iím planning to go out of town for a couple weeks to visit someone.
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My favorite challenge, plus the first one in which I participated.
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My favorite challenge, plus the first one in which I participated.
Mine too!
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I love this challenge. I watch more movies with my wife during this challenge then any other. I have already spent over five hours preparing for this, with at least three more to go. I'm not sure why more people don't join in this challenge as the Horror challenge is very similar (in some ways) but there doesn't seem to be much crossover. I watch a lot of fantasy for this challenge so I don't have a lot of crossover but I could easily watch a ton of horror during this challenge. I'm going to mention this challenge in the Horror Challenge thread and see if that doesn't generate a little more interest. This challenge is run well and should have more participants!
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I'm still on my 80s kick I started for last month's Make Your Own. I might just keep going with that and not worry about completing the checklist this year. What I appreciate about sci-fi from that era is that so many of those films' stories were more ambitious than their studios could afford to realize. It gives them a sort of sincerity. Something I've noticed about 80s films in general is that they're primarily about modeling an idea of how to approach a given situation. The main character gets an arc, but pretty much no one else has a third dimension. There's not much in the way of world-building. Sequels tend to be more about starting all over than they are about continuing things from what went before and aside from some teasing here and there, not much set-up for future stories, either. I dig that. I don't feel like I need to do homework or check a Wikipedia page. Everything I need to know is in the movie I'm watching.

The Alien series took Ripley to entirely different time periods each time so anyone who may have survived the last film had long ago died anyway. The Terminator became a good guy with T2 (a 90s movie, of course). Superman II was conceived as the second half of the story that started with its first film, but III and IV are as self-contained as the Supergirl spinoff. Back to the Future famously had no sequels in mind and only ended the way it did to mess with us, then later made Parts II and III back to back, so they're fully connected. But the first one is still just about the idea of, "What if you went back in time to when your parents were young?"
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I've always felt that Stephen King was more horror than Science Fiction, but I'm ok with him being added. I'm good with Alice Guy being removed, and ok with adding the mystery subgenre.
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Originally Posted by shellebelle
Director - Taika Waititi

Actors:
Tommy Lee Jones
Chris Evans
Jeff Goldblum
Mark Wahlburg
Edris Elba
Benedict Wong
Christopher Lambert
LL Cool J
I know we've had Chris Evans on the list before and I'm pretty sure Jeff Goldblum. Do people want them back?

I didn't realize how many sci-fi/fantasy movies Christopher Lambert has done. I knew about Highlander and Mortal Kombat, but he's pretty prolific. Tommy Lee Jones is an easy add as well as Mark Wahlburg, Edris Elba, and Benedict Wong. Any hesitations about adding them to the list?

I'm not seeing a ton for LL Cool J. I see Deep Blue Sea but are there any other titles for him? I'm leaning toward no on him. Also, I'm not seeing many eligible titles for Taika Waititi. I'd love to add a new directer, but his main sci-fi credits are for 2 Thor movies and an episode of the Mandalorian. He does have a couple in production, but nothing watchable yet. While I know those movies are very accessible to people for watching, is it a big enough selection to add him to the check list?

One last question: Are there any actors/topics/genres you'd like taken off the list this year that just didn't work?

Originally Posted by orlmac
I love this challenge. I watch more movies with my wife during this challenge then any other. I have already spent over five hours preparing for this, with at least three more to go. I'm not sure why more people don't join in this challenge as the Horror challenge is very similar (in some ways) but there doesn't seem to be much crossover...
Sounds good! I agree that there are many, many crossover films between the two challenges and I'd love to see some new participants, especially as October is still far enough away that it shouldn't get people burned out for the Horror Challenge.

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
I'm still on my 80s kick I started for last month's Make Your Own. I might just keep going with that and not worry about completing the checklist this year.
There are a ton of great sci-fi/fantasy movies from the '80s. Check List is always just an optional way to approach the challenge, but I bet you could do a good bit of damage even without venturing outside of the decade.

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Originally Posted by shellebelle
I've always felt that Stephen King was more horror than Science Fiction, but I'm ok with him being added. I'm good with Alice Guy being removed, and ok with adding the mystery subgenre.
Thanks for letting me know! I get your thinking behind King, but what makes him eligible in my mind is that a good deal of his horror has supernatural elements/fantasy elements behind it. Like Firestarter where Charlie can control fire with her mind, The Shining with the ghosts and so on. But that's why I'm looking for opinions because there are a lot of different takes on how to approach different films.
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As far as Stephen King goes I would be ok with adding him as I agree that many of his movies also have science fiction and expecially fantasy aspects to them. I would also suggest Michael Bay for director etc. but I seem to recall some reason he has never been on the list (at least since 2015 and maybe ever). As far as new actors/actresses I would suggest Stanley Tucci (24 movies), Gerard Butler (15 movies) and Michelle Rodriguez (9 movies). I see that Michelle Rodriguez has been on in the past but not since 2017. I feel like we could use a few more actresses if possible. I would think we could rotate out Harrison Ford and Arnold Schwarzenneger to give us a few new spots. Maybe rotate out Fritz Lang as director for a couple of years also. Sorry if I suggested rotating anyones favorites.
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Piggybacking on the Stephen King thing, The Tommyknockers dealt with aliens, and I always felt that The Langoliers was kind of sci fi. Perhaps a use your own discretion caveat?
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I stand corrected on Stephen King! Awesome! I originally had no problem with him, I just always saw the horror of his stuff. Never really thought about the paranormal of it. Thanks for the ideas of movies to watch guys!
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Re: Stephen King, I haven't gone all that far into his stuff but my general impression is that the fantasy elements are usually central to the story. Offhand, I'd exclude The Shawshank Redemption and Stand by Me, but everything else that I have a passing knowledge of fits.

Re: Checklist actors, directors, etc., my feeling has always been that they ought to have a minimum of ten eligible works in their filmography. I've thought it over some more and I think we might be well to take into consideration how much of them are from a singular franchise. Here are current stats per Letterboxd. I've filtered to remove documentaries, short films, TV shows, and films yet to be released, so there may be some ancillary eligible titles for the people suggested for being added, removed, or rotated. I also made an arbitrary adjustment, reflected in the Net column, consolidating franchises and counting those films as 1. I counted the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a single franchise, but I excluded the Fantastic Four movies because those are different continuities and Chris Evans played a different character in each.
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A lot of the people in the actor/director/producer section are there primarily for their appearances in franchises. I think that's why they were suggested in the first place. The MCU is the biggest culprit but I don't feel like cross-referencing all of those so I'll use Star Wars as an example. Right now, it's responsible for:

2/5 of J.J. Abrams' director credits
4/5 of George Lucas' director credits
5/10 of Harrison Ford's actor credits

I would remove all three from their respective categories. Also, Star Wars accounts for 3/15 of Natalie Portman's actor credits. The MCU accounts for a further 4/15, so combined 7/15 of her credits are from only two franchises. I'd remove her, too.

Obviously, doing this would make it prudent to reduce the number of checks required for each category.
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Can I get a ruling on whether or not The Sixth Sense qualifies? IMDB has it as a thriller but I think it qualifies.
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Re: Checklist actors, directors, etc., my feeling has always been that they ought to have a minimum of ten eligible works in their filmography. I've thought it over some more and I think we might be well to take into consideration how much of them are from a singular franchise. Here are current stats per Letterboxd. I've filtered to remove documentaries, short films, TV shows, and films yet to be released, so there may be some ancillary eligible titles for the people suggested for being added, removed, or rotated. I also made an arbitrary adjustment, reflected in the Net column, consolidating franchises and counting those films as 1. I counted the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a single franchise, but I excluded the Fantastic Four movies because those are different continuities and Chris Evans played a different character in each.
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A lot of the people in the actor/director/producer section are there primarily for their appearances in franchises. I think that's why they were suggested in the first place. The MCU is the biggest culprit but I don't feel like cross-referencing all of those so I'll use Star Wars as an example. Right now, it's responsible for:

2/5 of J.J. Abrams' director credits
4/5 of George Lucas' director credits
5/10 of Harrison Ford's actor credits

I would remove all three from their respective categories. Also, Star Wars accounts for 3/15 of Natalie Portman's actor credits. The MCU accounts for a further 4/15, so combined 7/15 of her credits are from only two franchises. I'd remove her, too.

Obviously, doing this would make it prudent to reduce the number of checks required for each category.
I'm not sure how you came up with your numbers but I have a quick method of counting films that qualify. I pull up the person in IMDB and then sort by Feature Films and then do a pull for Fantasy and a pull for Science Fiction. When you remove the duplicates and films not finished yet I get 16 for Gerard Butler (as an example). Your count of 11 seems to not count his Science Fiction films. Of course, you are right about franchises. The question is does combining franchise films such as Star Wars discount the main reason people would want to watch those directors/producers etc. I'll leave that ruling up to LJG765 (I already have enough blood on my hands from suggesting that some actors be rotated out for right now).
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Originally Posted by orlmac
Can I get a ruling on whether or not The Sixth Sense qualifies? IMDB has it as a thriller but I think it qualifies.
Of course! I would automatically have accepted The Sixth Sense because of the paranormal aspect of it and think it qualifies and that's it's odd that it doesn't have a sci-fi/fantasy tag already. I won't say why if you haven't seen it even as old as the movie is, but agree that it should qualify.

I think King has gotten enough yeses to add. He does have some works that don't count, so like any other option on the check list, you may want to double check IMDb.com if you're uncertain or even ask here. Under the Dome would work, It, Langoliers, Pet Sematary...a lot of them do have one of the genres marked, but if it doesn't, look at the summary. Does the movie/show have supernatural or scientific elements that are not currently (or ever) possible? Then I'd say it counts. We also have 3 wildcards, so if you go into a movie thinking it does but finish it and it doesn't, you can certainly use the wildcard for it. Cujo would be an example of a King movie that wouldn't count. Is it likely? Not really, but a rabid dog can exist. Does that make sense?

Travis, I do that same thing when I look into each actor. I do tend to count franchises as "1" as well, though if it's more than 2 or 3 movies, I do consider that a bit more. I also am a bit more forgiving with female actors because it can be difficult to find ones that are in more than one franchise (or even more than one sci-fi/fantasy film) and I like the diversity of having more than male actors in the list.

I also ignore movies/shows that have not been produced. Once they have been released, I'm willing to take another look, but for each challenge, I do want the options to be something we can watch now, not next year.

For a while, the actor list was getting pretty long/unwieldy, so I tried to pare it down over the last year or two. I want it to be a challenge, but not so hard that people can't finish it. I know people have different takes on the check list: only one check per movie vs one movie for multiple checks. I know there are participants that aim for a blackout as well. I try to keep all this in mind when adding or subtracting the actors/options for the check list. I also want there to be some change from year to year because having the same items over and over does not lead to new watches and can become a turn off from participating or doing the checklist.

I love getting feedback because while I have watched many of the movies that qualify for the checklist, it's impossible to see every one and I appreciate finding new actors to add.
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Originally Posted by orlmac
I'm not sure how you came up with your numbers but I have a quick method of counting films that qualify. I pull up the person in IMDB and then sort by Feature Films and then do a pull for Fantasy and a pull for Science Fiction. When you remove the duplicates and films not finished yet I get 16 for Gerard Butler (as an example). Your count of 11 seems to not count his Science Fiction films. Of course, you are right about franchises. The question is does combining franchise films such as Star Wars discount the main reason people would want to watch those directors/producers etc. I'll leave that ruling up to LJG765 (I already have enough blood on my hands from suggesting that some actors be rotated out for right now).
I counted 8 (using only 1 for the How to Train Your Dragon series) but I could have easily missed a few. For numbers, I don't really have a number set in stone, other than usually more than 3/4 qualifying films/tv shows. Which is why I'll likely not include Taika Waititi in the director pool or LL Cool J in the actors.

And don't feel bad about taking actors off the list! I appreciate the feedback so I'm not just arbitrarily removing people.
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Heck - unless an actor was put on the list in the past couple of years I'd likely just put the numbers in a random number generator and dump a few totally at random. Keeps you from thinking too hard about it and wondering if someone "needs" to go or not.

Maybe even have "huge" lists of actors/directors/etc. and use a random number generator to pick a "short list" each year.
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Originally Posted by orlmac
I'm not sure how you came up with your numbers but I have a quick method of counting films that qualify. I pull up the person in IMDB and then sort by Feature Films and then do a pull for Fantasy and a pull for Science Fiction. When you remove the duplicates and films not finished yet I get 16 for Gerard Butler (as an example). Your count of 11 seems to not count his Science Fiction films. Of course, you are right about franchises. The question is does combining franchise films such as Star Wars discount the main reason people would want to watch those directors/producers etc. I'll leave that ruling up to LJG765 (I already have enough blood on my hands from suggesting that some actors be rotated out for right now).
As I noted, I was checking on Letterboxd, not IMDb. Between the two, I'd agree IMDb is more authoritative. It's also obnoxious to navigate, which is why I only ever use it to read the trivia page for movies after I watch them.

Regarding Butler, I think I see the discrepancies: IMDb has Dracula 2000 and How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World tagged Fantasy, and Greenland tagged Sci-Fi. IMDb also has Thistle for Butler, but if you look you'll see his credit is only a Special Thanks. He had nothing to do with it. Also, IMDb has Tale of the Mummy tagged for both Fantasy and Sci-Fi. Perhaps you inadvertently counted it twice? By my score, his IMDb totals are 14 gross and 12 net (-2 HTTYD sequels). One is Dracula 2000, which brings us back to the debate of the line between Fantasy and Horror. None of this is meant as a dispute, mind. I'm only showing the math for why I stand corrected!

Speaking of Dracula, one of the few genuine joys I've found in ages has been Dracula Daily. If I do step outside the 80s, my top temptation would be to sit down with some movies featuring that character. It'd be nifty to get some checklist credit for them.
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After looking over the checklist, I'll repeat my request from last year to drop the IMDb Title Types. At minimum, scrap Video Game since that's for giving people credit for their work on actual video games. I'll also repeat my request to scale back the number of checks required in some sections. Ten directors/producers/writers out of eighteen is stiff. Fifteen actors from a pool of 26 isn't much better. We can get a check in multiple categories so it doesn't have to be a total of 25 watched movies, but to find ones that double up further reduces the pool of helpful picks. I have no strong interest to watch Age of Adeline but in order to get credit for Harrison Ford without resorting to yet another viewing of a Star Wars movie to also get a George Lucas check, the raw math says to pass on Adeline and sit through The Empire Strikes Back yet again. I feel five directors/producers/writers and ten actors is sufficient to promote exploration of the theme of the challenge without keeping checklist participants on too short a leash as they explore.
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Also, in case it's of any interest to anyone, I put together a Letterboxd list of 122 movies made in the 20th century set in the 21st. The first 57 are set between 2000 and this year. I thought it was a (somewhat) amusing look at how we used to anticipate the future. We anticipated a lot of cynicism. We might have been overly generous about technological advancements but we nailed that part!
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
After looking over the checklist, I'll repeat my request from last year to drop the IMDb Title Types. At minimum, scrap Video Game since that's for giving people credit for their work on actual video games. I'll also repeat my request to scale back the number of checks required in some sections. Ten directors/producers/writers out of eighteen is stiff. Fifteen actors from a pool of 26 isn't much better. We can get a check in multiple categories so it doesn't have to be a total of 25 watched movies, but to find ones that double up further reduces the pool of helpful picks. I have no strong interest to watch Age of Adeline but in order to get credit for Harrison Ford without resorting to yet another viewing of a Star Wars movie to also get a George Lucas check, the raw math says to pass on Adeline and sit through The Empire Strikes Back yet again. I feel five directors/producers/writers and ten actors is sufficient to promote exploration of the theme of the challenge without keeping checklist participants on too short a leash as they explore.

I agree with Travis. The lists are getting pretty stiff. I didn't really care for the IMDB checklist last year, and I felt that trying to get the whole checklist was work rather than fun.
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I second or third getting rid of the IMDB checklist. I also think we should 86 the chronological categories before 1930. There just aren't enough qualifying titles from that era and it is tiresome watching the same ones each year. We could also add or substitute new checkboxes like Country of Origin (borrowed from the Horror Challenge), Movies set on the Moon, Death by Laser, and so on.

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