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Subset construction is officially underway!
Previously used subsets used can be found on post 3.
2018 themes list can be found here.
Subset volunteers needed: 3
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Horror Films by year starting 1895
Previously used subsets used can be found on post 3.
2018 themes list can be found here.
Subset volunteers needed: 3
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Horror Films by year starting 1895
Pre-Horror Challenge 14: Building of the Optional Lists (Themes, Subset, & Checklist)
09-24-18, 04:40 PM
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09-24-18, 05:45 PM
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09-25-18, 02:37 PM
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Man, I really hate to do this to y'all, but whenever I paste that checklist into Excel, it tries to make those 3 dashes as part of a calculation. It plugs an equals sign before the 3 minuses, and things go off the rails from there. Does anyone know how to mass paste these in and get around that?
09-25-18, 03:22 PM
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Re: Pre-Horror Challenge 14: Building of the Optional Lists (Themes, Subset, & Checkl
Man, I really hate to do this to y'all, but whenever I paste that checklist into Excel, it tries to make those 3 dashes as part of a calculation. It plugs an equals sign before the 3 minuses, and things go off the rails from there. Does anyone know how to mass paste these in and get around that?
09-26-18, 08:12 PM
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Chad, your copy-and-past list of themes and subset films has Horrorspondents (Tenebrae) and Werewolves (Silver Bullet) swapped. Just thought that I'd let you know.
For what it's worth, I'm still on the fence about participating this year; call it burnout, if you will. Still, those prize packs from GoldenWheels may just lure me back, if only in a limited way.
For what it's worth, I'm still on the fence about participating this year; call it burnout, if you will. Still, those prize packs from GoldenWheels may just lure me back, if only in a limited way.
09-26-18, 08:49 PM
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Rbrown, I hope you are in this year and that you go for the gusto.
09-26-18, 08:55 PM
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Checklist suggestion - 'watch three or more films in a series" could be expanded to include three or more films by the same director and/or writer. Those might not be connected by content but could be thematically related, etc.
09-26-18, 10:13 PM
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09-26-18, 11:46 PM
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Re: Pre-Horror Challenge 14: Building of the Optional Lists (Themes, Subset, & Checkl
Chad, your copy-and-past list of themes and subset films has Horrorspondents (Tenebrae) and Werewolves (Silver Bullet) swapped. Just thought that I'd let you know.
For what it's worth, I'm still on the fence about participating this year; call it burnout, if you will. Still, those prize packs from GoldenWheels may just lure me back, if only in a limited way.
For what it's worth, I'm still on the fence about participating this year; call it burnout, if you will. Still, those prize packs from GoldenWheels may just lure me back, if only in a limited way.
Ditto.
09-27-18, 12:05 AM
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And in the off chance anyone missed it, the finalized checklist is up. Don't think I mentioned it.
09-27-18, 12:13 AM
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Re: Pre-Horror Challenge 14: Building of the Optional Lists (Themes, Subset, & Checkl
One more order or business before closing up shop here, and I'm carrying this over from the discussion thread--subset wild cards. Instead of doing the traditional voting we'll just go the with giving feedback like was done with the checklist decades. And all previous discussion from the other thread is duly noted.
I was reading over last year's planning thread, and I saw a discussion between Trevor and a few others that I wanted to raise again.
Trevor was arguing that there should be some wildcard leeway for subset picks:
The discussion went on from there. Here's a link:
https://forum.dvdtalk.com/13148873-post405.html
On the con side was the concern that not enough people participate in the subset movie discussion threads as it is, so giving leeway there might dampen participation further. Trevor argued that it should *help* participation since it's currently and all-or-nothing deal, which might make people just give up and not do the subset.
Another argument against the change ran along the lines of "it's supposed to be hard."
I wanted to raise this discussion again, for what's worth. You can all ignore me since I'm a relative newbie (last year was my first Oct and Christmas challenge). But my thoughts on good reasons to allow a wildcard to two with the subset list is:
1. Just watched it. I watch a ton of horror. I don't mind rewatching films I haven't seen in a while. But if I *just watched* a movie, I don't want to watch it again. So my options are to give up on the checklist because of that one movie -OR- put it on and half ass watch it just to get it checked off (which is the sort of grunt work that's just dumb).
2. Some people may have a strong reason not to watch one movie. For example, some people will simply never watch Martyrs or Wolf Creek because "torture-porn". Or they may have a reason they will never watch a certain actor, or they legit get panic attacks over spiders or whatever.
I think Trevor has a good point that if people decide they can't/won't watch one or two movies on the subset list, they may give up on it entirely and simply do their own thing. This decreases participation for all the other subset movies. Even with 2 wildcards, there are 29 movies you'd have to watch on the subset list, which is still quite a challenge and will push people to watch movies they wouldn't have picked for themselves.
SUBSET RULE SUGGESTION:
2 subset wildcards where you can sub 1 or 2 movies from this year's subset list with another film from past year's subset lists -or- the Criterion/Comedy picks.
We have that great list of past years' picks. Would be nice to use it for something like this.
ETA: Since there are already 3 wildcards (for watching non-horror or watching shorter episodes), this could be added an an option under those same 3 wildcards so that the number of wildcards stays the same? If people want it harder.
Trevor was arguing that there should be some wildcard leeway for subset picks:
The discussion went on from there. Here's a link:
https://forum.dvdtalk.com/13148873-post405.html
On the con side was the concern that not enough people participate in the subset movie discussion threads as it is, so giving leeway there might dampen participation further. Trevor argued that it should *help* participation since it's currently and all-or-nothing deal, which might make people just give up and not do the subset.
Another argument against the change ran along the lines of "it's supposed to be hard."
I wanted to raise this discussion again, for what's worth. You can all ignore me since I'm a relative newbie (last year was my first Oct and Christmas challenge). But my thoughts on good reasons to allow a wildcard to two with the subset list is:
1. Just watched it. I watch a ton of horror. I don't mind rewatching films I haven't seen in a while. But if I *just watched* a movie, I don't want to watch it again. So my options are to give up on the checklist because of that one movie -OR- put it on and half ass watch it just to get it checked off (which is the sort of grunt work that's just dumb).
2. Some people may have a strong reason not to watch one movie. For example, some people will simply never watch Martyrs or Wolf Creek because "torture-porn". Or they may have a reason they will never watch a certain actor, or they legit get panic attacks over spiders or whatever.
I think Trevor has a good point that if people decide they can't/won't watch one or two movies on the subset list, they may give up on it entirely and simply do their own thing. This decreases participation for all the other subset movies. Even with 2 wildcards, there are 29 movies you'd have to watch on the subset list, which is still quite a challenge and will push people to watch movies they wouldn't have picked for themselves.
SUBSET RULE SUGGESTION:
2 subset wildcards where you can sub 1 or 2 movies from this year's subset list with another film from past year's subset lists -or- the Criterion/Comedy picks.
We have that great list of past years' picks. Would be nice to use it for something like this.
ETA: Since there are already 3 wildcards (for watching non-horror or watching shorter episodes), this could be added an an option under those same 3 wildcards so that the number of wildcards stays the same? If people want it harder.
09-27-18, 06:43 AM
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Re: Pre-Horror Challenge 14: Building of the Optional Lists (Themes, Subset, & Checkl
Hey, that was my suggestion. Trevor suggested the following change to it, which I agree to. It makes it less broad:
UPDATED SUBSET RULE SUGGESTION:
2 subset wildcards where you can sub 1 or 2 movies from this year's subset list with the Criterion and/or Comedy picks.
ETA: If we're voting, I vote yes.
UPDATED SUBSET RULE SUGGESTION:
2 subset wildcards where you can sub 1 or 2 movies from this year's subset list with the Criterion and/or Comedy picks.
ETA: If we're voting, I vote yes.
09-27-18, 07:38 AM
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I think that means jholmes' suggestions made the cut, nice.
My own thought is that the horror challenge is a nice diversion from work stress; it's a good chance to try to dodge work and watch horror movies instead. I think that's one of the reasons I most lost forward to it every year as a break from the mundane usual details of life where you have to put get everything else done and then see if there's time for a break.
My own thought is that the horror challenge is a nice diversion from work stress; it's a good chance to try to dodge work and watch horror movies instead. I think that's one of the reasons I most lost forward to it every year as a break from the mundane usual details of life where you have to put get everything else done and then see if there's time for a break.
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09-27-18, 01:26 PM
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One more order or business before closing up shop here, and I'm carrying this over from the discussion thread--subset wild cards. Instead of doing the traditional voting we'll just go the with giving feedback like was done with the checklist decades. And all previous discussion from the other thread is duly noted.
09-27-18, 02:33 PM
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I would just leave it as it is. Substitutions really do go against the spirit. If you're doing it for the prize then your head is in the wrong place. I REALLY didn't want to re-watch The Martyrs last year, but I did. I think the theme night conversation was one of the most enlightening conversations I've seen in a long while. That has stuck with me for an entire year, and I have a higher appreciation for the movie. I'm not sure I would want to watch it every year though.
09-27-18, 04:05 PM
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I think substitutions go against the spirit of the subset list. No one is requiring people do every subset film after all. Myself, I just try to get one thing in for the theme a day. If I miss a theme night, I’m not upset.
09-27-18, 04:11 PM
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Same. As many movies as I’m able to watch, It would just get too tiresome for me to binge on one theme. Props to those who are able to do it!
09-27-18, 04:42 PM
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My feelings exactly. It's all supposed to just be a fun challenge. Sometimes we aren't able to meet every challenge in life; that doesn't mean we should make it easier.
09-27-18, 09:23 PM
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Re: Pre-Horror Challenge 14: Building of the Optional Lists (Themes, Subset, & Checkl
And I instantly regret posting whatever that was late last night. 
Anyway, I have my answer. No changes.
EDIT: Looks like we're done in here. Big thanks to everyone that helped.
Anyway, I have my answer. No changes.
EDIT: Looks like we're done in here. Big thanks to everyone that helped.
Last edited by Chad; 09-30-18 at 04:44 PM.