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Old 06-02-15 | 02:37 PM
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Are you watching it on Netflix? Speaking of which, I signed up to add DVD'S to my plan. I'm on the 2 disc at a time plan.
No. DVDs. 99% of my viewing is my personal, physical, collection. I rarely stream and then mainly use Amazon if what I want is available "free" with Prime. I do a occasional Youtube or Hulu session if I can't get what I want free from Amazon and they have it free.

I read somewhere Netflix is going to jack up the price of their streaming+disc plans by as much as 25% soon.
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No. DVDs. 99% of my viewing is my personal, physical, collection. I rarely stream and then mainly use Amazon if what I want is available "free" with Prime. I do a occasional Youtube or Hulu session if I can't get what I want free from Amazon and they have it free.

I read somewhere Netflix is going to jack up the price of their streaming+disc plans by as much as 25% soon.
Luckily, I'm just on a free trial of the DVD plan, so wouldn't be out anything if they jack up the rates and I cancel.
Old 06-02-15 | 10:30 PM
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I missed the reason why some folk are starting their lists as early as May 26th ?? clue me in here.
Old 06-02-15 | 11:01 PM
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I missed the reason why some folk are starting their lists as early as May 26th ?? clue me in here.
I decided to try starting the challenge on Memorial Day this year.

For my next series, I decided to go with Season 1 of Ancient Aliens.
Old 06-03-15 | 12:16 AM
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I decided to try starting the challenge on Memorial Day this year.

For my next series, I decided to go with Season 1 of Ancient Aliens.
funny you should mention Ancient Aliens since I began this challenge and my 'Animal' themed challenge with an episode of the series.
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Have you seen Citizenfour? Thanks to http://cryptome.org/ I was able to watch it online and it was pretty interesting. It follows Snowden from before the data is released through him ending up in Russia.

The worst part about the entire thing was the crap from the director at the very beginning talking about she might be taken out by the government because of the films she makes. It was really hard to not turn it off through that stuff but she eventually shuts up and gets on with the story.
I'll have to give a watch. Thanks for the recommendation (and the warning!)
Old 06-03-15 | 05:41 AM
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Finally broke down and "double-dipped" on The Man With No Name Trilogy, picking it up on Blu-ray for $15 (CDN) yesterday. I have to pretty much blame this challenge for that!
Old 06-03-15 | 09:43 AM
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I have a question for people who might be more knowledgeable. I remember hearing that in previous challenges, at least one person watched sports. Does that mean that besides movies about sports, events are also eligible? Also, what would people think about news, since the stories are history making?
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I wouldn't count news for the same reason I wouldn't count movies and shows based on current events. It's not history yet.

If we're talking about watching stuff like CBS reports from the 80s on the Cold War, that's a different story.
Old 06-03-15 | 11:35 AM
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I wouldn't count news for the same reason I wouldn't count movies and shows based on current events. It's not history yet.

If we're talking about watching stuff like CBS reports from the 80s on the Cold War, that's a different story.
I was thinking the same thing, but wanted to get other opinions. I never ran this challenge before.

Today, I plan to watch some aviation documentaries, as I'm excited about my annual vacation to Oshkosh next month.
Old 06-03-15 | 12:10 PM
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I'm with Peepers... Sports and news has to be older, archive type, stuff and nothing currently running. Even then I'd put them in the Zeitgeist category if they are actual programs that aired live at the time the recording was made.

We got into a somewhat heated discussion a few years back on just what should be allowed. I'm not keen on a repeat visit so I'll just say I'm against Sporting Events or "Hard" News Programs being included no matter *when* they were recorded/aired/played. There's so much that *is* allowed that if you can't find something that fits you aren't trying very hard. Save those two for the MYO challenge.

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Old 06-03-15 | 12:23 PM
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I'm with Peepers... Sports and news has to be older, archive type, stuff and nothing currently running. Even then I'd put them in the Zeitgeist category if they are actual programs that aired live at the time the recording was made.
I thought so too, which always bogged my puny brain that someone xggfcounted sffdfpoggygorts.
Old 06-03-15 | 12:46 PM
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OK... I have to somewhat amend my comments about Mankind: The Story of All of Us where I said:
A comment that hit me early in the first episode was that man appeared 4 million years after the Earth was formed.
I played back that part of the first episode and the comment was 14 *Billion* years and I'd heard 14 *Million* instead. That number works.

It still moves *very* quickly with some events getting the briefest of mentions. Events I consider somewhat significant (or at least worth a mention) are ignored. I attribute much of that to the overall short time allotted to get this information out but then they spend lots of time on Rome's attempt to get China's secret to silk and ignore Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, the Mayans, and more. It's also a bit disconcerting that their on-screen "experts" are people like Anthony Bordon and a former Navy Seal. It's entertaining but because of its omissions so far I have to be somewhat mistrusting of its "facts" and put it in much the same category as Ancient Aliens. It also feels *very* biased towards Western/European Civilization and leaves out much information because of this.
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I thought so too, which always bogged my puny brain that someone xggfcounted sffdfpoggygorts.
Looks like you got to my post before I edited it to remove that part and be more firm with my opinion...
Old 06-03-15 | 01:15 PM
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I'm with Peepers... Sports and news has to be older, archive type, stuff and nothing currently running. Even then I'd put them in the Zeitgeist category if they are actual programs that aired live at the time the recording was made.

We got into a somewhat heated discussion a few years back on just what should be allowed. I'm not keen on a repeat visit so I'll just say I'm against Sporting Events or "Hard" News Programs being included no matter *when* they were recorded/aired/played. There's so much that *is* allowed that if you can't find something that fits you aren't trying very hard. Save those two for the MYO challenge.

Exactly my thoughts, even as a newcomer. I even just got two more things today to add to my watch list. The Blue Max, which I rented off of Amazon Instant Video, for $3, which btw, I love that movie, having seen it twice before. I also bought One Six Right off of Amazon Instant Video too, a documentary I had seen once before, about Van Nuys Airport I believe. Been years since I've seen it, so don't quote me.
Old 06-03-15 | 01:23 PM
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An update for the book I am reading. I'm currently in the fighter aircraft section, and just today finished reading the section on some of the more famous WW1 Aces.
Old 06-03-15 | 01:38 PM
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are we getting wild cards for this challenge? - I want to rewatch an Indiana Jones movie.
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are we getting wild cards for this challenge? - I want to rewatch an Indiana Jones movie.
Zeitgeist wild cards are allowed. You get three of them. I'd allow it.

Just finished a great episode of Flying Through Time on Amazon Prime about the F-104 Starfighter. It may not have been successful in the U.S., but up till the mid 80s, it was almost the standard NATO fighter, and still serves in Turkey.
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...I even just got two more things today to add to my watch list. The Blue Max, which I rented off of Amazon Instant Video, for $3, which btw, I love that movie, having seen it twice before.
That's a favorite of mine too. My copy is in the 20th Century Fox "Studio Classics" set (aka Classic Quad #11) I picked up when it first came out (*5* years ago!?!) and *still* haven't opened it! It has: The Blue Max, The Desert Fox, Immortal Sergeant, and Sink the Bismarck all of which are among my most favorite war films. I plan to finally open and watch that set this year!
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That's a favorite of mine too. My copy is in the 20th Century Fox "Studio Classics" set (aka Classic Quad #11) I picked up when it first came out (*5* years ago!?!) and *still* haven't opened it! It has: The Blue Max, The Desert Fox, Immortal Sergeant, and Sink the Bismarck all of which are among my most favorite war films. I plan to finally open and watch that set this year!
While I also own Flyboys I have to say The Blue Max is head and shoulders above it.
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I'm of the mindset that older sport events and newscasts are perfect for this Challenge.

Current stuff? Eh. Unless you're 'challenging' yourself to watch stuff you hate, no.
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After a day and a half of video games, I finally got bored and was ready to watch TV. I just finished an episode of Forensic Files on HLN. Not only did the murder suspect plead guilty, but at the sentencing, he asked for the death penalty. The jury was only too happy to oblige.
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I'll try and start a book soon. Possibly starting with Policing Cinema: Movies and Censorship in Early-Twentieth-Century America.
I'd be interested in your thoughts, if you get to it.

I'm still reading a history of Silent American Films, but I'm interspersing with fiction, so it's taken/taking ages...
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Works for me. I think I was remembering that I always thought a historical challenge should only include things that were more focused on something historical and not just something that took place in the a generic past time frame.
My memory is that previous discussions have wavered from one end of the "set vaguelly in the past/a genre with ties to history" to "actually set in a recognisable period/time, with pretence at accuracy".

Aren't all documentaries also theoretically eligible, regardless of historical-ness..? Or did I imagine that?! If that's the case, I'd certainly argue that Westerns and War are more 'history" than many documentaries, even if they lack the "Truth" (theoretically) included in the docs. So those things (war/western vs. documentaries) would be two different sides of the History Challenge square/triangle/whatever. Both fine and in the spirit of things, but very different from each other.
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You should look up stuff on Hitler's personal physician that got Hitler addicted to certain drugs. He wasn't in the military so he had his wife or someone make his own special uniform to wear, complete with fake awards as well.
Random historical nuggets! Yes!

Here's one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Pujol_Garcia

Possibly the only person who became a spy on their own, solely to become a self-made double agent, because he didn't like the Nazis. And was so effective in his chosen role that he was paid/extorted money to fund a vast fictional network of spies... sowed misinformation critical (so they say) in keeping many troops away from the D-Day landings, and the ultimate clincher: he won top awards from BOTH SIDES for services rendered, Even though half those services were fake!


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