Hear Ye, Hear Ye! Second Annual Historical Appreciation Challenge Discussion Thread!
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is kind of silly to say that one film or other would not be as historically acurate enough or that it could go on another challenge when all films take artistic freedoms with characters, dates, locations etc. If period pieces count as they did last year, then most of not all should count. does it matter that is about two lovers that did or did not exist in pre-revolution france or two brothers looking for revenge from the Qin dinasty and kicking ass while doing it?
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is kind of silly to say that one film or other would not be as historically acurate enough or that it could go on another challenge when all films take artistic freedoms with characters, dates, locations etc. If period pieces count as they did last year, then most of not all should count. does it matter that is about two lovers that did or did not exist in pre-revolution france or two brothers looking for revenge from the Qin dinasty and kicking ass while doing it?
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I'm planning on watching Dream of the Red Chamber again during this challenge. It's an A-movie (at least by Hong Kong standards) drama about romantic intrigues in an aristocratic household in 18th century China, based on a classic novel that is believed to be at least somewhat autobiographical. In other words, pretty much what this challenge is supposed to be about, although it would technically be considered a "safe" movie for the Drive-In Challenge, since it was a Shaw Brothers production.
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First thanks to everyone who commented on the samurai/kung fu issue. Lots to think about since everyone made good points. The movies I had in mind when I asked the question were any of Kurasawa's black and white samurai films and something like The Kid With the Golden Arm from the Shaw Brothers. The latter is about gold sent for famine relief which is the target of a bandit gang. This leads to lots of colorful martial arts action. So its a pretty generic situation and I'm still not sure I'd count it for this challenge. I would like opinions on whether films from The Sleepy Eyes of Death or the five movie Miyamoto Mushashi series, both from AnimEigo, would count (Any thoughts Ash Ketchum?).
"Sleepy Eyes of Death" is trickier. I don't believe it's based on any real historical figures, although the historical setting is very specific. MinLShaw may want to weigh in on this.
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I blind-bought that BD a couple months ago and immediately fell in love with it. I highly recommend that you watch the "Night at the Movies" before the film. I found that really added to the experience. Also, there's a short film, Cruise of the Zaca that would be eligible for this challenge. There was an oceanographic expedition conducted using Errol Flynn's schooner, the Zaca, and Flynn filmed it. It's pretty neat; a sort of early Discovery Channel program. Earth-shattering? No. But worthwhile, I felt, and pretty much any documentary is, by design, eligible for this challenge so while you've got the disc loaded there's really no greater impetus to give it a look.
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Excited to get this going. I bought the Complete Deadwood Series on BD and I'm looking forward to revisiting it. Also, contemplating watching the Ken Burns series The War (because it's streaming).
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I just did some basic research and it appears this is set in feudal Japan. Good enough for me. Have fun, those of you who want to watch Sleepy Eyes of Death!
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maybe I'll finally get around to seeing History of England, I've only had it for 2 years without watching it but I usually don't like to do TV for challenges. Off the top of my head I wouldn't even be able to tell how tv episodes count. lol.
Maybe I'll pick up the Miyamoto Mushashi series as I've been meaning to. how about the Mikogami trilogy?
MinLShaw, i'm with you about custom/period pieces but many historical dramas are based on these. Most people need a human element. I don't have that many or maybe I just don't think certai stuff as being period pieces but for this challenge it would be a bit hard to do otherwise, in my opinion unless is strictly war and documentaries.
Maybe I'll pick up the Miyamoto Mushashi series as I've been meaning to. how about the Mikogami trilogy?
MinLShaw, i'm with you about custom/period pieces but many historical dramas are based on these. Most people need a human element. I don't have that many or maybe I just don't think certai stuff as being period pieces but for this challenge it would be a bit hard to do otherwise, in my opinion unless is strictly war and documentaries.
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Darn it, Deadwood. I could clearly make this a Westerns-only challenge since I dug up so many preparing for the B-Movie Challenge--Django, OUATITW, Boetticher, 7 Men from Now, Deadwood--but then I got on the Flynn kick. Maybe a Flynn mini-marathon followed by the above Westerns.
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I loved this challenge last year. I was able to watch a lot of my stock. My personal stock runs about like this; 40% Western / War, 40% Horror, 10 % comedy 10% Drama, Documentary. Numbers are not exact just my estimation. So i was able to use a lot of my DVD stock that I already own. Plus this month I will be adding a lot of new titles to boot. With the new Gettysburg, Once upon a Time in the West, Horse Soldiers, etc all coming out this month. I should be primed and ready.
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- One-Hour TV Special
Another One-Hour TV Special - Movie
- One-Hour TV Episode
One 30-Minute TV Episode
Another 30-Minute TV Episode - Movie
Does that help?
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I checked last year's list thread to see if I ever made it through Where Eagles Dare. It looks like all I watched was Mad Men and one episode of 30 for 30
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/57...st-thread.html
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/57...st-thread.html
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Two of my favorite Flynn movies, both eligible for this challenge, are THE ADVENTURES OF DON JUAN, and SILVER RIVER, both 1948. DON JUAN is quintessential womanizing Flynn while SILVER RIVER, directed by Raoul Walsh, is a post-Civil War western in which he's a former Confederate officer trying to strike it rich out west and playing dirty while doing it. Flynn's portrayals in both are darker than in his earlier films and make them, IMHO, more interesting.
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Another interesting subset of historical films is the 1930s disaster movie based on actual disasters:
THE LAST DAYS OF POMPEII (1935)
SAN FRANCISCO (1936) - about the San Francisco Earthquake
IN OLD CHICAGO (1937) - about the Chicago Fire
THE SISTERS (1938) - with Flynn and Bette Davis - about the SF Earthquake
Plus, historical dramas about more generic disasters:
THE GOOD EARTH (1937) - based on Pearl Buck's novel about peasants in China, interrupted by a storm of locusts
SUEZ (1938) - about the digging of the Suez Canal, interrupted by a massive sandstorm
THE RAINS CAME (1939) - romantic drama interrupted by huge flooding in India
THE LAST DAYS OF POMPEII (1935)
SAN FRANCISCO (1936) - about the San Francisco Earthquake
IN OLD CHICAGO (1937) - about the Chicago Fire
THE SISTERS (1938) - with Flynn and Bette Davis - about the SF Earthquake
Plus, historical dramas about more generic disasters:
THE GOOD EARTH (1937) - based on Pearl Buck's novel about peasants in China, interrupted by a storm of locusts
SUEZ (1938) - about the digging of the Suez Canal, interrupted by a massive sandstorm
THE RAINS CAME (1939) - romantic drama interrupted by huge flooding in India
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Had to dust this one off...
Consider yourself reminded.
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The Musashi Miyamoto series you're referring to would definitely count. It's based on the book series about Musashi (which I read recently) and focuses on actual historical figures and events. I haven't seen these films myself but based on what I've read, the series may actually constitute a closer adaptation of the books than the more famous Inagaki/Mifune Samurai trilogy. I want to see these films myself.
"Sleepy Eyes of Death" is trickier. I don't believe it's based on any real historical figures, although the historical setting is very specific. MinLShaw may want to weigh in on this.
"Sleepy Eyes of Death" is trickier. I don't believe it's based on any real historical figures, although the historical setting is very specific. MinLShaw may want to weigh in on this.
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My personal point of view regarding the Drive-In/Exploitation/B-Movie Challenge is that its definitions are too broad, mainly because of numerous safe actors/directors/sub-genres, etc., which flow from inclusions in the checklist. Kung fu movies come into the Drive-In Challenge because of the popularity of badly dubbed movies from this genre which were shown in venues appropriate to the challenge. I watch Hong Kong movies in the original language with subtitles (when necessary).
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If a Challenge's rules are too broad for your tastes, nothing's keeping you from adhering to your own self-imposed, stricter set of rules. For instance, I made sure to watch only badly dubbed kung fu movies during the Drive-in Challenge, because to me those seemed more fitting to the spirit of the Challenge. I felt like I was cheating when I added i Maniaci to my list because I watched it subbed (even though it was a Fulci movie with Barbara Steele in the cast).
I think there's an understood "spirit" of each challenge and this one sort of revolves around those things that are historical, but I think it's best to let people interpret that as they will. If someone is just going to watch anything they want to watch, then why even participate in the challenge?
I feel lucky to run the Criterion Challenge because Criterion either released it or they didn't. So, I don't really have to try and settle disputes or enforce rules. Same goes for the Academy Awards.
I find that most of our challenges fall along these lines where there are things in dispute, but I've always been in favor of being inclusive when it comes to these things because it creates more participants and more discourse about works we may not have seen.
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I'm also planning on re-watching The Bride Napping, and first time viewings of Three Sinners, Princess Chang Ping and The Legend of the Purple Hairpin.
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I may participate in this challenge because I love docs and have a bunch of unwatched ones.
I don't want to be disruptive, but I don't know why this has to be so hard. HISTORICAL CHALLENGE should be documentaries or films at least based on ACTUAL EVENTS, not period pieces like any film having to do with WWII, the West, etc. I would include Robin Hood, simply because it's really unknown whether he really existed or not. Also, I would include the Ten Commandments because it is based on what many would consider actual events documented in the Bible.
However, I would not include Hogan's Heroes, MASH, Wild Wild West, etc. because they are fiction, just placed in past.
I know that I will be outvoted. I guess in the end it doesn't matter, this is just an opportunity to work through our unwatched pile. Perhaps we should include Star Wars because it happened A long time ago in a galaxy far, far way
I don't want to be disruptive, but I don't know why this has to be so hard. HISTORICAL CHALLENGE should be documentaries or films at least based on ACTUAL EVENTS, not period pieces like any film having to do with WWII, the West, etc. I would include Robin Hood, simply because it's really unknown whether he really existed or not. Also, I would include the Ten Commandments because it is based on what many would consider actual events documented in the Bible.
However, I would not include Hogan's Heroes, MASH, Wild Wild West, etc. because they are fiction, just placed in past.
I know that I will be outvoted. I guess in the end it doesn't matter, this is just an opportunity to work through our unwatched pile. Perhaps we should include Star Wars because it happened A long time ago in a galaxy far, far way
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Just sayin'...
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I'm planning on doing 45 westerns and then panicking because I haven't planned for what happens after that.
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Perhaps you should, if that is what you really believe.
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For quite a while, history was taught with an almost exclusive emphasis on people whose names were prominently celebrated: monarchs, presidents, inventors, the most notorious criminals and acclaimed artists. In the last couple of decades, however, there has emerged a growing belief that even though those are the people most associated with the events that have shaped history, that we should make an effort to understand the conditions of life for the majority of people whose stories were never regarded as important.
It is based on this logic that works of fiction set during specific historical periods are included in this challenge. There was no "Hawkeye" Pierce, but M*A*S*H made a concentrated effort to represent the kinds of experiences that American soldiers had during the Korean War. There was no King Arthur or Robin Hood, but their values as mythological folk figures is undeniable. Stories based on such figures, then, can be seen more as Humanities studies than strict History, but are still under the umbrella of Social Sciences.
Participants should make the distinction between this challenge and anything that would qualify for the Sci-Fi/Fantasy Challenge. If it would make sense for that challenge, it has no place in this one.
It is based on this logic that works of fiction set during specific historical periods are included in this challenge. There was no "Hawkeye" Pierce, but M*A*S*H made a concentrated effort to represent the kinds of experiences that American soldiers had during the Korean War. There was no King Arthur or Robin Hood, but their values as mythological folk figures is undeniable. Stories based on such figures, then, can be seen more as Humanities studies than strict History, but are still under the umbrella of Social Sciences.
Participants should make the distinction between this challenge and anything that would qualify for the Sci-Fi/Fantasy Challenge. If it would make sense for that challenge, it has no place in this one.