Echo Bridge Takes On Miramax DVD Titles
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wow, despite being anamorphic, the picture on from dusk till dawn looks horrible. Theres a gitter to the image during any fast motion (see the first action scene) Almost like they over stuffed the disc with extras.
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Hellraiser III: Hell On Earth was my introduction to Pinhead and the Hellraiser series, so it holds a special place to me. I understand there are two versions of this film --- R-rated and Unrated. The theatrical release was 93 minutes in length while the Unrated version was 98 minutes. According to the Amazon website, the new Echo Bridge release's runtime is 98 minutes (check link below).
http://www.amazon.com/Hellraiser-III-Earth-Terry-Farrell/dp/B004P7CMBY/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1302032692&sr=1-1
I'm assuming the same version on this individual title is the same as on the Double Feature and Triple Feature sets. Can someone clarify for me if the Echo Bridge release is the Unrated version at the specified 98 minutes or if Amazon/Echo Bridge messed up on the listed runtime? For those who own the new Echo Bridge release, what is the runtime for H3 listed on the back of the DVD case? Thanks.
http://www.amazon.com/Hellraiser-III-Earth-Terry-Farrell/dp/B004P7CMBY/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1302032692&sr=1-1
I'm assuming the same version on this individual title is the same as on the Double Feature and Triple Feature sets. Can someone clarify for me if the Echo Bridge release is the Unrated version at the specified 98 minutes or if Amazon/Echo Bridge messed up on the listed runtime? For those who own the new Echo Bridge release, what is the runtime for H3 listed on the back of the DVD case? Thanks.
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Hellraiser III: Hell On Earth was my introduction to Pinhead and the Hellraiser series, so it holds a special place to me. I understand there are two versions of this film --- R-rated and Unrated. The theatrical release was 93 minutes in length while the Unrated version was 98 minutes.
Brief run down is, R version deletes graphic gore + tones down the sex scene. Full uncut 97 minute version features the uncut gore and sex scene + added character scenes.
The 93 minute version just contains the uncut gore and sex scene + some soundtrack alteration in a couple scenes(most obviously the final scene and cut to end credits).
Last edited by Julie Walker; 04-06-11 at 02:12 PM.
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Re: Echo Bridge Takes On Miramax DVD Titles
i did watch it it looked like it had gore....if you can remember any parts of the movie that was in the uncut ot unrated i can remember if i saw it
#107
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I guess I'm not understanding this whole process. Why would a company license titles from a studio and not get the original elements to work with? Why are we getting laserdisc and bootleg transfers?
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Does Miramax even own Hellraiser 3 completely? Paramount always had the home video market for the movie and I was surprised when they finally released it on DVD and it seems just as fast it went OOP. I was looking forward to this as a cheap way of obtaining Hellraiser 3 since I sort of like it. The Uk Anchor Bay edition with the special features is OOP and I'm not spending 20 bucks on a used copy of the Paramount edition. I just wont get it then
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Miramax does own Hellraiser III, they had a brief distribution deal with Paramount in the early 90's just before they were bought by Disney. I don't know how long Paramount had the rights to Hellraiser but he it seems they no longer do.
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Spoiler:
What running time does the dvd clock in at? That's also a good indicator to know which version is on this release.
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Twin Peaks Season 2 DVD, Where Art Thou?
It's been two years now since the release of Artisan's Twin Peaks Season 1 DVD set, and the question on everyone's mind is, where's season 2? The good news is that most countries outside the US will be getting it in September of 2004. The bad news is that no US release is in sight. Why is that you're probably asking? In recent months there have been various news reports in which Artisan has claimed that they either don't have the rights any more or that the first season didn't sell enough to warrant season 2. Neither of these is true. Artisan's deal for the Spelling/Republic library (which includes Peaks) doesn't run out until September of 2005, and the Peaks box set was a fairly good seller for them, only bested by large blockbuster titles such as Terminator 2. So why haven't they really gotten around to season 2 yet? I've spent the last month or so looking into this, including talking with a couple of sources inside Artisan. The answer, sadly, boils down to petty corporate rivalry between Artisan and Paramount.
Paramount's parent company, Viacom, owned 80% of Spelling Entertainment in the late '90s due to a 1994 purchase of Blockbuster Entertainment. At the time, Spelling was showing huge losses and Paramount was trying to unload the unprofitable division. Thus they made the licensing deal with Artisan in 1998, figuring the catalog wasn't worth much. Then things changed in 1999. Spelling Entertainment underwent a dramatic restructuring that caused the company to start turning a profit, and suddenly Paramount started paying more attention. Instead of trying to dump Spelling, they purchased the remaining 20% to gain full ownership of the company and officially merged it into Viacom's family. Around the same time, dvd sales really took off, and before you knew it, home entertainment companies were eager to exploit their catalogs for titles to release on the hot dvd format. That library that Spelling let Artisan have cheap was now worth so much more.
So here's the interesting question to ask: Why has Artisan done so little to exploit the Spelling/Republic catalog, when every other home entertainment company is scrambling to dig into their back catalog for new dvd releases? The Spelling deal gives them the rights to over 6,300 films, yet to date they've only released about 30, most of which are just re-issues of the pre-licensing deal Republic discs. The answer once again, is Paramount. Because Paramount owns Spelling/Republic, they own all the source prints and negatives to every film and tv show licensed by Artisan (aside from prints have found their way into the hands of collectors). And Paramount doesn't like to share. Like most large entertainment corporations, they protect their assets fiercely once they deem them to have value, and would rather do nothing with them than let go of them cheaply for another company to profit off of. We already saw this in Paramount's refusal to license the Peaks pilot (which wasn't covered in the Spelling deal) at a reasonable price to Artisan for the first season set. With this new huge DVD market to be exploited, Paramount knew it had value, and they weren't going to let go of it easily. So we lost out on getting a US release of the pilot with the season 1 set. Now something similar is happening with season 2, and all the Spelling/Republic titles for that matter. The licensing deal Artisan has gives them the rights to release the titles, but it doesn't guarantee them access to the source materials to make new masters from. Paramount owns those, and they are doing everything they can to make it difficult for Artisan to get a hold of them to make new dvd masters from. Artisan has older existing masters for much of the catalog, but most were done for VHS releases and don't live up to the quality expected for dvd releases. New hi-def masters have to be made for dvd releases. In most cases, Paramount is either asking huge unreasonable fees for access to the source materials, or outright refusing to let Artisan have them. Artisan is a small company without deep pockets, so they have to watch carefully how much they spend on a disc. At the prices Paramount is asking, in most cases they just can't justify spending the money for new transfers (and of course if Paramount refuses outright they're stuck even more). That leaves them with two options: release sub-par discs that they know people will complain about and not accept, or not release the title at all. Artisan has opted for the latter.
So what this all means, is that we'll probably never see a release of Twin Peaks season 2 here in the US until after September of 2005, unless Paramount suddenly has a change of heart. The good news is that since Paramount is already doing new masters for the European and Asian discs, they'll have them done and can quickly churn out the discs once they re-acquire control of the Spelling library. The other wild card in all this is Lion's Gate, who now own Artisan. They're a bit more agressive with their home video releases and may decide it's worth spending the extra money to bring out some of the Spelling/Republic titles. Though given Paramount's lack of cooperation, I'd say it's a long shot at best. Most likely if you want to see Twin Peaks season 2 on dvd, you'll have to either import a copy from another region late next year, or wait until after September 2005 for a US release.
It's been two years now since the release of Artisan's Twin Peaks Season 1 DVD set, and the question on everyone's mind is, where's season 2? The good news is that most countries outside the US will be getting it in September of 2004. The bad news is that no US release is in sight. Why is that you're probably asking? In recent months there have been various news reports in which Artisan has claimed that they either don't have the rights any more or that the first season didn't sell enough to warrant season 2. Neither of these is true. Artisan's deal for the Spelling/Republic library (which includes Peaks) doesn't run out until September of 2005, and the Peaks box set was a fairly good seller for them, only bested by large blockbuster titles such as Terminator 2. So why haven't they really gotten around to season 2 yet? I've spent the last month or so looking into this, including talking with a couple of sources inside Artisan. The answer, sadly, boils down to petty corporate rivalry between Artisan and Paramount.
Paramount's parent company, Viacom, owned 80% of Spelling Entertainment in the late '90s due to a 1994 purchase of Blockbuster Entertainment. At the time, Spelling was showing huge losses and Paramount was trying to unload the unprofitable division. Thus they made the licensing deal with Artisan in 1998, figuring the catalog wasn't worth much. Then things changed in 1999. Spelling Entertainment underwent a dramatic restructuring that caused the company to start turning a profit, and suddenly Paramount started paying more attention. Instead of trying to dump Spelling, they purchased the remaining 20% to gain full ownership of the company and officially merged it into Viacom's family. Around the same time, dvd sales really took off, and before you knew it, home entertainment companies were eager to exploit their catalogs for titles to release on the hot dvd format. That library that Spelling let Artisan have cheap was now worth so much more.
So here's the interesting question to ask: Why has Artisan done so little to exploit the Spelling/Republic catalog, when every other home entertainment company is scrambling to dig into their back catalog for new dvd releases? The Spelling deal gives them the rights to over 6,300 films, yet to date they've only released about 30, most of which are just re-issues of the pre-licensing deal Republic discs. The answer once again, is Paramount. Because Paramount owns Spelling/Republic, they own all the source prints and negatives to every film and tv show licensed by Artisan (aside from prints have found their way into the hands of collectors). And Paramount doesn't like to share. Like most large entertainment corporations, they protect their assets fiercely once they deem them to have value, and would rather do nothing with them than let go of them cheaply for another company to profit off of. We already saw this in Paramount's refusal to license the Peaks pilot (which wasn't covered in the Spelling deal) at a reasonable price to Artisan for the first season set. With this new huge DVD market to be exploited, Paramount knew it had value, and they weren't going to let go of it easily. So we lost out on getting a US release of the pilot with the season 1 set. Now something similar is happening with season 2, and all the Spelling/Republic titles for that matter. The licensing deal Artisan has gives them the rights to release the titles, but it doesn't guarantee them access to the source materials to make new masters from. Paramount owns those, and they are doing everything they can to make it difficult for Artisan to get a hold of them to make new dvd masters from. Artisan has older existing masters for much of the catalog, but most were done for VHS releases and don't live up to the quality expected for dvd releases. New hi-def masters have to be made for dvd releases. In most cases, Paramount is either asking huge unreasonable fees for access to the source materials, or outright refusing to let Artisan have them. Artisan is a small company without deep pockets, so they have to watch carefully how much they spend on a disc. At the prices Paramount is asking, in most cases they just can't justify spending the money for new transfers (and of course if Paramount refuses outright they're stuck even more). That leaves them with two options: release sub-par discs that they know people will complain about and not accept, or not release the title at all. Artisan has opted for the latter.
So what this all means, is that we'll probably never see a release of Twin Peaks season 2 here in the US until after September of 2005, unless Paramount suddenly has a change of heart. The good news is that since Paramount is already doing new masters for the European and Asian discs, they'll have them done and can quickly churn out the discs once they re-acquire control of the Spelling library. The other wild card in all this is Lion's Gate, who now own Artisan. They're a bit more agressive with their home video releases and may decide it's worth spending the extra money to bring out some of the Spelling/Republic titles. Though given Paramount's lack of cooperation, I'd say it's a long shot at best. Most likely if you want to see Twin Peaks season 2 on dvd, you'll have to either import a copy from another region late next year, or wait until after September 2005 for a US release.
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Hello. Yesterday I bought Dead Man at Kmart for $5. I haven't opened it yet. Does anyone know if this or any of the other titles come with the special features? Any idea if it is in widescreen like the original DVD release was?
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Doesn't it seem weird that if Miramax owns the film completely then Echo Bridge would have access to the Paramount DVD that was just released a couple of years ago? Why would Miramax, the owners of said film, give Echo Bridge a stretched imaged bootleg of a laserdisc instead of the same clean version released by Paramount? And if Miramax does own the film but not the Paramount release, then what a bunch of cheap bastards in not striking up a new print.
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While Miramax owns the film, Paramount probably made their own home video master from the film. Since Miramax never released the film on home video they never made their own video master, so Echo Bridge would have to get the master from Paramount who probably isn't willing to let it go cheap. Distributors eventually loose the rights to films, but whatever they created for the property remain theirs. Extras, package design, even new masters they funded stay with them even if they can't release it. Echo Bridge probably found a foreign distributor who had an old full frame video master and used it. I doubt they are going to spend the money to do a whole new transfer of a film they are selling for 5 bucks, actually who knows how much for wholesale, maybe 3 dollars.
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While Miramax owns the film, Paramount probably made their own home video master from the film. Since Miramax never released the film on home video they never made their own video master, so Echo Bridge would have to get the master from Paramount who probably isn't willing to let it go cheap. Distributors eventually loose the rights to films, but whatever they created for the property remain theirs. Extras, package design, even new masters they funded stay with them even if they can't release it. Echo Bridge probably found a foreign distributor who had an old full frame video master and used it. I doubt they are going to spend the money to do a whole new transfer of a film they are selling for 5 bucks, actually who knows how much for wholesale, maybe 3 dollars.
It's sad how Miramax allowed such a great collection of films go to a chopshop like Echo Bridge when companies that would have put a lot more effort into their releases (such as Shout) would have treated these movies right (and I wouldn't mind spending the extra $7/8 a title).
At this point I wished these were Burn on Demand DVDRs...
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Exactly. Echo Bridge isn't going to spend a lot of money on these releases because there won't be any revenue to gain from it. They are soley releasing these films for some quick cash and maybe to break into mainstream distributing.
It's sad how Miramax allowed such a great collection of films go to a chopshop like Echo Bridge when companies that would have put a lot more effort into their releases (such as Shout) would have treated these movies right (and I wouldn't mind spending the extra $7/8 a title).
At this point I wished these were Burn on Demand DVDRs...
It's sad how Miramax allowed such a great collection of films go to a chopshop like Echo Bridge when companies that would have put a lot more effort into their releases (such as Shout) would have treated these movies right (and I wouldn't mind spending the extra $7/8 a title).
At this point I wished these were Burn on Demand DVDRs...
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It's sad how Miramax allowed such a great collection of films go to a chopshop like Echo Bridge when companies that would have put a lot more effort into their releases (such as Shout) would have treated these movies right (and I wouldn't mind spending the extra $7/8 a title).
At this point I wished these were Burn on Demand DVDRs...
At this point I wished these were Burn on Demand DVDRs...
#120
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I also love how googling "Echo Bridge Miramax" brings up nothing but all of the forum and blog posts tearing Echo Bridge a new asshole.
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I finally saw some of these in the wild tonight, and they almost look like bootlegs. I've decided to make an effort to pick up all the Miramax titles I'm most interested in (Trainspotting topping that list) in their Buena Vista incarnations before there's no other option but to pick up these inferior versions.
From what I gather the "classier" Miramax stuff went to Lionsgate, while a lot of the horror/sleaze/b-movies went to Echo Bridge
#122
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Though it seems weird that LG didn't get From Dusk Till Dawn, as that would seem to be one of the A-listers considering it's Rodriguez and Tarantino.
At any rate, it's really sad to see this happen to the Miramax catalog. A lot of the arthouse titles are Criterion-worthy, and even the horror line has a lot of fans and deserves better than "4 movies on ONE disc!"
Anyone have a definitive list of who got what?
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Has anyone found a set with Mothers Boys on it yet? I'm anxious to see if it's anamorphic widescreen since the last DVD was nonanamorphic.
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Yeah, LG got the A-list titles like Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, The Crow (first film), the Scream series, etc., and Echo Bridge seemed to get everything LG didn't want, like the arthouse movies and the bulk of the horror line.
Though it seems weird that LG didn't get From Dusk Till Dawn, as that would seem to be one of the A-listers considering it's Rodriguez and Tarantino.
At any rate, it's really sad to see this happen to the Miramax catalog. A lot of the arthouse titles are Criterion-worthy, and even the horror line has a lot of fans and deserves better than "4 movies on ONE disc!"
Anyone have a definitive list of who got what?
Though it seems weird that LG didn't get From Dusk Till Dawn, as that would seem to be one of the A-listers considering it's Rodriguez and Tarantino.
At any rate, it's really sad to see this happen to the Miramax catalog. A lot of the arthouse titles are Criterion-worthy, and even the horror line has a lot of fans and deserves better than "4 movies on ONE disc!"
Anyone have a definitive list of who got what?
#125
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The one title EchoBridge got that really grinds my gears is Jarmusch's DEAD MAN. It could have really used a nice Blu-Ray; I saw a 35mm print of it a few years back and it's a lovely looking movie on the big screen.



