Plan 9 had one thing behind it, heart. Ed tried to make good things but lacked certain things like resources and planning but he did what he could with what he had.

That's the one thing that all these newer horror movies lack when they try to make an intentionally bad film. You can't just intentionally make a bad film that you plan on will becoming a cult classic. They just aren't trying. They're crap that you'd make with friends in high school, only now it's easy enough to get them distributed.

Adam Sandler is hardly my favourite actor. I just happen to like two of his movies.

Fascinating ? Alright. If you say so. I just don't see it. I understand the movie but it's just not exciting. It takes way too long to really get going and when I watched it, it just felt like they were trying way too hard to be like other, better gangster movies. I like everyone in it, but when you put them together, it just didn't work for me.

I know what films could be classified as guilty pleasures.

13 Going on 30.
Charlies Angels Films
Catwoman - Think I am one of five people that own that film.

I have several animated films however I feel fine with everything I own.

Regarding bad movies, I like several films that are entertaining yet poorly plotted, acted etc... I like being entertained. While a movie like Lost In Translation is not poorly, acted or filmed it was just boring to me, it was hard watch because nothing happened. Overall I watch movies or own movies that are not like real life, I want an adventure, action (not completely mindless) thriller etc... Then I like a film like "The Others" which is not a fast film by any means. I rarely like films were the too many people die or the main character does, it can ruin a story for me based on the type of stories I enjoy.

I do wish some of these action adventure films would get a bit more correct, the break the rules of how the world works or common sense far too often. I just pick it apart and enjoy.

I would argue that quite a lot did happen; it was just subtle. I personally loved the movie; I was able to just completely lose myself in Coppola's Tokyo. Then, I first saw it at home on a rainy, lazy afternoon. It perfectly suited the vibe of the day.

Hell Comes to Frogtown

I did pick it up at a pawn shop for $1.50 so I could try to watch it in one sitting again, to see if my view on it has changed, at the moment I stand on not bad just boring.

No Country For Old Men, I found this movie to be horrible, nothing good happens at all.

A film like Transformers 2 is poorly made, tosses logic and sense out the window yet can be entertaining, I wish they would not toss logic out the window.

Then it wouldn't be Transformers 2 anymore. It would be the kid and his parents the entire film because there would be no robots.

I still believe you can have some type of logic without a fictional world, I love movies about abilities, magic, etc... take a character like Superman, okay, he has these powers, fine, now everything should make some type of sense within the science of our reality unless it somehow no longer applies. I still think you can have a Transformers movie without being completely foolish.

Movies like The Day After Tomorrow only work if you toss all science out the window, which I guess you could do if you just pretend that this is Earth just different.

Superman Returns did a bit better with the idea of objects being heavy and just because you are strong does not mean you can hold it up without it falling apart, well, aside from the ending, they kind of got his speed wrong though, he is faster then that, basically everything can look like it is not moving to him if he wants, then again the first Superman movie had him too slow to grab a missile and then five minutes later fast enough to go around the world dozens of times a second. Note that I enjoy these films.

I like some pretty snooty stuff. By way of example, I own all of Godfrey Reggio's Qatsi trilogy, plus Baraka and Manufactured Landscapes.

But for some reason my high-falutin' taste goes out the window when it comes to nostalgia. I've probably seen Beverly Hills Cop thirty times, just because it was one of the first R-rated movies I ever saw.

Also, for some reason, I hold kung fu and martial arts movies to a different (much lower) standard. I can overlook all sorts of bad plot, editing, acting and production mistakes if there's a nunchaku fight.

I guess I would have to classify my 2 Final Fantasy movies and Immortal as guilty pleasures, my wife is not a big fan of animated movies so I have to watch them when she is away. Since I really don't want her to be away, I don't get to watch them very often. -kd5-

Here's some more guilty pleasures of mind. While I recognize they aren't the best movies around, I always enjoy watching them.

Daddy Day Care, Held Up, and Life.

I also love Tommy Boy. I have fond memories watching it as a kid and still enjoy it to this day (and for more than nostalgia). I find it genuinely funny and don't feel guilty for admitting it, but it would probably classify as what you'd call a "Guilty Pleasure."

That's absolutely not what you've been trying to get across this whole time. From the start you said that a movie is bad or an actress is bad and that's that. You weren't calling it your opinion, you weren't explaining why you found it to be a bad movie, you just said that it was a fact it was bad or boring or pretentious, as though everyone else should agree with that. You've done an awful lot of backtracking since your first posts.

Case in point:

See what you did there? You stated it was a fact that the moving was boring. That is not a fact, that is your opinion. You know how I know it's your opinion? Because I disagree with it. I found the movie to be gripping and suspenseful, full of dread and intensity from the first scene. It was far from boring for me, but that doesn't mean you can't have found it boring. We're allowed to disagree, but your opinions don't rise to the level of being fact.

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And for what it's worth, just because a movie is popular doesn't mean it is a bad movie. Just because you don't like the audience of a particular movie, doesn't mean it's a bad movie. Of the movies you listed, I've actually liked quite a few.

No Country For Old Men is an expertly crafted movie (on a technical level) coupled with what I felt was a great story with great characters and some damn fine acting. Just because it was critically acclaimed shouldn't take away from its artistic merit. Scott Pilgrim vs. The World wasn't without its flaws, but it was a fun movie that captured the feel of the comics. While I enjoyed the comics more than the movie and felt some of the changes made in the movie were for the worse, I still really liked it a lot. Just because there were a lot of "hipsters" that also liked it doesn't make it a bad movie or mean I enjoyed it for the same reason they did.

You really should learn to separate the audience from the art; you don't have to like the movie, but disliking it because lots of people like it, for whatever reason, is a little ridiculous.

Are you talking about the Eddie Murphy movie? I like that one a lot, but don't really consider it a guilty pleasure.

Oh yeah, and Con Air! Man I love that movie. I remember a time about 6 years back when it was on TV all the time and I'd watch it several times each week, lol.

Yeah, that's the one. It's not the best movie around, but I really like it a lot.

You really need to look up the difference between "opinion" and "fact". The reason that I, and I am sure several other members, think you dont know what you are talking about is because you somehow think your opinion is fact. You try to speak for other groups. Even in this post I quoted, you somehow think your opinion is more valid than my opinion. Which it isnt. Just because you believe something, doesnt make it fact. Like the bolded part. You cant seem to understand how someone may have a different opinion from you. And if they do, then they are wrong. People that are that close minded arent worth even trying to talk sense into. Hence the reason that you should be ignored.

Ah, Con Air is a big-time guilty pleasure in all its Michael Bay-cheesiness.

Another guilty pleasure, as someone recently reminded me, is Celtic Woman. It's practically the same movie as Con Air, really.

Dude, Steve Zahn made Daddy Day Care for me. When he broke out with Klingonese, I was stunned! The geek factor is really high with that movie, and that's what kept it from being just another generic, formulaic family movie to me. Not sure if I consider it a "guilty pleasure," though. It's borderline; I can confidently admit to liking it, but then I feel compelled to qualify that by pointing out how it appealed to my inner geek.

Also, I hated Tommy Boy when it came out, and I hate it now. Farley was amusing in small spurts on SNL for me, but became very tiresome in larger roles. I haven't seen Held Up, and I haven't seen all of Life but from the portions that I have seen I'm not sure I understand why it would be a guilty pleasure; it seemed pretty good to me.

I never once said that people were wrong if they had a different opinion than me. Not once. I am NOT close minded. I will give every movie at least one chance. I judge a movie on it's merits, not merely because of flashy effects. If I find a movie boring, I'll say so.

Somehow I think you pay about as much attention to most movies as you do to all the honest criticism leveled at you here. No wonder you found THE GODFATHER "boring." It was three hours spent sticking your fingers in your ears.

What is that supposed to mean ? I love movies and pay very great attention to each and every movie I watch. The Godfather was pretty much just people talking. How exciting can that possibly be ? I never said that people who liked these kinds of movies were stupid or anything else. What honest criticism ? I've been nothing but attacked by some people on here because they don't agree with me. I have never ONCE attacked anyone. There's no excuse for attacking me. I haven't done anything except express how I feel. I personally attacked no one.

Let's just leave it at "there are things you like and I don't, and there are things I like that you probably don't like."

I guess you missed the dozen or so on-screen murders.

There are these radical film concepts: dialogue, plot, acting.
Some people find them rather interesting

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But not all opinions are equal. Indeed, some opinions are ignorant.

I find dialogue, plot, and acting interesting. Just not the Godfather. How dare you say some opinions are ignorant ? How DARE you ? You're just another person that I've come across that doesn't know what the word means. Opinions are just that, opinions. And you have no right to say anything to the contrary. How is not liking the Godfather ignorant ? Oh, that's right. It's not. It just means that I don't like the movie. I saw the murders in the movie. So what ? I didn't care whatsoever about the characters, so what if they died ? Just leave me alone. I'm allowed to think what I want and express those views, and you have no right to question me whatsoever, wether you agree or not. Don't attack me for not liking a movie you like.

I find it kind of funny that everyone is ragging on this guy for the whole opinion/fact thing he's been talking about, yet when his opinion is that he doesn't like the Godfather, everyone gets pissed and tries to show him he's wrong.

The Godfather bored me when I watched it the first time, and I've never watched it since. So it just isn't everyone's cup of tea, or whatever that saying is.

Thank you. I've never made fun of anyone because they liked Godfather. I just said that I thought it was boring. Thank you for understanding.