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kstublen 08-05-10 08:55 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
As far as the checklist is concerned, I've been doing two episodes of a show to complete an entry that doesn't specify a time requirement (because I'm usually watching at least two in one sitting), but for the stuff where it says watch something by a particular animator or from a particular decade, if I just watch one short is that enough to satisfy the requirement to check it off on my list?

Trevor 08-05-10 09:28 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by kstublen (Post 10306865)
As far as the checklist is concerned, I've been doing two episodes of a show to complete an entry that doesn't specify a time requirement (because I'm usually watching at least two in one sitting), but for the stuff where it says watch something by a particular animator or from a particular decade, if I just watch one short is that enough to satisfy the requirement to check it off on my list?

I'm pretty sure that MP said everything has to be film length (or show combination of 120 minutes) unless it specifically says "length doesn't matter".

I have a question about MST3K. I like to watch at least 3 of them per month, and would like to find some that would qualify for this challenge. I know that they haven't riffed any pure animation films, but many of their sci-fi films have a fair amount of effect work, or monster suits, and/or model work. Plus, you have the fact the whole show framework could sort of qualify I guess. Any suggestions or rulings?

takingchase 08-05-10 09:33 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
Would the remake of clash of the titans qualify? A good ammount of it is cgi, I watched it on the 1st of the month but I wasn't sure if I should add it or not.

exharrison 08-05-10 09:40 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 10306558)
We've been talking a lot about Greg the Bunny. Then there's Alf of course.

Film wise there is Magic.

What about Labyrinth or Dark Crystal?



Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 10306902)
I'm pretty sure that MP said everything has to be film length (or show combination of 120 minutes) unless it specifically says "length doesn't matter".

I have a question about MST3K. I like to watch at least 3 of them per month, and would like to find some that would qualify for this challenge. I know that they haven't riffed any pure animation films, but many of their sci-fi films have a fair amount of effect work, or monster suits, and/or model work. Plus, you have the fact the whole show framework could sort of qualify I guess. Any suggestions or rulings?

Personally, I have no problem with counting if others agree. I mean the show revolves around the puppets and the main character. And it should be the length of a movie.

Trevor 08-05-10 09:51 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by takingchase (Post 10306910)
Would the remake of clash of the titans qualify? A good ammount of it is cgi, I watched it on the 1st of the month but I wasn't sure if I should add it or not.

I'd say definitely.

Originally Posted by exharrison (Post 10306926)
What about Labyrinth or Dark Crystal?

Oh yeah, good puppet movie choices! I'm sure there are many many more.

Originally Posted by exharrison (Post 10306926)
Personally, I have no problem with counting if others agree. I mean the show revolves around the puppets and the main character. And it should be the length of a movie.

Thanks! I figure I'll pick sci-fi films with effect work (like Laserblast or Godzilla films), and the combination of that and the show framework should be close enough.

kstublen 08-05-10 10:06 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
There's also Farscape that would satisfy the puppet requirement.

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For the "made by" part of the checklist, what is the actual requirement? Animator, Writer, Director, or Producer? So for a movie like "Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm," which was written by Paul Dini along with several other people, would it satisfy his entry?

Ash Ketchum 08-06-10 05:25 AM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by kstublen (Post 10306973)
There's also Farscape that would satisfy the puppet requirement.

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For the "made by" part of the checklist, what is the actual requirement? Animator, Writer, Director, or Producer? So for a movie like "Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm," which was written by Paul Dini along with several other people, would it satisfy his entry?

"Batman: Mask of the Phantasm" better qualify because that's the only Paul Dini credit I have in my collection.

Ash Ketchum 08-06-10 05:31 AM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by kstublen (Post 10306865)
As far as the checklist is concerned, I've been doing two episodes of a show to complete an entry that doesn't specify a time requirement (because I'm usually watching at least two in one sitting), but for the stuff where it says watch something by a particular animator or from a particular decade, if I just watch one short is that enough to satisfy the requirement to check it off on my list?

If I watch one Tex Avery short and one Disney short from the 1920s, I'm checking off "Tex Avery" and the "1920s" on my checklist. I can't imagine Mr. Peepers meant you had to watch 12-15 Avery shorts or the same number of Disney "Alice" shorts to qualify. We'd be here forever!

Ash Ketchum 08-06-10 05:32 AM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10306525)
Puppet shows? That's the one category I'm having trouble with. All I can think of are Muppets stuff and all those old adventure/sci-fi marionette shows like "Captain Scarlett" and "Thunderbirds." I doubt that I have any of this stuff in my collection, not even a Muppets movie or even an old "Beany and Cecil" episode.

What else qualifies in this category that I'm not thinking of?

Thanks.

Never mind. I found a used DVD of THE MUPPETS TAKE MANHATTAN at Book Off last night.

Trevor 08-06-10 09:51 AM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10307369)
If I watch one Tex Avery short and one Disney short from the 1920s, I'm checking off "Tex Avery" and the "1920s" on my checklist. I can't imagine Mr. Peepers meant you had to watch 12-15 Avery shorts or the same number of Disney "Alice" shorts to qualify. We'd be here forever!

Good catch Ash! I'm sure MP meant to put "length doesn't matter" on those early decades, or all of them. Full length features barely exist for some of them in any genre, let alone animation.

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10305972)
I'm sorry, but it's not clear to me, which is why I feel compelled to bring it up again. When three WB cartoons = 21 min. and 4 cartoons = 28 min., there needs to be a decision made as to how many count towards an item. "23 min." doesn't work here. Are three WB cartoons 1/4 of an entry or are four WB cartoons 1/4 of an entry? That's not an unreasonable question to ask. And no decision seems to have been made. Everyone seems to be making their own rule here. This isn't rocket science, it's simple math. Why can't we have a set rule over how many short cartoons = one entry? I'm not asking too much here.

Granted, I seem to be the only one bothered by this, so I'll just have to make my own rule for this as well. :hairpull:

Just to answer you specifically here. Yes, it is simple math, but it's also very well answered. Three 7 minute cartoons do not equal a 1/4 entry. You have multiple options. Watch four of them for a 1/4 entry; add a 2+ minute short to the three to get up to a 1/4 entry; or watch enough 7 minute shorts to get up to a 1/2 or full entry. There is a set rule, a decison has been made.

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10307370)
Never mind. I found a used DVD of THE MUPPETS TAKE MANHATTAN at Book Off last night.

Just to make sure you know, but every item on the checklist can be found in free legal online forms too, no need to buy DVDs just for the checklist.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 08-06-10 10:05 AM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 10306902)
I'm pretty sure that MP said everything has to be film length (or show combination of 120 minutes) unless it specifically says "length doesn't matter".

I have a question about MST3K. I like to watch at least 3 of them per month, and would like to find some that would qualify for this challenge. I know that they haven't riffed any pure animation films, but many of their sci-fi films have a fair amount of effect work, or monster suits, and/or model work. Plus, you have the fact the whole show framework could sort of qualify I guess. Any suggestions or rulings?

Started to lean towards making it be a full length to make something count but then changed it to one thing, which could be a short. There was at least one of the checklist items that made it seem impractical to force something full length. Off the top of my head, I was thinking it was the early decades since I think it'd be nearly impossible to find 90 minutes worth of animation from the 1900s.

As long as the film would count, with or without MST3K, you're fine.


Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10307369)
If I watch one Tex Avery short and one Disney short from the 1920s, I'm checking off "Tex Avery" and the "1920s" on my checklist. I can't imagine Mr. Peepers meant you had to watch 12-15 Avery shorts or the same number of Disney "Alice" shorts to qualify. We'd be here forever!

The only shorts checklist item with a time requirement is the theatrical one, which is something like 90 minutes of Tom & Jerry and other similar things. You can mix and match, they don't all have to be from the same series.


Originally Posted by kstublen (Post 10306973)
For the "made by" part of the checklist, what is the actual requirement? Animator, Writer, Director, or Producer? So for a movie like "Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm," which was written by Paul Dini along with several other people, would it satisfy his entry?

That works.

Before anyone asks, in the checklist for the most and least favorite genre, take that to mean another genre, in addition to the Animation genre of the thing you're watching. If you have an animated musical and hate musicals, that would count for least favorite.

If you don't have another genre that you hate in your collection, just go with the least liked.

Ash Ketchum 08-07-10 07:12 AM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 10307727)
Just to make sure you know, but every item on the checklist can be found in free legal online forms too, no need to buy DVDs just for the checklist.

Don't worry, that's the only item I bought for this challenge (it was $7) and my daughter is eager to borrow it when I'm done, so it's for a good cause. Everything else I need is already in my tape/DVD collection.

Numes 08-07-10 11:18 AM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
I started watched Popeye the Sailor: Vol. 1 (1933-1938) last night and boy oh boy does this bring back a ton of memories. I used to wake up early before school and watch Popeye every day. I think it was on USA.

It's so cool that there are commentaries (by a wide range of different people) on most of these shorts. It's been a lot of fun so far and I've only watched four of them. It will be great to see some of the shorts that, I gather, were not shown on television for one reason or another and I probably have never seen.

Does anyone know if there are more volumes being released? I'm not sure how many original shorts there were and if the 3 volumes released are all of them or not.

kstublen 08-07-10 01:31 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
I know that under 90+ minutes of shorts it says "Tex Avery, Looney Tunes," but I'm guessing we can watch any short? I don't have any of the prolific animated shorts on DVD yet and don't really feel like watching 90+ minutes on my computer screen, so I just watched all of the Pixar Shorts and the new Jonah Hex Short, which totals over 90 minutes.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 08-07-10 01:55 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
Correct

Ash Ketchum 08-07-10 01:56 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
Two questions:

1) If you watch a cartoon over a second time to listen to the audio commentary, can you count it twice?

2) If a particular cartoon appears on two separate compilations and you watch it both times, can you count it in the running time for both compilations or only one?

Trevor 08-07-10 02:48 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Numes (Post 10309469)
I started watched Popeye the Sailor: Vol. 1 (1933-1938) last night and boy oh boy does this bring back a ton of memories. I used to wake up early before school and watch Popeye every day. I think it was on USA.

It's so cool that there are commentaries (by a wide range of different people) on most of these shorts. It's been a lot of fun so far and I've only watched four of them. It will be great to see some of the shorts that, I gather, were not shown on television for one reason or another and I probably have never seen.

Does anyone know if there are more volumes being released? I'm not sure how many original shorts there were and if the 3 volumes released are all of them or not.

I wasn't a Popeye fan as a kid, but imagine I'd appreciate them more now. I have those first three collections, and should pop at least one of them in for this Challenge. I might even have to count it on my checklist as the item loathed, unless I can find some Mighty Mouse to watch.

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10309650)
Two questions:

1) If you watch a cartoon over a second time to listen to the audio commentary, can you count it twice?

2) If a particular cartoon appears on two separate compilations and you watch it both times, can you count it in the running time for both compilations or only one?

Yes to the first. In fact, if it had 5 different commentaries and you watched each one and once "plain", you could count it 6 times!

No to the second, only once if it's the same cartoon.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 08-07-10 04:57 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 10309706)
I wasn't a Popeye fan as a kid, but imagine I'd appreciate them more now. I have those first three collections, and should pop at least one of them in for this Challenge. I might even have to count it on my checklist as the item loathed, unless I can find some Mighty Mouse to watch.

I can easily count Olive Oil as a hated character.

The two episodes of Popeye I liked the best were the Ali Baba one, that was on the first volume and another one that also had live action stuff where a kid was getting picked on and then ate a can of spinach at the end.

Travis McClain 08-07-10 05:03 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 10309847)
I can easily count Olive Oil as a hated character.

Really? Can you elaborate on your hatred for her? I confess; I'm completely fascinated to hear of this!

kstublen 08-07-10 05:21 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
Can someone give me some examples of what they might watch for an "Unrated" cartoon.

Trevor 08-07-10 05:37 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10309853)
Really? Can you elaborate on your hatred for her? I confess; I'm completely fascinated to hear of this!

I always hated her too. So whiny and indecisive.

Originally Posted by kstublen (Post 10309885)
Can someone give me some examples of what they might watch for an "Unrated" cartoon.

Most cartoons probably qualify. Anything before the MPAA of course, which was when, the 1960s? Any cartoon or film made for TV wouldn't be rated.

kstublen 08-07-10 05:40 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 10309907)
I always hated her too. So whiny and indecisive.

Most cartoons probably qualify. Anything before the MPAA of course, which was when, the 1960s? Any cartoon or film made for TV wouldn't be rated.

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if the requirement was more anything that isn't rated or something that was rated, but released on DVD unrated.

And for the record, Olive always annoyed me too.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 08-07-10 06:10 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10309853)
Really? Can you elaborate on your hatred for her? I confess; I'm completely fascinated to hear of this!

What Trevor said plus the fact that there was absolutely no reason to fight over her. I never saw what made them so crazy for her.

Travis McClain 08-07-10 06:32 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 10309907)
I always hated her too. So whiny and indecisive.

Most cartoons probably qualify. Anything before the MPAA of course, which was when, the 1960s? Any cartoon or film made for TV wouldn't be rated.


Originally Posted by kstublen (Post 10309913)
And for the record, Olive always annoyed me too.


Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 10309949)
What Trevor said plus the fact that there was absolutely no reason to fight over her. I never saw what made them so crazy for her.

I never really understood why any two people fight "for" a third person. My thing has always been, either you want to be with me or you don't. If so, great; if not, there's the door. And I never understood why Popeye would go into a fight without spinach. But then, I've never been huge on the Popeye world anyway.

Travis McClain 08-07-10 06:35 PM

Re: August Animation Challenge 2010 - Discussion Thread
 
I'm later getting started than I'd hoped, and this thread is kind of dense by now. I'm starting with G.I. Joe: The M.A.S.S. Device, which cuts together the first five episode mini-series as a singular, 100 minute long story. How do I count this?


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