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Old 08-11-09, 05:38 AM
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B-Movie/Exploitation/Drive-In Movie Challenge (April 2010)

Hi. I was just checking on the interest in a B-Movie/Exploitation/Drive-in movie Challenge. This might be one of the most challenging challenges to date. What we are celebrating here is trash cinema. The dreck and dross of films. Flotsam and just plain shit.

date would be April 1-30, 2010, with possible extension through May 1.

This might have the widest net in terms of genre, but it might be deceiving. I'm thinking bad movies, but they can't be too popular. It's easy to say something like Star Wars Ep 1:The Phantom Menace is bad, but it is far too well known and popular to be included. Basically, if it has better than a 5.0 rating or more than 5000 votes on IMDB or made $100M, then it's probably not what we are looking for. Also, we want no movie that has been nominated for Oscars in major categories, such as acting or directing, with a few exceptions to be indicated.

Here's the general idea of genre:

I had originally thought of including classic B-movies of the 30s through 50s, but since that could be accomplished by parking the TV on Turner Classic Movies all day, it kind of misses the point. I would think perhaps Poverty Row studio films, like Republic, Monogram, and PRC/Eagle-Lion. So this would include Charlie Chan movies, Mr Moto, Nearly anything with Bela Lugosi that isn't Universal or MGM (that is, big studio). Most of the Tarzan movies, perhaps. Tarzan ripoffs, definitely. If you can think of others, then suggest away.

What I'm really thinking is Exploitation and Drive-In movies. This would include the 30s and 40s cautionary stories about the alleged dangers of premarital sex and drug use. Examples include Marihuana, Mom and Dad, Reefer Madness, Sex Madness, Child Bride and She Shoulda Said No!. Most of the films on those 50 movie collections of cult and trash public domain films should fit.

I would like to work in any movie from the 50s (pre-1965 - Let's face it, the "60s" didn't start until after the Rolling Stones became popular.) and earlier that deals with race relations. Stuff like "Imitation of life", "I Passed for White", "Pinky". Some of these won Oscars, so this will be an exception to the Oscar rule. It's just so rare that films of that era even acknowledged racial issues that when they did they are so earnest or naive that they are fun to watch.

Then there's the straightout Exploitation films. We're talking Biker Films, Blaxploitation, Cannibal films, Carsploitation (like Vanishing Point, Cannonball, Death Race 2000, Dirty Mary Crazy Larry, Gone in 60 Seconds, Mad Max, Race with the Devil and Two-Lane Blacktop), Giallo films, Mondo films, Eco-Terror films (such as Alligator, Cujo, Day of the Animals, The Deep, Frogs, Great White, Grizzly, Monster Shark, Night of the Lepus, Orca, The Pack, Piranha, Prophecy, Razorback, Tentacles and Tintorera. JAWS is too popular and does not count), Nazisploitation (Love Camp 7, Ilsa series, SALO 120 Days of Sodom), Rape / Revenge films (I Spit on Your Grave, MS 45, Thriller, Last House on the Left), Sexploitation (Russ Meyer type films, Nudie Cuties, Emmanuelle series, Showgirls, Caligula), Shocksploitation (Baise-moi, Blood Sucking Freaks, Combat Shock, I Drink Your Blood, Fight for Your Life, Nekromantik, Pink Flamingos, SICK: The Life & Death of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist, Snuff, Vase de Noces (Wedding Trough/One Man and his Pig/The Pig Fucking Movie), Spaghetti Westerns, Torture Porn (SAW, Hostel, Captivity, The Devil's Rejects, Martyrs, Scar, Turistas, and Wolf Creek.) Women in Prison films, Martial Arts films (we need some limitation, though. We don't want Crouching Tiger, we want Streetfighter and Shaw Brothers type films.)

There's also some minor Exploitation categories (thanks, Wikipedia) like Eschploitation (Christian "End times" films, like Left Behind, but I would even count stuff like "The Burning Hell" that they used to show in churches. As long as it is at least 40 minutes and is exploitative.), Hixploitation (This Stuff'll Kill You, Eaten Alive, Hillbillies in a Haunted House, Moonshine Mountain, Poor White Trash 2 and Two Thousand Maniacs!), Nunsploitation (The Devils, Killer Nun, School of the Holy Beast and Sinful Nuns of Saint Valentines), Stoner Films (Drugs must be one of the primary themes and inspire much of the plot.), Vigilante films (Billy Jack, Charles Bronson films, Walking Tall).

Another genre I was thinking was bad sequels to good movies. The movies themselves might not be the right genre, but the shittiness makes up for it. Grease would not be safe but Grease 2 is. Rocky Horror Picture Show (may?) not be safe (too popular) but Shock Treatment is. Purple Rain is not safe but Graffiti Bridge is. Saturday Night Fever is not safe but Staying Alive is. The Fly is not but The Fly 2 is. You get the idea.

I can't really find any specific definitions of Drive-in cinema, other than it including basically what's above. Any suggestions of what else to include is welcome.

We're also going to have some helpful "safe" lists. These are directors and actors (and studios) that by their very presence, they make a film safe. We're talking the Russ Meyers, Roger Cormans, Jack Hills, Frank Henenlotters, Doris Wishmans, Doug McClures, Jean Claude Van Dammes and Hulk Hogan's of the world. It's ok if they have had cameos in "good movies" (like Bruce Campbell in the Spider-Man movies), but their filmographies must typify the types of films we are talking about. I have a huge list, but I'm hoping for suggestions here.

Now, this is not your father's movie challenge. We all have experience at the challenges so I want to make this one a bit more of a challenge. First of all, the genres included are typically bad movies. These are movies so bad they are good and so bad they are bad. Some of these movies are going to be torture. Luckily, by their very nature, they tend to be short and average 80 minutes or less. I want to encourage actually watching them, though. This means actually listening to the actual bad dialog, bad acting, bad direction, etc. Now, if there is a commentary, I can see not being able to resist hearing the filmmakers defend their work. So, I'm going to allow commentaries, but with a penalty. Commentaries will make it too easy to get through the worst films so the rule is you must watch the film once properly then you may watch it again with a commentary, but the penalty is the commentary viewing only counts as half a movie.

MST3K and Rifftrax. These are allowed, but since they will make it too easy to get through the films there is a quarter point penalty. I'm sorry, but anyone can watch Manos: Hands of Fate with Joel and the Bots. If you can watch it without the jokes, then you deserve a full point.

We also will have the Clint Eastwood/Bruce Lee rule. These are all trash genres, but occasionally there is a film that is so sublime and excellent that it transcends the genre. Take Biker Films for an example. Most of them are shitty, but then there is Easy Rider. Excellent film. We can't disallow it, since it definitely fits in the genre. It's also a Stoner film. However, since it is an acknowledged masterpiece then it falls under the Clint Eastwood/Bruce Lee rule. It gets a quarter point deduction. The rule gets its name from the fact that Spaghetti Westerns are allowed, but Clint Eastwood's are too good, so his films get a quarter point deduction. There are 1000s of Spaghetti Westerns. We want to encourage the trash, not the classics. Just to be arbitrary, Once Upon a Time in The West counts as a Clint Eastwood Western but all other Sergio Leone films are ok. Bruce Lee is an acknowledged master of the Martial Arts film. I'd rather encourage the Brucesploitation films with Bruce Li, Bruce Le, etc. Bruce Lee films get a quarter point deduction, but all others are safe. I can't see there being many of these types of exception films, but we can come up with a few more examples.

I want to encourage comments on the lists. Most of the films are by their very nature more obscure and it's going to be more fun to read what people think of shitty films than perhaps films we are familiar with. I'm thinking besides the usual quantity awards we can also give props to the lists that look like they were the most torturous to endure. We can give a prize randomly chosen from those that meet the 100 movie plateau and perhaps to those that have the lists that are the most torture. I'm thinking a DVD of personally selected trailers of genre films.

I'm open to suggestions and all these things listed are subject to alteration if better suggestions come along. I love the elegant simplicity of the other challenges, but I wanted to make this a more advanced challenge.

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Old 08-11-09, 07:05 AM
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Re: B-Movie/Exploitation/Drive-In Movie Challenge

I wanted to add that this isn't limited to the above genres. Cheesy is good. I'm thinking bad Direct-To-Video movies and even TV Movie Bio-pics. Theatrical biographies are too slick. TV biographies are all cheesy. Houdini with Tony Curtis= nope. Houdini with Paul Michael Glaser and Sally Struthers=YAY!
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Old 08-11-09, 09:09 AM
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Re: B-Movie/Exploitation/Drive-In Movie Challenge

I'd do this one.

Here's a general rule I found at another site I go to for a similar project, which is almost identical to what you came up with

Anything with more than 5000 votes at IMDB is probably unsafe and if it has more than 1000 votes or a higher than 5.0 rating, ask in the forums
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If I watched 'Manhunt in Space' withOUT the MST3K treatment, I think I might jumped in front of a moving bus.

I've got a ton of titles I have to watch including alot of the Emanuelle titles, but as RobCA expressed, there's a breaking point for me, where I'd need to watch something else. But I also have to disagree with his generalization that these types of movies are all 'bad'.

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Old 08-11-09, 10:38 AM
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Sounds great, but I imagine some of those torture porn titles you listed have more than 5,000 votes.

I never need an excuse to watch a bad movie, but thank goodness Rifftrax and MST3K can be used even if at a reduced point rate, otherwise I don't know that I could ever get through The Room again.
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Re: B-Movie/Exploitation/Drive-In Movie Challenge

Don't most of those fall under the Horror challenge as well? Isn't that kind of redundant?
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^ some scifi crosses over into Horror as well, it's all relative.
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*Expresses interest*
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I would love to do this, as I love Exploitation films. Problem is I know work will bog down how much I can watch
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I don't have enough movies that would work. I would think the next logical challenge would probably be comedy as it's the biggest genre not to have one (Sci-Fi, Horror, Holiday and Drama (the Oscar challenge is dominated by dramas) all have one). I'm too lazy to start one though.

If this does go through then I wish you all the best.
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I don't see a need to space Challenges. It's not like everyone (anyone?) is going to participate in each one. And very few people "go overboard" in them, and would be bothered by burnout. And even if they do, they're likely the type of person that watches DVDs almost every day anyway.

Besides, it looks like we may soon have more challenges than months.
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This is the genre I collect, and would use this challenge to catch up on a backlog.

The only problem is, if you're going to do drive in, it doesn't make sense to restrict it to ultra obscure films. I mean, how many people have a copy of "Massacre of Pleasure" lying around?

So the Dr. Phibes films would make sense, as would Friday the 13th 1-8. Or are you specifically limiting the field to more obscure fare? Let's not forget Friday the 13th opened in Times Square, and AIP was a drive in staple, even though they scored hits with the Anette / Frankie Beach pictures, among others. This all qualifies, in my book.

Well, needless to say, I'm down. I have at least fifty Something Weird DVDs that I haven't watched yet, as well as scads of unreleased and OOP stuff, the Ilsa movies, shockumentaries, classic T&A and psychotronica. I could use an excuse to catch up on these discs, honestly. Heck, I haven't watched the Jodorowski boxed set, or either of the two Bava sets. My copy of 'The Black Six' is still in its shinkwrap.

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Basically, if it has better than a 5.0 rating or more than 5000 votes on IMDB or made $100M, then it's probably not what we are looking for.
All of your "Carsploitation" examples have better than 5.0 ratings on IMDb (Vanishing Point (7.2/10), Cannonball (5.2/10), Death Race 2000 (6.1/10), Dirty Mary Crazy Larry (6.4/10), Gone in 60 Seconds (6.3/10), Mad Max (6.9/10), Race with the Devil (6.4/10), Two-Lane Blacktop (7.3/10)). So, would they work for this challenge or not?
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Sounds fun.

Although, I'll personally be exercising moderation with this one. I love this stuff, but, with so many of them the trailers are far more entertaining than the actual films. Don't even get me started on how excruciatingly painful "Beyond the Door" was to get through.
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A Drive-In movie challenge without "Death Race 2000"? Say it ain't so!
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All of your "Carsploitation" examples have better than 5.0 ratings on IMDb (Vanishing Point (7.2/10), Cannonball (5.2/10), Death Race 2000 (6.1/10), Dirty Mary Crazy Larry (6.4/10), Gone in 60 Seconds (6.3/10), Mad Max (6.9/10), Race with the Devil (6.4/10), Two-Lane Blacktop (7.3/10)). So, would they work for this challenge or not?
Using his rule most of those would fit because they have under 5,000 votes. I'm not sure if that's a good rule to figure out what qualifies though. I'm not even sure there is a good way. Of course, I'd be in if someone can figure it out. Probably burn out halfway through the month though from watching so many awful movies.

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Yeah, deciding what counts is going to be tough. Personally, I have 50 to 100 films in various "drive-in" or "b-movie" collections. I'm just going to watch those, and not really care if they officially count towards my total. I won't be trying to win, but just watching stuff from my unwatched piles and enjoying the discussions and lists.

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Using his rule most of those would fit because they have under 5,000 votes. I'm not sure if that's a good rule to figure out what qualifies though. I'm not even sure there is a good way. Of course, I'd be in if someone can figure it out.
If that's the case, then Vanishing Point, Death Race 2000, and Mad Max would still be excluded. Death Race 2000 and Mad Max can be watched during the sci-fi challenge, so Vanishing Point is the only one that gets the shaft.

(Vanishing Point (7.2/10 - 7,779 votes), Cannonball (5.2/10 - 1,767 votes), Death Race 2000 (6.1/10 - 8,908 votes), Dirty Mary Crazy Larry (6.4/10 - 1,938 votes), Gone in 60 Seconds (6.3/10 - 2,575 votes), Mad Max (6.9/10 - 31,177 votes), Race with the Devil (6.4/10 - 1,584 votes), Two-Lane Blacktop (7.3/10 - 2,908 votes))

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Probably burn out halfway through the month though from watching so many awful movies.
That's why I want a clarification of the rules. I'm up for a "B-Movie/Exploitation/Drive-In Movie Challenge," but not so much for a month-long "Awful Movie Challenge." I enjoy a crappy Wishman, Milligan, or Findlay movie as much as the next guy, but I don't know that I could take a month of it.

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If that's the case, then Vanishing Point, Death Race 2000, and Mad Max would still be excluded. Death Race 2000 and Mad Max can be watched during the sci-fi challenge, so Vanishing Point is the only one that gets the shaft.

(Vanishing Point (7.2/10 - 7,779 votes), Cannonball (5.2/10 - 1,767 votes), Death Race 2000 (6.1/10 - 8,908 votes), Dirty Mary Crazy Larry (6.4/10 - 1,938 votes), Gone in 60 Seconds (6.3/10 - 2,575 votes), Mad Max (6.9/10 - 31,177 votes), Race with the Devil (6.4/10 - 1,584 votes), Two-Lane Blacktop (7.3/10 - 2,908 votes))
Exactly, which makes no sense. All three belong here in my mind. There's absolutely no reason Vanishing Point should be excluded if Dirty Mary Crazy Larry counts.

I've been thinking about how to determine what should count and I'm still at a loss. It's such a wide challenge and everyone has a different idea of what counts. There's some in the OP I wouldn't count, like most everything in the torture porn section.
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"Bad" is subjective and is meant as a term of endearment, here. Perhaps we can open up the B-movie a bit. The 5.0 rating or 5000 votes isn't an actual rule. It's just a guideline for what kind of movies we are showcasing. Also, the films listed as examples are technically just there to let you understand the genre. If I listed the obscure films in the genre then the description would have been useless. But I don't see why certain genres can't be taken in regardless of "quality". If it is too good, then perhaps it is eligible for the Clint Eastwood rule?

Anyway, here's where the suggestions can come in. Should it really be all "bad" movies or cult classics, like listed in the carsploitation? These aren't exclusive categories. Suggest some new categories or types of films. We have plenty of time and this is going to be the loosest challenge ever. I'd like the keep the No Oscar rule, with exceptions (can you think of any?). This should be one of the cheaper challenges to acquire movies. The $3.00 bin at Wal-Mart or those BCI Drive-In classics compilations. Mill Creek Entertainment has toooooons of 20 and 50 movie compilations on Amazon for cheap. I got this one for $6.99 last week (not sure why the price went back up) and this one for $11.50.

There is definite overlap with other challenges, but if you are careful you can avoid it. I would avoid Horror, perhaps. I've been wondering about including straightout bombs, like Pluto Nash, even though they might be Sci-Fi. Torture Porn is a questionable category, as it is too new. But they are barely Horror and are more exploitation, anyway.

For what it is worth, I can't see ever turning away any movie on any list. Whatever you think should be on it, should be on it. The absolute worst I can see is a quarter point penalty if the movie is "too good" (the Clint Eastwood rule). The "too good" list is open for suggestions. I'm thinking acknowledged stuff, like Easy Rider (biker movie) and Rebel Without A Cause (teensploitation). Stuff that ends up in the AFI top 100 lists, perhaps, that otherwise fit in the genre.

NOTHING is concrete. I'm even thinking, what is it GAME OF DEATH that only has 5 minutes of Bruce Lee footage and the rest is the back of a stand-in's head? That might be the first Brucesploitation film and therefore worth a full point. Anyway, this is only a first draft and it is NOT SET IN STONE. Good suggestions are welcome. Improvements are welcome. Changes are welcome. I know people are reluctant to difficulty factors, but there's nothing really difficult here.
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Oh, and Mister Peepers, you caught me. I would love to point to that site as a model and source (it was definitely an inspiration), but I figured it would be frowned upon. I would have even offered cigars, if I could have, to prospective members as an incentive.
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If this were to really happen it is not just about bad cinema. It's more about a type of cinema that is horribly unappreciated.

A cinema that was and is often bad.

All joking aside, many of these movies are a lot of fun, and many of them have grown to be respectable over the years, deserved or not. It sounds like fun to me.


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although this intrigues me and even though i have a bunch of bad, cult, exploitation, drive-in, b-movie, sexploitation, cannibal, misty mundae, etc titles, i can imagine this really tough to do a whole month of. that said, ill try
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If this were to really happen it is not just about bad cinema. It's more about a type of cinema that is horribly unappreciated.

A cinema that was and is often bad.

All joking aside, many of these movies are a lot of fun, and many of them have grown to be respectable over the years, deserved or not. It sounds like fun to me.


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Exactly. I almost called it the B-Movie/Exploitation/Drive-In/Underappreciated Movie Challenge.

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although this intrigues me and even though i have a bunch of bad, cult, exploitation, drive-in, b-movie, sexploitation, cannibal, misty mundae, etc titles, i can imagine this really tough to do a whole month of. that said, ill try
Herein lies the challenge. I bought all the BCI Drive-In movie sets and I was looking at them and trying to think of when I would EVER be in the mood to watch a shitty film from them. But a challenge with a goal, that makes it fun. Especially if we can comment on how bad they were, how much torture they were, or even how much fun they were because they weren't actually as bad as they looked upon first look. I've been taping and watching a bunch of Blaxploitation titles on Retroplex and been enjoying the hell out of them. Blaxploitation is one of the greatest genres EVER. They knew their audience better than most genres so they put in plenty of violence, sex, fashion, good/bad dialog ("Can you dig it?) without pages of blather. The heroes are cool, the chicks are hot, the villains are evil. What's not to love?
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Are you dead set on keeping the goal at 100?

Maybe lowering the goal will encourage more participation and discussion, and fewer suicides.
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