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jdpatri 08-06-09 10:16 AM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 9621843)
What do you all think of the checklist idea?

To add some spice/variety to the month, all of the challenges here have adopted an optional checklist. Here is an example:

Watch a film from the 1930s -
Watch a film from the 1940s -
Watch a film from the 1950s -
etc
etc
Something from Spine #1-25 -
Something from Spine #26-50 -
etc
etc
Watch a disc in it's entirety -
watch a drama -
comedy -
horror -
etc
etc

These checklists are competely optional, but add more variety and a competitive option to the Challenge for those so inclined. Whoever completes the checklist first wins "Bingo".

And if you all really want to keep a competitive, counting, aspect to things, we could make each item on the checklist worth one point, with perhaps 30 items on the list, so a max score for the month would be 60.

I love this idea as well. It would definitely help me narrow down my selection and watch some of my Criterions I just haven't gotten around to. Now when do we start??

Tim Tucker 08-06-09 10:25 AM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
I have a thought. Maybe the model we need is not a monthly challenge, but more like a book club. Each week we have a discussion on a randomly chosen title from Criterion/Eclipse.

There is a Doctor Who forum I'm a member of that discusses one story from the series weekly, and that seems to work out quite well.

Trevor 08-06-09 10:25 AM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
Simple is good, I agree.

The checklist is completely optional, and mainly for the people that like complexity or watching massive amounts, and/or more of a "challenge".

Same with the group discussion choices if we do that, just a completely optional subset to allow people to get the rest of us to watch their favorites with them.

jdpatri 08-06-09 10:29 AM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 9626105)
Simple is good, I agree.

The checklist is completely optional, and mainly for the people that like complexity or watching massive amounts, and/or more of a "challenge".

Same with the group discussion choices if we do that, just a completely optional subset to allow people to get the rest of us to watch their favorites with them.

There could be the checklist challenge with its own thread... and then maybe a weekly discussion where someone picks a favorite Criterion (or one they just haven't seen). Everyone then watches and subsequently discusses in a new forum thread. Program lists should be posted ahead of time so everyone has a chance to obtain the chosen movie beforehand. Like book club. People would have to sign up for the discussion so they could get an assigned selection slot.

jjcool 08-06-09 02:21 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 9624272)
Also, speaking of user input, how about this idea similar to the 31 films in 31 days we did for the Horror Challenge. Each of you that commits to participating, and has a film that you would love to "watch with the group" and hear our thoughts on, can choose a film and it will be assigned a specific day of the month. Completely optional of course, with maybe a bonus point for people who watch all 30. Will be near impossible of course, unless you own most of the collection, get lucky with netflix, and have a library with a good selection.

I was just thinking about this actually. I think this is a great idea. Have a film assigned for that day, and anyone that has it or can get a copy watch it on that day and then have a discussion on it. Like a book group would do.

I would like to see this in addition to the other ideas that are being thrown around, as only a limited number of people could participate in that portion of the challenge.

Sessa17 08-06-09 03:43 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
Why not just a thread, something like "post & review the last Criterion you watched"? The challenge thing is just too complicated for me, & I have literally piles & piles of unwatched films, w/ criterions just mixed in, so I don't like being committed to having to watch certain movies in a timeframe. But I do have (thanks to the sale) dozens of blind buy Criterions, like I'm sure others do, so I'm really just more interested in the discussion aspect. For instance, I''m watching Solaris for the first time, & now I'm on the extras, I'd like a thread where I can post more thoughts, but there is no thread like that. Rather than just start a thread for all of 8 people here who have probably watched the original Solaris, if we had a Criterion discussion thread like I suggested, it would be perfect.

jjcool 08-06-09 04:17 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Sessa17 (Post 9627099)
Why not just a thread, something like "post & review the last Criterion you watched"? The challenge thing is just too complicated for me, & I have literally piles & piles of unwatched films, w/ criterions just mixed in, so I don't like being committed to having to watch certain movies in a timeframe. But I do have (thanks to the sale) dozens of blind buy Criterions, like I'm sure others do, so I'm really just more interested in the discussion aspect. For instance, I''m watching Solaris for the first time, & now I'm on the extras, I'd like a thread where I can post more thoughts, but there is no thread like that. Rather than just start a thread for all of 8 people here who have probably watched the original Solaris, if we had a Criterion discussion thread like I suggested, it would be perfect.

You don't think that with the many discs that criterion has released that a single thread would get too cluttered? I'm trying to think of a good way to do this, and so far that is the big con I come up with for a single Criterion thread. THe big con I come up with for individual threads is the one you mentioned.

Sessa17 08-06-09 04:55 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by jjcool (Post 9627207)
You don't think that with the many discs that criterion has released that a single thread would get too cluttered? I'm trying to think of a good way to do this, and so far that is the big con I come up with for a single Criterion thread. THe big con I come up with for individual threads is the one you mentioned.

Not at all, it's like 5% of us that post here that buy Criterions that aren't Michael Bay or Wes Anderson movies. Just look at the B&N thread, it was basically just the same people posting over & over. We will be discussing not just the films we watch, but the extras on the DVDs so we can keep it in DVD Talk, I guaranty that a general Criterion watch & review discussion thread won't get half the posts as just one Transformers movie thread. And if it does even better, we just keep the thread going when it gets too long & make a "Post your Criterion thoughts & reviews Part 2" or whatever thread.

My only suggestion is that the thread is a "post your reviews/thoughts after you watch a movie" type thread only. It's not a bargain discussion thread, it's not an announcement for upcoming release type thread.

That's just my 2-cents, if there is more enthusiasm for a challenge thread, by all means go for that instead, it's just too restricting for me. I'd just like to discuss the total package of a Criterion after I watch it, & right now there is no place to do that.

Trevor 08-06-09 05:15 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
^ I see your point, but I think there are a few avenues for that. There's an entire forum dedicated to movie reviews and recommendations. And even outside of that forum, people often post threads about specfic films/DVD releases with the purpose of discussing them.

Darn, lots more thoughts, but must work now, more later or tomorrow.

Sessa17 08-06-09 06:12 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 9627412)
^ I see your point, but I think there are a few avenues for that. There's an entire forum dedicated to movie reviews and recommendations. And even outside of that forum, people often post threads about specfic films/DVD releases with the purpose of discussing them.

Yeah, but they are mainstream blockbuster films that get their own threads. Almost anytime someone posts a thread for anything off the beaten path, it gets very little replies & most of the movie talk forum is for recent films. Lets say last night I watched, L'Ecclisse, tonight The Obscure Object of Desire, & tomorrow I start on the Eric Rohmer set. Why would I start 3 separate threads for each movie, all 3 would have very little responses. That's why one general Criterion thread is a good idea, it's for everyone who once they try a new Criterion to then post their thoughts on it.

I would have loved one consolidated thread like that when this B&N sale started. This way we all have one place to look at when looking for a new Criterion to check out.

Zizoujuve 08-06-09 07:49 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
I'm down, I have about 100 or so unwatched criterions. I'd love to have a good chance to rip through a bunch of them.

Trevor 08-06-09 08:50 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Sessa17 (Post 9627549)
Yeah, but they are mainstream blockbuster films that get their own threads. Almost anytime someone posts a thread for anything off the beaten path, it gets very little replies & most of the movie talk forum is for recent films. Lets say last night I watched, L'Ecclisse, tonight The Obscure Object of Desire, & tomorrow I start on the Eric Rohmer set. Why would I start 3 separate threads for each movie, all 3 would have very little responses. That's why one general Criterion thread is a good idea, it's for everyone who once they try a new Criterion to then post their thoughts on it.

I would have loved one consolidated thread like that when this B&N sale started. This way we all have one place to look at when looking for a new Criterion to check out.

But keep in mind that few of us will have seen the same films. Counting Eclipse titles, we're at over 600 films in the collection. I'd quickly subscribe to a thread like you describe, but the first 80 films discussed could easily be ones I've never seen. Even if everyone was good with spoiler tags, there would be a lot of frustration.

But maybe some fine tuning? Like start one general catch-all Criterion thread, where one would discuss the collection, directors/films in general terms, even bargains, but discussion of specific films in detail would be moved to a separate thread with a link to it in the "master" thread.

Just thinking out loud....

Sparrow 08-06-09 09:20 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
While I didn't post in the B&N thread, I'd be thrilled to use a challenge to dig into the most recent additions to my collection.

Count me in.

hindolio 08-06-09 11:36 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
i respect everyones opinion and think just doing anything is great!

however, and you knew there was going to be a however, im not convinced about the one cc a day challenge. kinda like sessa, im not sure that would be very successful for participation of dialogue. call me jaded.

i guess i kinda misunderstood you trevor with the 30 vs 60 imaginary points thingy. i was thinking that points were only "awarded" for each checklist. maybe i still dont understand, buy why give a point for watching a criterion and have the strong possibility of it being worth another point because it is on the checklist?

i can imagine a checklist of 30 not encompassing each and every criterion out there, but so what? we can have a different checklist next year yesh? i dont want this challenge to be a one and done thing. and besides, im not looking for the perfect cc challenge. we live and we learn no? just my random thoughts.

Trevor 08-07-09 01:30 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
Ok, this might be long, but I'll sort of summarize the history of Challenges here and my thoughts for this one.

Pretty sure that the first Challenge here was the Horror one in 2006. The main point was that each individual was challenged to watch 100 horror films that calendar month. Of course, anyone could fully participate in the discussions and listing, even if you didn't watch any horror. Later Holiday, Academy Awards, and Sci-Fi Challenges started and became annual events here at DVDTalk. Most are similar in that the goal is to watch 100 films.
So while none of the challenges are totally ruled by "getting to 100", I still want this one to move away from encouraging any more than 1 film per day. Reasons include caring about your health, keeping away from the arguments that started when people would watch (or claim to watch) 15 hours of movies per day the entire month, stressing quality over quantity, and the possibly incorrect belief that most of these films are "denser" than other Challenge fodder and more than 1 or 2 a day would dillute one's ability to have a positive affect in the discussions. And more discussion is what we're aiming for. If you're just here to watch movies, list them, and not discuss them, then the monthly watched films threads are more for you. A huge part of any Challenge is to encourage discussion of the genre and the films.

To appease old-schoolers, give some structure, and give everyone a goal; we came up with the idea of any Criterion content in a calendar day being "worth a point", regardless of time spent. The point is to discourage people from running thru their collections trying to "win" the Challenge. I don't want this to be about winning or losing, but recognize that many like the competitive nature of these Challenges. So with 30 days in September, the highest score possible for any participant would be 30. Just watch anything Criterion that day, and get a point. Three minutes or twenty-four hours, both equally worth one point.
The optional checklist feature of DVDTalk Challenges started in 2007, and have been included in each Challenge since. They are simply a fun extra "bingo card" to give each individual additional goals, and some direction in what to watch. They are completely optional and many Challenge participants don't use them. Here is an example checklist from the horror challenges. As you can see, it includes about 100 items. One movie may fill 5 or more places in your checklist by the way. In that checklist, Frankenstein (1931) would qualify for the 1930s decade, for unrated, for Boris Karloff, for the Frankenstein subgenre, and for based on a novel. These checklists aren't for scoring per se, but they do have the competitive aspect of people racing to complete them. Bingo!
We'd obviously come up with a checklist for this Criterion Challenge. One idea is to more appease the people who want it to be competitive by allowing the checklist to also count in the scoring. If the checklist was 30 items long, and you completed each item, and watched something each calendar day, you'd score 60 points for the Challenge. Its just a completely optional thing to add to the challenge aspect of the month. There has to be a challenge, otherwise we could just have discussion threads or "book clubs" (which are also great ideas and I'd be interested). Every Criterion would qualify for at least 3 entries in the checklist, one for spine number, one for decade, and one for genre.
Discussion is a vital part of any Challenge, and likely key for most participants. Look back at any of the threads in our challenge history here, and you'll find lively and sometimes heated discussion. Yes, set schedules or "book clubs" would allow for better or at least more focused discussion, but that's really a whole different topic. Each Challenge is different, and this may end up more different than most, but it is still a Challenge. People are free to watch anything they want, and people desiring tons of dialogue on a specific movie they choose to watch, may come away disappointed. Even if we had 50 participants, and you watch 30 films, it is possible that no one else watches or even has watched your specific choices.
So we're trying to come up with ideas to steer this Challenge into more discussion. One idea is to do something like what we did in the Horror Challenge last year, and have a film schedule. We did one per day for the horror challenge, but could change that to one per week, or maybe one every 3 days. This is a completely optional thing, where people are encouraged to watch those specific films and participate in what is hoped to be more substantial dialogue that a typical Challenge allows. You don't have to watch any of those Criterions, or watch them on the days listed, but all are invited to particpate in more in-depth discussion on them in a separate spoiler-free thread.

sleepyhead55 08-07-09 01:31 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
They have a bunch of Criterions at my public library system. I've always wanted to watch some of these Criterions but not neccesarily buy them (for fear of not liking the film). So count me in.

Can we still watch a film that is on the Criterion list but not an actual Criterion? For example, I've always wanted to watch Rushmore, however the Criterion is OOP and unavailable. I did find a normal dvd of Rushmore at the library and would like to watch that.

When is this scheduled to start? I have some Criterions I've requested at the library and they should be coming in soon and I want to watch them. Luckily, they give me two weeks to pick up the stuff.

Dick Laurent 08-07-09 01:48 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
I'm interested. I think it should be limited to actual Criterions. With such a massive catalogue (to include "Armageddon" ??) it would be too easy to just watch any movie on the list. I believe the point of the challenge would be for fellow viewers to share impressions of the film's presentation and preservation by Criterion, of which would be lost on those watching non-C editions. But we should also emphasize the point of just watching and discussing, so if you can only find three Criterions, you'd still feel a part of the discussion, plus get ideas/inspiration for further viewing.

I'd liken it to a cigar club. Similar-minded viewers sharing thoughts and impressions on the make and craftsmanship of great Criterions. I already picked out my Criterion-watching jacket, and a snifter of Remy Martin...

jjcool 08-07-09 03:29 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Sessa17 (Post 9627354)
Not at all, it's like 5% of us that post here that buy Criterions that aren't Michael Bay or Wes Anderson movies. Just look at the B&N thread, it was basically just the same people posting over & over. We will be discussing not just the films we watch, but the extras on the DVDs so we can keep it in DVD Talk, I guaranty that a general Criterion watch & review discussion thread won't get half the posts as just one Transformers movie thread. And if it does even better, we just keep the thread going when it gets too long & make a "Post your Criterion thoughts & reviews Part 2" or whatever thread.

My only suggestion is that the thread is a "post your reviews/thoughts after you watch a movie" type thread only. It's not a bargain discussion thread, it's not an announcement for upcoming release type thread.

That's just my 2-cents, if there is more enthusiasm for a challenge thread, by all means go for that instead, it's just too restricting for me. I'd just like to discuss the total package of a Criterion after I watch it, & right now there is no place to do that.

I dont want to see people excluded from the discussion because certain movies are excluded. I do own the Bay Criterions, but not the Wes Anderson films. I enjoy watching the Ba Criterions. They are good fun. They are also not my only criterions. I dont think any titles hsoudl be excluded from the discussion just because someon ethinks the movie isnt worthy enough. My guess is that the most widely owned criterions are going to be the more mainsteram titles, and will hopefully produce the most discussion.

Sessa17 08-07-09 03:40 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by jjcool (Post 9629727)
I dont want to see people excluded from the discussion because certain movies are excluded. I do own the Bay Criterions, but not the Wes Anderson films. I enjoy watching the Ba Criterions. They are good fun. They are also not my only criterions. I dont think any titles hsoudl be excluded from the discussion just because someon ethinks the movie isnt worthy enough. My guess is that the most widely owned criterions are going to be the more mainsteram titles, and will hopefully produce the most discussion.

I never mentioned anything about excluding films, I'm not sure where you are getting that from. It's a Criterion thread, it doesn't matter what movie people post about, just as long as it's a Criterion. My point was that someone mentioned a Criterion review thread would be too long, but the posts in the forum show, that very, very few people here actually buy a lot of Criterions. Many only have dabbled no farther than the obvious Hollywood mainstream ones, so a Criterion review thread would not get as much traffic as one may think.

jjcool 08-07-09 03:45 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
The more i think about it, the more I like the Criterion checklist idea. I am still leaning towards the thought that seperate threads is the way to go, but realize that some titles may get little traffic. This makes me think that an ideal solution may be a sub forum for criterion discussion. Don't know if that is possible though.

Sessa17 08-07-09 03:50 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by jjcool (Post 9629770)
The more i think about it, the more I like the Criterion checklist idea. I am still leaning towards the thought that seperate threads is the way to go, but realize that some titles may get little traffic.

Yeah, I think that I'm just going to post my idea for a general Criterion thoughts/review thread & if it dies with little interest then so be it. And then you guys can do your "challenge" thread.

Trevor 08-07-09 04:44 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by Sessa17 (Post 9629785)
Yeah, I think that I'm just going to post my idea for a general Criterion thoughts/review thread & if it dies with little interest then so be it. And then you guys can do your "challenge" thread.

Sounds great. But any response to my thoughts in post 62?

I'd hate to go into a thread to discuss one movie, and have key plots points of five other movies spoiled for me.

Darkgod 08-07-09 05:24 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
I don't own many, but I'll particapate... My goal is 4, 1 a week. I need to save energy for october...... (I'm finally gonna hit 100)

chris_sc77 08-07-09 08:46 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 
I was really hoping for a B1G1 criterion sale at DeepDiscount this year. LAst year it took place in Mid July but we havnt had one yet this year.

Trevor 08-07-09 09:12 PM

Re: Anyone up for the 1st Annual DVDTalk Criterion Challenge?
 

Originally Posted by chris_sc77 (Post 9630275)
I was really hoping for a B1G1 criterion sale at DeepDiscount this year. LAst year it took place in Mid July but we havnt had one yet this year.

We just had a much much better than B1G1 deal at B&N that ended days ago.


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