The Dark Knight: 12-09-08 (Part Two)
#202
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Picture issues and neat toys aside, put me down as another person disappointed there wasn't a feature on Heath or any commentary whatsoever. The featurettes in this release are really, really disappointing. Someone please tell me what the purpose is of including IMAX scenes when (I'm certain) none of us own IMAX screens in our homes. Does that strike anyone else as completely pointless? The intended display screen is several stories tall, and I'm watching these in all their 50" glory. Whoopie!
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Picture issues and neat toys aside, put me down as another person disappointed there wasn't a feature on Heath or any commentary whatsoever. The featurettes in this release are really, really disappointing. Someone please tell me what the purpose is of including IMAX scenes when (I'm certain) none of us own IMAX screens in our homes. Does that strike anyone else as completely pointless? The intended display screen is several stories tall, and I'm watching these in all their 50" glory. Whoopie!
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The picture is, for a lack of better words, grotesque. Some scenes look incredibly clean while others look like they belong on transfers from DVDs dating back to 1997. Whoever thought sabotaging standard-def DVD prints to make Blu-Ray look a billion times better (not to mention denying the majority of people the features you made exclusive to the Blu-Ray just to make some more dough) should be shot multiple times.
And they didn't even include ALL of the IMAX scenes.
All wide/zooming shots of Gotham and Hong Kong were in IMAX.
And the whole scene after
was in IMAX - starting from the Joker hanging his head out the back of the cop cruiser to Alfred finishing reading Rachel's letter.
And my last complaint - the sound is AMAZING, but I'm surprised the Joker theme went down an audible notch or two. In the theater (and even on the bootleg YouTube videos), you could FEEL the theme building up. Now, it's comaparble to a whimper.
If I had been in charge of designing the TDK DVD, I would have created a work of art.
And they didn't even include ALL of the IMAX scenes.
All wide/zooming shots of Gotham and Hong Kong were in IMAX.
And the whole scene after
Spoiler:
And my last complaint - the sound is AMAZING, but I'm surprised the Joker theme went down an audible notch or two. In the theater (and even on the bootleg YouTube videos), you could FEEL the theme building up. Now, it's comaparble to a whimper.
If I had been in charge of designing the TDK DVD, I would have created a work of art.
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Picture issues and neat toys aside, put me down as another person disappointed there wasn't a feature on Heath or any commentary whatsoever. The featurettes in this release are really, really disappointing. Someone please tell me what the purpose is of including IMAX scenes when (I'm certain) none of us own IMAX screens in our homes. Does that strike anyone else as completely pointless?
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Those are awesome. Now, I'm disappointed because I'm reminded how I didn't get the Joker card at BB.
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The picture is, for a lack of better words, grotesque. Some scenes look incredibly clean while others look like they belong on transfers from DVDs dating back to 1997. Whoever thought sabotaging standard-def DVD prints to make Blu-Ray look a billion times better (not to mention denying the majority of people the features you made exclusive to the Blu-Ray just to make some more dough) should be shot multiple times.
And they didn't even include ALL of the IMAX scenes.
All wide/zooming shots of Gotham and Hong Kong were in IMAX.
And the whole scene after
was in IMAX - starting from the Joker hanging his head out the back of the cop cruiser to Alfred finishing reading Rachel's letter.
And my last complaint - the sound is AMAZING, but I'm surprised the Joker theme went down an audible notch or two. In the theater (and even on the bootleg YouTube videos), you could FEEL the theme building up. Now, it's comaparble to a whimper.
If I had been in charge of designing the TDK DVD, I would have created a work of art.
And they didn't even include ALL of the IMAX scenes.
All wide/zooming shots of Gotham and Hong Kong were in IMAX.
And the whole scene after
Spoiler:
And my last complaint - the sound is AMAZING, but I'm surprised the Joker theme went down an audible notch or two. In the theater (and even on the bootleg YouTube videos), you could FEEL the theme building up. Now, it's comaparble to a whimper.
If I had been in charge of designing the TDK DVD, I would have created a work of art.
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I wound up deciding it was time, and I made The Dark Knight my very first Blu-ray purchase. I don't own a player or a PS3, but the difference in price between the DVD 2-disc and Blu-ray ended up being $1, so I took the plunge. I'll get a player at some point, and the digital copy can tide me over until then.
It's the first time I've gotten any use out of a digital copy, and I must say thta it looks better than I expected. It even expands for the IMAX scenes, a nice surprise.
It's the first time I've gotten any use out of a digital copy, and I must say thta it looks better than I expected. It even expands for the IMAX scenes, a nice surprise.
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This.
To me the two short featurettes they did include just screamed 'Preview of the full length 'Making of' feature. Available next year'.
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I wound up deciding it was time, and I made The Dark Knight my very first Blu-ray purchase. I don't own a player or a PS3, but the difference in price between the DVD 2-disc and Blu-ray ended up being $1, so I took the plunge. I'll get a player at some point, and the digital copy can tide me over until then.
It's the first time I've gotten any use out of a digital copy, and I must say thta it looks better than I expected. It even expands for the IMAX scenes, a nice surprise.
It's the first time I've gotten any use out of a digital copy, and I must say thta it looks better than I expected. It even expands for the IMAX scenes, a nice surprise.
Its interesting reading some of the comments about quality. from seeing the movie in both versions, you can tell some of the grainyness was intentional to make it feel more gritty. and the opening scenes of the bank robbery, there is that hum/white noise, it just adds to the build up of the arrival of the Joker.
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My own little story: I was browsing at Target today and this lady was looking at The Dark Knight DVD section for a few minutes. When I walked by she stopped me and asked about the widescreen or full screen. Thankfully she had an understanding about aspect ratios and I suggested that even though she currently didn't have a widescreen TV that she should go ahead and get the Widescreen Edition rather than Full Screen (she even understood that with the full frame one you lose picture).
My faith in human-movie-watching-kind has been restored.
My faith in human-movie-watching-kind has been restored.
I couldn't even begin to estimate how many people we converted to WS. It always felt good to open someone's eyes, and often to even convince them to go buy a dvd player just so they could enjoy movies the way they were intended!
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On a serious note, I skimmed through some of the movie and think it looks pretty good. I like the shifting ratio and the IMAX scenes look fantastic. The disc may not be perfect but I think that some of the criticism has been a little ridiculous.
It may have been stated earlier but I read somewhere Nolan nixed a Ledger tribute to avoid capitalizing on his death, since his performance really speaks for itself.
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Wasn't trying to hijack the thread or anything. It WAS on topic with the board conversation... just not the original thread topic. The post I quoted, along with another earlier in the thread was discussing other customers they've encountered and some of the ignorant views of widescreen.
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Funny, since Heath's death played such a large factor in this movie's subsequent success at the box office. I'd say they already capitalized pretty darn well, whether they intended to or not.
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Wasn't trying to hijack the thread or anything. It WAS on topic with the board conversation... just not the original thread topic. The post I quoted, along with another earlier in the thread was discussing other customers they've encountered and some of the ignorant views of widescreen.
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I think the affect that his death had on the box office has been overstated. His death certainly contributed somewhat to the box office success, but I can't see it being anything more than a minor factor. His performance as the Joker and the overall quality of the movie is what had people talking and coming back more than once.
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I don't think it was overstated at all. The fact that the subject has been stated so much reflects the effect completely. Great performance, given. Great movie, given. But so many people were wanting to see this movie to see Heath's Final Performance that I really believe they doubled what the movie would have made, on that fact alone.
IMHO, the omission of a special feature dedicated to Heath and his performance is a blatant disregarding of just how well he helped stuff their wallets. Like I said, they may have not intended on capitalizing on his death, but they did nonetheless.
IMHO, the omission of a special feature dedicated to Heath and his performance is a blatant disregarding of just how well he helped stuff their wallets. Like I said, they may have not intended on capitalizing on his death, but they did nonetheless.
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I don't think it was overstated at all. The fact that the subject has been stated so much reflects the effect completely. Great performance, given. Great movie, given. But so many people were wanting to see this movie to see Heath's Final Performance that I really believe they doubled what the movie would have made, on that fact alone.
IMHO, the omission of a special feature dedicated to Heath and his performance is a blatant disregarding of just how well he helped stuff their wallets. Like I said, they may have not intended on capitalizing on his death, but they did nonetheless.
IMHO, the omission of a special feature dedicated to Heath and his performance is a blatant disregarding of just how well he helped stuff their wallets. Like I said, they may have not intended on capitalizing on his death, but they did nonetheless.
His death had almost nothing to do with the box office success. It was his performance. Far bigger, better, and more popular actors have had films come out after their deaths, and it didn't boost box office. Peope don't flock to see something based on a death, and it most certainly doesn't double anything.
p.s. It's not even "Heath's Final Performance". He will still be seen in most of The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, with only certain fantasy sections of it having him replaced with Johnny Depp, Colin Farrell, and Jude Law.
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Well, that's your opinion, and I have mine. I do dare to say, though, that a lot of people might agree with me.
I called it Heath's Final Performance, and capitalized it as such, facesciously, because that's what a lot of people out there were thinking of this as. I'm fully aware of the upcoming movie.
I called it Heath's Final Performance, and capitalized it as such, facesciously, because that's what a lot of people out there were thinking of this as. I'm fully aware of the upcoming movie.
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i don't know know why people are so surprised at the lack of commentary or special features. i know this did a helluva lot more than "Batman Begins", but that was a success beyond all expectations. BB had next to nothing in terms of girth as well and no commentary and no double dip release that included more special features. this release seems pretty much in-line with its' predecessor. would i have liked more, hell yes, did i get more, no. but, i got the movie and that is what i can't wait to freggin see!
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I think there are very few people that would agree with your assertion that Heath Ledger's untimely death caused the box office returns for the Dark Knight to double. That's absolutely ludicrous. Heath Ledger was only a mildly popular actor prior to the Dark Knight, so very few people were flocking to the theaters just to see his final movie. It was the performance itself and the hype surrounding it (which started before his death) that had people flocking to the theaters, not to mention the almost universally-positive reviews of the film. His death just amplified the hype by a few degrees.