Is there anyone here (Christmas present notwithstanding) still using DVD?
12-07-08 | 02:17 PM
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And even if you don't go to movies, do you have friends or family that do? It makes a great gift.
Even if I never went to movies, I'd consider moviecash as cash. Just my opinion of course....
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12-07-08 | 03:22 PM
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This is a debatable observation and I think that you are missing the point of my statement.
DVD did not become what it is because people suddenly realized that it is a tremendous improvement over VHS. In fact, DVD was effectively dismissed by many because it tried to instill a brand new philosophy of viewing films at home - original aspect ration, multiple subtitle options, extras, etc. With other words, the studios made it succeed.
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DVD did not become what it is because people suddenly realized that it is a tremendous improvement over VHS. In fact, DVD was effectively dismissed by many because it tried to instill a brand new philosophy of viewing films at home - original aspect ration, multiple subtitle options, extras, etc. With other words, the studios made it succeed.
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As more and more people get larger TVs that may one day be a driving force for BR, but right now, for the most part, it isn't.
I see you points to some degree. Don't have time to read all of the recent posts, but here are two quick points.
I feel that a person can be just as much as a film aficionado with a VHS on a 5" black and white as a person with a hundred thousand dollar home theater. The movie is the thing. Better sound and/or picture is just bells and whistles. Saying or implying that a true fan has to go blu-ray is just wrong.
Also, the blu-ray library is very much geared towards mainstream stuff right now. I could easily see a classic film buff having only 3 or 4 of their 500 favorite movies available. How can you even begin to imply that true fans should go blu when there is nothing available. Heck, I consider myself a mainstream fluffy film fan, and only a dozen or less of my top 200 films are on blu ray.
Then there is the whole quality is relative argument. I don't think any of us should argue with anyone who thinks that DVD is good enough for them, especially when you have to admit that there is a minimum of a 2-1 price difference right now. Sure, there are some blu rays cheaper than the same film on DVD, and sometimes the cost is only slightly higher. But for pretty much everyone, the price difference is at least 2 to 1.
Joe public sees DVDs at $5-15 and blu-rays at $20-35.
I'll use myself as another extreme, a bargain shopper. This year I've bought about 60 blu rays for perhaps $8 each on average. (I've been patient and very savvy in my shopping, most bargain hunters are probably higher per disc than that.) I've bought about 500 DVDs at perhaps $3 per film.
I'd rather have 80 great films on DVD than 30 from a very limited selection on blu-ray.
I feel that a person can be just as much as a film aficionado with a VHS on a 5" black and white as a person with a hundred thousand dollar home theater. The movie is the thing. Better sound and/or picture is just bells and whistles. Saying or implying that a true fan has to go blu-ray is just wrong.
Also, the blu-ray library is very much geared towards mainstream stuff right now. I could easily see a classic film buff having only 3 or 4 of their 500 favorite movies available. How can you even begin to imply that true fans should go blu when there is nothing available. Heck, I consider myself a mainstream fluffy film fan, and only a dozen or less of my top 200 films are on blu ray.
Then there is the whole quality is relative argument. I don't think any of us should argue with anyone who thinks that DVD is good enough for them, especially when you have to admit that there is a minimum of a 2-1 price difference right now. Sure, there are some blu rays cheaper than the same film on DVD, and sometimes the cost is only slightly higher. But for pretty much everyone, the price difference is at least 2 to 1.
Joe public sees DVDs at $5-15 and blu-rays at $20-35.
I'll use myself as another extreme, a bargain shopper. This year I've bought about 60 blu rays for perhaps $8 each on average. (I've been patient and very savvy in my shopping, most bargain hunters are probably higher per disc than that.) I've bought about 500 DVDs at perhaps $3 per film.
I'd rather have 80 great films on DVD than 30 from a very limited selection on blu-ray.
BTW to be a TRUE film collector YOU HAVE TO COLLECT FILMS -- not VHS, not DVD not even Blu-Ray -- FILMS --- THEN YOU'LL REALLY HAVE THE BEST QUALITY AVAILBLE -- so not even Pro-B is a TRUE CINEPHILE!
12-07-08 | 04:02 PM
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Actually, I'm curious to your choices. Why the horrible sequel and not the first JP? And why the second LOTR and then not the finale?
Seriously though, I respect people choosing to not go to theaters and wait for DVD. I go to perhaps 2 movies per week, but only because they are "free". But there are occasional exceptions that NEED to be seen in a theater. The Dark Knight was one of those.
12-07-08 | 04:20 PM
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12-07-08 | 07:12 PM
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12-07-08 | 08:29 PM
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Although I don't think Blu Ray quality is better than DVD or looks better than DVD, it is unquestionable that PRO-BASS has the #1 DVD collection out of everyone at DVDtalk or even at other DVD forum sites. There is nowhere anywhere else that one has a better dvd collection than his. I partly didn't want PRO-BASS to switch to Blu Ray, because that will put an end to more unique dvds getting added to his dvd collection.
12-08-08 | 12:24 AM
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WALL-E was the last movie I watched Blu Ray (in store) vs DVD....the blu ray looks much worse than the DVD...way to crisp, and background and foreground should not be equal focus...Regardless of how the filmmakers intended the audience to see the film, no background should be as crisp and clear as the foreground - it's just not the way we are supposed to see...
12-08-08 | 09:03 AM
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WALL-E was the last movie I watched Blu Ray (in store) vs DVD....the blu ray looks much worse than the DVD...way to crisp, and background and foreground should not be equal focus...Regardless of how the filmmakers intended the audience to see the film, no background should be as crisp and clear as the foreground - it's just not the way we are supposed to see...
12-08-08 | 09:26 AM
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I haven't bought many DVD's lately unless they were on sale for a really low price or titles recently released that were on my Want List.
I'll stick with regular DVDs UNLESS something from that list is released only on Blu-Ray and I don't even own a BR player. Probably at some point in time, I will move up but right now BR prices are too high in my opinion.
(And with my luck, any BR titles I go ahead and buy will find their way to regular DVD format after I get a BR version!)
I'll stick with regular DVDs UNLESS something from that list is released only on Blu-Ray and I don't even own a BR player. Probably at some point in time, I will move up but right now BR prices are too high in my opinion.
(And with my luck, any BR titles I go ahead and buy will find their way to regular DVD format after I get a BR version!)
12-08-08 | 09:27 AM
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12-08-08 | 10:51 AM
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WALL-E was the last movie I watched Blu Ray (in store) vs DVD....the blu ray looks much worse than the DVD...way to crisp, and background and foreground should not be equal focus...Regardless of how the filmmakers intended the audience to see the film, no background should be as crisp and clear as the foreground - it's just not the way we are supposed to see...
You might as well be saying that a DVD looks better than a perfectly projected film.
12-08-08 | 11:06 AM
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I still don't understand that Blu Ray is supposedly equal to a film projected in the theater. Is blu ray quality equal to a digital projection of a movie in a theater and/or is it equal to a non-digital projection of a movie in a theater. I still think DVD looks better or just as good as non-digital theater projections. Non-digital theater projections are usually grainy, some scratches here and there, etc...(i still like it when it's like this though). If you project a DVD to the size of a huge theater screen, then I understand that DVD quality is worse than 35 m projected on that huge screen. But I always thought that a DVD image quality watched on a 40 inch HDTV screen looks crisper, cleaner, and clearer than a 35 m film projected on a huge screen?
12-08-08 | 11:39 AM
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I mostly rent anymore--it's just so much cheaper. But I don't yet have a Blu-Ray player or TV. I just don't need it. So until I get both, I'll keep enjoying DVDs.
Even if I get a Blu-Ray player, I think I'll rent mostly DVDs as they're only a buck at RedBox.
Even if I get a Blu-Ray player, I think I'll rent mostly DVDs as they're only a buck at RedBox.
12-08-08 | 12:53 PM
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12-08-08 | 06:20 PM
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I still don't understand that Blu Ray is supposedly equal to a film projected in the theater. Is blu ray quality equal to a digital projection of a movie in a theater and/or is it equal to a non-digital projection of a movie in a theater. I still think DVD looks better or just as good as non-digital theater projections. Non-digital theater projections are usually grainy, some scratches here and there, etc...(i still like it when it's like this though). If you project a DVD to the size of a huge theater screen, then I understand that DVD quality is worse than 35 m projected on that huge screen. But I always thought that a DVD image quality watched on a 40 inch HDTV screen looks crisper, cleaner, and clearer than a 35 m film projected on a huge screen?
And the rest of what your saying doesn't make any sense either.
You may prefer the look of a DVD to film or Blu-Ray, but it is not better from any objective perspective. Blu-ray is in fact closer to the look of a projected film than DVD. Blu-ray discs can reproduce grain if it is in the film print. Film prints are usually not meant to be seen with any scratches (and most directors would not want them there), blemishes are almost always an unfortunate side-effect of the process of projecting film. A lot of the things you like about film seem to deal with improper projection.
You have every right to like the look of DVD over BRD but don't go preaching your preference as fact.
And I can tell you, the Wall-E BRD looks way closer to what I saw in the theatres than the DVD, and much closer to what the Director intended, even if you think his artistic intentions are wrong.
12-09-08 | 03:08 PM
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so did you see a digital projection of Wall-E or a regular projection of Wall-E?
12-10-08 | 08:31 AM
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I'm sticking with DVD for now. I enjoy standard definition on my 65" RP (which does some upconverting internally) and I watch alot of TV on DVD. I don't feel like paying inflated prices to replace my collection of hundreds (closer to 1000 than 500), many of which aren't available in HD anyway. I was preparing to gradually move into HD-DVD, but I'm going to put off supporting Blu-ray as long as I can because Sony is behind it and I harbor some resentment for that company (root kits, etc.). My hope is I can get by on upconverting until the transition to electronic format is well under way, and just skip the HD media step altogether; that may be an unrealistic expectation. Will I miss out on the best quality presentation? Obviously, but I just gave the reasons that for me trump sheer quality.
12-10-08 | 09:40 AM
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WALL-E was the last movie I watched Blu Ray (in store) vs DVD....the blu ray looks much worse than the DVD...way to crisp, and background and foreground should not be equal focus...Regardless of how the filmmakers intended the audience to see the film, no background should be as crisp and clear as the foreground - it's just not the way we are supposed to see...
Tell that to Gregg Toland
12-10-08 | 10:07 AM
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My first DVD player was in my PC. Then I got an all-in-one with my CRT television. Last week I bought a small unit to replace a malfunctioning CD player in my front room that I found played DVDs also.
When I get a flat screen TV I may invest in something along the lines of the all-region upscaling DVD player mentioned earlier.
I'm contemplating skipping Blu-Ray altogether and waiting for solid state devices. Doubtless it has been discussed to death here but I'm unsure why there isn't already a big push for a memory card/stick format.
NB) I still buy more books than I do DVDs although, when one counts gift purchases, the annual ratio may now be approaching 1:1.
When I get a flat screen TV I may invest in something along the lines of the all-region upscaling DVD player mentioned earlier.
I'm contemplating skipping Blu-Ray altogether and waiting for solid state devices. Doubtless it has been discussed to death here but I'm unsure why there isn't already a big push for a memory card/stick format.
NB) I still buy more books than I do DVDs although, when one counts gift purchases, the annual ratio may now be approaching 1:1.
12-10-08 | 10:38 AM
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12-10-08 | 10:43 AM
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My first DVD player was in my PC. Then I got an all-in-one with my CRT television. Last week I bought a small unit to replace a malfunctioning CD player in my front room that I found played DVDs also.
When I get a flat screen TV I may invest in something along the lines of the all-region upscaling DVD player mentioned earlier.
I'm contemplating skipping Blu-Ray altogether and waiting for solid state devices. Doubtless it has been discussed to death here but I'm unsure why there isn't already a big push for a memory card/stick format.
NB) I still buy more books than I do DVDs although, when one counts gift purchases, the annual ratio may now be approaching 1:1.
When I get a flat screen TV I may invest in something along the lines of the all-region upscaling DVD player mentioned earlier.
I'm contemplating skipping Blu-Ray altogether and waiting for solid state devices. Doubtless it has been discussed to death here but I'm unsure why there isn't already a big push for a memory card/stick format.
NB) I still buy more books than I do DVDs although, when one counts gift purchases, the annual ratio may now be approaching 1:1.
12-10-08 | 12:17 PM
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