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Old 11-13-08, 10:36 PM
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TCM Lost RKO Collection: 1/1/09

From TCM's website:
Includes "Double Harness," "Rafter Romance," "One Man's Journey," "Stingaree," "Living on Love," and "A Man to Remember."
Hopefully this will be available from other e-tailers. The TCM pre-order is $64.99, list price is $79.99.
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This really begs for a WTF....where is that RKO classic THE BIG SKY?
Old 11-14-08, 08:51 AM
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I love TCM and all, but really that is too much money for a handful of films from the early 30s that run 60-75 minutes each. It should be half that price, at most.
Old 11-15-08, 11:11 AM
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but you have to remember this set isn't going to sell like gangbusters, so they can't make the profit in volume. Any restoration work on films that old takes time and money. I'll pay it.
Old 11-16-08, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JerryKILL View Post
I love TCM and all, but really that is too much money for a handful of films from the early 30s that run 60-75 minutes each. It should be half that price, at most.
Commentaries and a RKO doc would certainly go partway towards justifying the price.
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Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
but you have to remember this set isn't going to sell like gangbusters, so they can't make the profit in volume. Any restoration work on films that old takes time and money. I'll pay it.
Yes, its a little funny how consumer expectations have changed. Remember when DVDs cost what Blu Ray discs cost now? I guess when you see something like the 3 film "Fox Horror" sets that they are practically giving away at $15 some people expect that as the norm now. I'll pay the higher price too...
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Extras are pretty slim, especially considering the price:

Double Harness (1933)
Smartly directed by John Cromwell, Double Harness was a critical and financial success upon its release. Seen today, the movie seems at once modern and nostalgic, offering a vivid reflection of a sophisticated era in filmmaking. Double Harness has not been seen since its original theatrical release in 1938. Not part of a 50’s television package commonly sold along with the other five "lost" RKO films, it remained relatively unseen until its broadcast premiere on TCM in April 2007. Ann Harding and William Powell lend a great dose of chemistry to this lively comedy about a woman who tricks a man into marriage—and only then tries to earn his love the old-fashioned way. Harding plays Joan Colby, a charming young schemer who believes “marriage is a business” and sets her sights on wealthy playboy John Fletcher (Powell). Once Joan slyly arranges for her father (Henry Stephenson) to spot her and John in a compromising situation, marriage is no longer an option—it’s a necessity. John soon catches on, though, and while divorce looms Joan takes it upon herself to win his affection back honestly. Double Harness is now available for the first time on home video.

BONUS FEATURES:

* Behind-the-Scenes photos featuring, dozens of Scene Stills featuring stars Edward Ellis and Anne Shirley
* An Original Pressbook & Movie Poster
* Original Trailer
* TCM Video Interviews

Rafter Romance (1933)
Ginger Rogers and Norman Foster shine in this breezy comedy about two struggling tenants forced to occupy the same Greenwich Village apartment. When telemarketer Mary Carroll (Rogers) and night watchman Jack Bacon (Foster) both fall three months behind in their rent, their landlord forces them to share the fourth floor attic in twelve-hour shifts: Mary resides there during the evening, and Jack during the day. Despite the fact that they’ve never met, Mary and Jack form definite opinions of one another, trading their share of caustic notes and nasty practical jokes. It isn’t until these two unwitting roommates meet away from the apartment that they find a romantic connection—all the while unknowingly complaining to each other about… each other! Featuring Robert Benchley as Mary’s boss (and unwelcome love interest), and Laura Hope Crews as a patroness of the arts (with eyes for Jack), Rafter Romance stands out as one of director William Seiter’s best comedies. Since it was made before the “Code” was enforced, the 22-year-old Rogers is even allowed a titillating "strip" scene. Rafter Romance is one of six RKO films of the 1930s previously thought "lost" but rediscovered and restored by TCM, and now available for the first time on home video.

BONUS FEATURES:

* The Original Theatrical Trailer
* Behind the Scenes photos featuring Rogers with cast and crew, dozens of Scene Stills, Publicity Stills, Movie Posters, Lobby Cards
* TCM Video Interviews

One Man's Journey (1933)
Academy Award-winner Lionel Barrymore stars in this gentle drama about a widowed physician who returns to his small rural hometown to set up practice. Dr. Eli Watt (Barrymore) tends tirelessly to the needs of the town’s skeptical and unappreciative residents, often receiving home-grown vegetables as the only payment for his work. Dr. Watt’s son Jimmy (Buster Phelps as a child, Joel McCrea as an adult) follows his father’s footsteps in the medical field, eventually surpassing him in reputation as a successful if selfish surgeon. Jimmy soon takes his beautiful fiancée Joan (Frances Dee) for granted, and it is up to the altruistic Dr. Watt to set his son straight. An inspirational testament to human kindness, One Man’s Journey impressed filmgoers and critics alike: The New York Times praised Barrymore’s performance in particular, noting that he “lends amazing sincerity to his role” and director John Robertson handles the story with impeccable sensitivity. One Man’s Journey is one of six RKO films of the 1930s previously thought "lost" but rediscovered and restored by TCM, and is now available for the first time on home video.

BONUS FEATURES:

* Scene & Publicity Stills
* Movie Posters
* Lobby Cards
* Pressbook Materials
* TCM Video Interviews

Stingaree (1934)
Irene Dunne and Richard Dix team up in this exhilarating hybrid of musical and Western adventure set in Australia in 1874. Aspiring opera singer Hilda Bouverie (Dunne) is languishing at the home of her super-rich guardian (played by the hilarious Mary Boland) when she unwittingly falls for the mysterious bandit Stingaree (Dix). Disguised as a well-known composer and inspired by Hilda's mesmerizing voice, Stingaree gifts Hilda with one of his own compositions-- "Tonight is Mine"-- which subsequently puts her on the path to international fame. Of course, Stingaree captures Hilda's heart in the process. This boisterous film was Dunne's first showcase as a singer, and features several songs including "Stingaree Ballad," "Once You're Mine," and the ubiquitous "Tonight is Mine." Though it stands out as one of the more unusual items in director William Wellman's filmography, Stingaree was met with favorable reviews: The New York Times commented that the movie's "impossible happenings are highly entertaining." Stingaree is one of six RKO films of the 1930s previously thought "lost" but rediscovered and restored by TCM, and is now available on home video for the first time.

BONUS FEATURES:

* A Rare TCM Archives interview with director Wellman on his early career
* Behind the Scenes photos featuring Dunne with cast and crew, dozens of Scene Stills, Publicity Stills
* Movie Posters
* Original Sheet Music
* TCM Video Interviews

Living on Love (1937)
Featuring Franklin Pangborn and Joan Woodbury as criss-crossed suitors, Living on Love is a briskly-paced romantic comedy with a delightful screwball flair. Living on Love is one of six RKO films of the 1930s previously thought "lost" but rediscovered and restored by TCM. A remake of the 1993 RKO comedy Rafter Romance, Living on Love follows the story of two indebted tenants (James Dunn and Whitney Bourne) forced by their landlord (Solly Ward) to inhabit the same basement apartment in 12-hour shifts. In due time, each of the unwitting roommates comes to despise the other’s unseen presence, which leads to a host of practical jokes which become more and more outrageous. When Gary and Mary finally do meet in the outside world, they fall in love—that is, until they discover each other’s true identity! Living On Love is now available for the first time on home video. Great Bonus Features include Scene Stills, Publicity Stills, an Original UK Pressbook, Original Lobby Cards, TCM video interviews, and more.

BONUS FEATURES:

* Scene & Publicity Stills
* An Original UK Pressbook
* Original Lobby Cards
* TCM Video Interviews

A Man to Remember (1938)
A critically acclaimed Garson Kanin/Dalton Trumbo collaboration, A Man to Remember is one of six RKO films of the 1930s previously thought "lost" but rediscovered and restored by Turner Classic Movies. A Man to Remember has not been seen since its original theatrical release in 1938. Not part of a 50’s television package commonly sold along with the other five "lost" RKO films, it remained relatively unseen until its broadcast premiere on TCM in April 2007. The only surviving copy of this film was a 35mm original nitrate, Dutch-subtitled, English-language print, which was preserved by the Netherlands Filmmuseum in 2000. A rare remake generally considered superior to the original and shot, according to Kanin, in 15 days on a budget of only $84,000, A Man to Remember received extraordinary critical praise. The New York Times named it as one of the years ten best films. The newspaper's critic Frank S. Nugent called it "a distinguished and unusual film, for the qualities which distinguish it are merely such elements as simplicity, honesty dignity and human warmth -- elements which properly should be found in every film drama, yet so rarely are." A Man to Remember is now available for the first time on home video.

PLEASE NOTE: A Man to Remember is presented with Dutch subtitles. At present, this is the only known surviving print.

BONUS FEATURES:

* Behind-the-Scenes photos featuring Garson Kanin in his directorial debut
* Dozens of Scene Stills featuring the stars Edward Ellis and Anne Shirley
* 2 original Pressbooks
* Lobby Cards
* TCM Video Interviews


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not impressed with the covers. I think warner does it right with original poster art when available.
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Yeah where's the original posters?
Old 12-05-08, 07:25 AM
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not impressed with the covers. I think warner does it right with original poster art when available.
I agree.

While I like the style of the art, the presentation (blown-up art, large titles, no actors or studio credits, etc.) give them a cheap look similar to $1 titles.

Give us the original poster art or use a classy still shot (similar to Columbia, Criterion , and some Fox releases).
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Watched some of these on TCM, nothing that great, though I like Irene Dunne Stingaree is just...well not up there with her other films, Rafter Romance has a surprisingly risque memorable scene of Ginger Rogers changing clothes and my favorite scene from Double Harness is when she's making dinner for her father (it was the cook's night off) she butters his steak
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I agree about the cover art. Norman Foster's face in particular looks really weird. A collection of non-essential films perhaps, but I love the early studio stuff, so I'll end up ordering this.
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Just a heads up, the titles in this set are DVD-Rs. Most annoying.
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but you have to remember this set isn't going to sell like gangbusters, so they can't make the profit in volume. Any restoration work on films that old takes time and money. I'll pay it.
Exactly. It's great that they are even making them available.
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Just a heads up, the titles in this set are DVD-Rs. Most annoying.
you gotta be kidding me? Thats a new kind of cheap
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Originally Posted by NoirFan View Post
Just a heads up, the titles in this set are DVD-Rs. Most annoying.

Seriously? I was on the fence, but if this is for real, it will be a big pass for me.
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Originally Posted by NoirFan View Post
Just a heads up, the titles in this set are DVD-Rs. Most annoying.
Wha huh?!???
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Sorry, I should have cited a source. From this thread on the Criterion forum:
Originally Posted by souvenir
Yes, all the discs in my set are DVD-R.
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DVD-Rs?

That is outrageous, especially considering TCM is a professional organization and, more importantly, the price that is being charged for the set.

To sell burnt DVDs probably created on someone's computer in the TCM office for that price is beyond imagination.

Is there anything on the packaging to indicate these are burnt DVDs? If not, it is very misleading to the consumer who will be expecting normal pressed discs. This sort of release should be on Blu-Ray or standard DVD at worst - not some home format that will probably prove to be unwatchable in a few years due to rapid deterioration.
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burn-on-demand methinks. seems like a pattern developing maybe.
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I hope TCM's DVD-R quality control is a bit better than the fiasco of Amazon's "exclusive" Dinner for Five: Seasons 1-4 sets.
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Re: TCM Lost RKO Collection: 1/1/09

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DVD-Rs?

That is outrageous, especially considering TCM is a professional organization and, more importantly, the price that is being charged for the set.

To sell burnt DVDs probably created on someone's computer in the TCM office for that price is beyond imagination.

Is there anything on the packaging to indicate these are burnt DVDs? If not, it is very misleading to the consumer who will be expecting normal pressed discs. This sort of release should be on Blu-Ray or standard DVD at worst - not some home format that will probably prove to be unwatchable in a few years due to rapid deterioration.
But TCM is not a DVD manufacturer. In the past it has Warner release discs for it. This time it seems TCM is doing it on its own, and this is apparently the only way to make it feasible. Try releasing pressed discs on your own and you'll see why.

As soon as I saw the simplistic cover art and that the Warner logo nowhere to be found, I knew this release would be "on the cheap", and am not surprised by the DVD-R. I've bought DVD-Rs before, notably the Frederick Wiseman documentaries. Yes, they usually cost $10 more than "regular" DVDs, but that's usually the only way to make it feasible for the seller. If you want the discs bad enough it is usually worth it to pay the extra bucks.

Regarding "this sort of release should be on Blu-Ray", I don't know where you get such a sense of entitlement. In case you have failed to observe, current blu-ray releases are reserved largely for high-profile studio releases that have done well commercially in key demographics, such as 18-49 white male and white tweenagers. In case you have failed to observe, blu-rays still don't have the consumer penetration necessary to make it mainstream.
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Re: TCM Lost RKO Collection: 1/1/09

Getting dvds pressed isn't hard. Runs of a thousand can be printed with color artwork on the disc and shrinkwrapped for under 5 bucks a disc on runs more than a thousand. And while I was one of the first to champion restoration and not minding paying for quality. However if this is a print on demand outfit, I don't mind but the cost should be reflective of that.

AT HTF someone said that the disc art had the wrong burned movie on it. That seems like a lack of Quality Control right there. I figure I might as well just burn these off the TCM broadcast, as the only diffrence is I might have a few watermarks.

That said, are the DVD-Rs even copy protected?
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Re: TCM Lost RKO Collection: 1/1/09

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Getting dvds pressed isn't hard. Runs of a thousand can be printed with color artwork on the disc and shrinkwrapped for under 5 bucks a disc on runs more than a thousand. And while I was one of the first to champion restoration and not minding paying for quality. However if this is a print on demand outfit, I don't mind but the cost should be reflective of that.
I don't think these discs will sell even 500 copies. Also, TCM is apparently given a limited time to sell them due to copyrights and therefore it can't have too many copies in production.

The cost should also be reflective of how big a demand there is for the item. Low demand = higher price.
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Re: TCM Lost RKO Collection: 1/1/09

I would have expected demand for these titles to be huge. They have been out of circulation for many years, have good reputations and are not the modern high tech junk.

I have now doubt that One Man's Journey for example would sell more copies than something like Hancock or Disaster Movie.

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