Yeah, you're right. Must be some equivalent Sci Fi hack out there.

I would suggest Larry Buchanan (Creature of Destruction, In the Year 2889, Mars Needs Women, Curse of the Swamp Creature, Zontar: The Thing from Venus, and Attack of the The Eye Creatures), but I actually enjoy watching his movies (along with Ed Wood's). Something I can't say about Boll's.

Roland Emmerich? (though I do like some of his things)

Can we add John Agar to this list?

Killed off Mr. Boll. Added actors.

Mister Peepers, Roland Emmerich and Larry Buchanan are directors. Can we go ahead and use the checklist for this challenge, or do you want us to wait and use it for next year's challenge?

Fixed those two and added Ray Harryhausen.

I say go ahead and use it now.

Added it to my list.

I noticed while filling in the checklist that Boris Karloff is listed twice.

Clone destroyed

Had to take a short break from scifi to knock out two seasons of csi miami. back on the doctor who kick, then on to a bunch of mst3k i have been sitting on.

woo hoo!! Just realized Twin Peaks would count towards the challange, watched two the other day, showing my lt them for the first time.

Maybe the OP/organizer can ask the mods to make his list thread a sticky for the duration of the challenge?

I don't think they've done it for any of the other challenges.

I'm assuming you're talking about the Emmerich/Devlin commentary. My sentiments exactly. This was a laserdisc commentary and these guys definitely don't know the first rule of commentaries: ALWAYS WATCH THE MOVIE THE NIGHT BEFORE THE COMMENTARY. There's nothing more annoying than the commentary participants saying "wow, I haven't seen this in so long, I find myself watching the movie." Emmerich says "like" every like 5 words. Devlin tries to salvage a couple of interesting quips. He does point out the special edition additions (as in Stargate.)

The visual effects commentary is constantly moving, but it does get a little old after a while. I did find it interesting that the filmed all of the city explosion scenes with the city on it's side since fire tends to go upward.

yes, the Emmerich/Devlin commentary - there's some great tidbits here and there, but not enough if you ask me

as for the city destruction scenes, yeah that fact is really cool, I don't know if they had pics of it on the laserdisc or DVD special features, but the production shots I've seen in Cinefex are fascinating.

so how does 'Hancock' become not applicable, since others are adding superheroes in their lists - I am not naming names.

This is what I assumed as well, and thats why I added Hancock... Didnt really think too much about it, but removed it from my list as its not. No biggie.

IMDB pissed me off because they change genres of movies.

I use Movie Collector to keep track of my movies and it gets the genre from IMDB and back in February I added Fido. It was listed as being Horror, Comedy, Sci-fi. So I decided to watch it since it's in my sci-fi section.

I check IMDB after I'm done, just to make sure and find out they dropped sci-fi and added romance. All Movie didn't help me either, so I ended up not counting it.

It was a good movie but if they're going to give NOTLD a sci-fi rating, they really should keep it on this one.

I think threads get better exposure if they are not stickied actually. People tend to ignore the stickied threads at the top of each forum. Threads that move around from page to page, occasionally getting bumped to the top, are more likely to be noticed.

I couldn't agree more. It's very rare that my eye ever goes to the sticky threads unless it's in a forum I haven't been to in a while.

Here's a question. Hellboy: Sword of Storms is 1 hour 17 minutes. What does that count as? It is a stand-alone DVD, but I think it aired on TV somewhere. 3/4 of a title? Blood and Iron is also ~75 minutes.

A side question. I'm not quite sure Hellboy or the Hellboy animated titles are really Sci-Fi. They are listed in IMDB as Sci-Fi, but as the 5th genre. Is there a qualifier on the genre? Does it have to be top 3 genres or anything? I vaguely remember this from the Horror challenge (I can't remember) that it had to be in the top 3 genres or something. The movie has some Sci-Fi elements with the evil entities being trapped in outer space. Just would like a clarification.

Would JASON X be considered Sci-Fi?

Question 1: From what I can tell, it looks like a stand-alone movie so I'll go with that unless I'm missing something.

Question 2: As long as you see sci-fi anywhere, you're good, even if it's the 16th genre listing.

My Series 3 Tivo took a dump on me and I'm losing everything on it since I have to send it in to get it replaced.

Now I've lost all 6 Star Wars movies in HD, the theatrical version of Grindhouse in HD and MST3K: The Movie in HD. So much for putting off making DVDs out of all of those.

Allmovie.com and IMDB.com says it is.

when the challenge started it pretty much rained on the daily here then its been beautiful for the past ten days making it hard to hang out inside and watch some movies so falling miserably behind in this challenge.

Oh man that sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. I would shit bricks if my DVR died. I've had a few scary moments with the DVR that have required multiple power-downs and reboots, but so far it's been stable for about 3.5 years now. I can say for sure, if I had 8 movies in HD on my DVR, I would be at about 150%. I can't keep anything HD for very long before I run out of space. I've been forced to watch a couple non Sci-Fi movies this month otherwise I would run out of space. I think my 160 GB HD is a little out of date. Too bad I am forced to rent from the cable company.

My suggestion wasn't for increased exposure, it was to make it easier to find for those who are participating, since it was sinking down past the first page due to NOT being bumped. No worries, I updated my DVD Talk bookmark to go straight to my post, and Fist of Doom has been bumping the thread so it's moot now anyway.

I think it's getting clear that IMDB really isn't as reliable a source as we thought. I see nothing wrong with counting the superhero movies. Every one but Batman is listed as SCi Fi, anyway (and it should be, with the futuristic technology he uses.)

Some Batman is listed as sci-fi.

I went with the imdb/allmovie rule just because a standard for what is and isn't sci-fi. While it isn't perfect, it avoids the problems when one person says a movie is sci-fi and another says it isn't which happened in the horror challenge.

I just came here to post that I'm glad people aren't watching the sci-fi channel and instead are watching better stuff.

Attack of the Killer Tomatoes isn't as bad as it was when I was a kid. Back then I rented tons of monster horror movies and got tricked by the cover of this movie. Now I can appreciate the humor and the movie for what it is.

Now it's time for Alien Outlaw.

I agree with having an authority, but some things are so obvious that they should transcend the authority. Sure, Ghost Rider and American Splendor are obviously not Sci Fi, but Hancock is basically a pastiche on Superman and other comic book heroes and should be de facto Sci Fi regardless of IMDB. How Batman (1943) can be SF and Batman (1966) isn't is beyond me. In Horror, there was someone who was trying to get ET the Extraterrestrial listed due to the 5 minute trick-or-treat scene but other than that it seemed more like inquiries rather than disputes.

So, basically, I don't think a film should be excluded solely because IMDB has its head up its posterior. IMDB can be an authority, but if a decent argument can be made then exceptions should be allowed. Heck, if we can count 4 viewings of the same movie and not one of them is the actual soundtrack, then I can't see why we can't be more liberal with our definitions.

The question is, how can Batman the TV series (1966) be sci-fi but Batman The Movie (1966) not be?

As long as nobody has a problem with it, I think we can do it.

Anyone have a problem with including:
Hancock - like Superman which is labeled sci-fi
Batman - half of them are labeled sci-fi already
Fido - zombies that are controlled with special collars

While I agree that Hancock should clearly be sci-fi, opening things up to exceptions is a slippery slope.

Personally, I'd consider <s>almost</s> none of the various Batman incarnations as sci-fi.

I honestly can't believe people are so in favor of watching a movie multiple times with guys talking over the movie instead of its real soundtrack and other DVD extras yet are so protective of the titles other people are watching. There's something not quite right here. Yeah, if someone is trying to shoehorn in Ghost World just because it's a comic book, sure. We're talking movies that have enough of a SF element that a reasonable argument can be made. Horror relates to the tone of a film. Sci Fi is actually more expansive and not necessarily the focus of the film.

So...are we changing the rules now to what SHOULD be labled sci-fi?
I dont really care myself since I plan on watching Batman Begins and The Dark Knight this week but I really would not put them in Sci-fi category. I can see the tv series being labled as sci-fi but not the Burton or Nolan Batman films. Same with Hancock. If "The Specials" isnt labled as Sci-fi "Hancock" should not be labled sci-fi.

I thought the same thing when I watched this last night - the humour is sooo goofy, it has a certain charm

I fail to see how slightly expanding the range of actual films when the authority sites are incorrect hurts the challenge or those participating in it.

I'm not sure who you're replying to, but I think I was the only one with a comment slightly against more inconclusiveness.

I agree that IMDB is not perfect, but I was just pointing out that not having set rules leads to possible strife.

Also, to comment once again on your italicized text, I agree with you, but remember that this is not a sci-fi film challenge. It is a sci-fi content challenge judging by the rules.

I think it'll be easier for all of us if we just stay with the imdb and allmovie rule.

If anyone has any problems with genre listings at either site, they can start an online petition against the site.

Yeah, we have to stay with imdb. But I do always enjoy online discussions of what counts as Sci-Fi. It almost always boils down to people claiming that only good movies qualify.

Heads up. MST3K the Movie is on HBO-HD tomorrow and Friday.

and of course I had to go up and cancel HBO cause it's gotten too damn expensive - shit!

also how are we defining 'documentary' film again - in the sci-fi subgenre list, can I apply say 'Apollo 13' since it's neither a fictional or really "sci-fi"