LOL @ OOPs!!

Plenty of copies still available.

I wouldn't be messing with kintnerboy when it comes to OOP dvd's.

the boy's got skills.

It bothers me not. Anything ESSENTIAL for the library will usually be snapped up on day 1. Waiting to buy always causes problems for me....and a title going OOP is only one of those problems.

There is no valid excuse for the content of a DVD to go OOP - special extras like film cells, fancy packaging, etc perhaps. We live in an age of just-in-time manufacturing of items as complex as computer CPUs and airplane parts. Stamping out another 5K DVDs and doing the print-run for the inserts is *easily* within the capabilities of dvd production houses world-wide. It's how the high-quality bootleggers do it, it sure as hell ought to be within the abilities of the legit rights-holders.

I guess you don't realize that many DVD labels only license films for a certain period of time, usually 5-7 years and sometimes less. Then the rights revert back to the producers or rights-owner. Thus, the original DVD goes OOP and then it's up to the rights-owner to re-license the film if they want to. Most major studios own most of their films outright, true, but putting certain titles on moratorium has been the way of the business since the early VHS days. Get it while you can.

That might hold for some DVDs in general, but we're talking about releases here where a non-SE DVD of the film in question is in print from the distributor, films like Oldboy, United 93, and Jarhead. Plus, the OP wasn't complaining about DVDs going OOP in general, but going OOP in a matter of months, weeks, or sometimes seemingly instantaneously, a far shorter timespan than the 5-7 years you're talking about.

And it might make business sense to some distributors to take a film out of circulation for a while, but that's not the case here, since the non-SE DVDs of these films are still in print and plentiful. They only take the more expensive SE off the market.

The thing is, while it may be easy for them to do the actual disc pressing, it might not be so easy to sell those extra 5,000 DVDs they just pressed. Oldboy may be a popular title on this forum, but to the general public, the initial pressing may be the exact quantity that the distributor figured the market could reasonably bear.

Now, occasionally the distributor may be off on those market projections. In that case, a reprint may be necessary. See Anchor Bay and their multiple "Limited Edition" releases of the Director's Cut of Army of Darkness before eventually releasing it in some "non-limited" editions that are now, ironically, OOP.

It could also be that the distributors don't see the value in keeping the SE in print. While we can causually talk about 5,000 more DVDs being no big deal, it's not our money we're talking about. Those DVDs cost money to print, package, and store until they get "sold" to a retail outlet. Then they have to be shipped and fight for ever decreasing shelf space. After that, they may end up being "unsold" and shipped back to the distributor, who has to receive them and store them again until some other retailer wants some additional stock. Given that consumers figure that the prices of a DVD are going to go down the longer it's been out, they face smaller and smaller returns on larger and larger costs on perpetual stock. In some of these cases, it might make more sense to just sell out and let it be, especially since a lower cost version is still on the market.

The speed at which some of these SEs are going OOP is surprising though. It seems like some of the releases like Jarhead may have been SEs that were planned before box-office disappointment, and the SEs were released as either a token gesture to the film or because they felt obligated to at least get some return on it. If the distributor knows that a release is going to truly be very limited though, they should use the "LE" label.

I don't get terribly upset about OOP DVDs, if I really want it I usually pick it up on release day or soon thereafter.

What urks me is when I see an OOP title and decide not to buy it right then and there for various reasons. I had Jarhead: SE in my hands and put it back thinking I'd find it for a better price somewhere else - to this day that's the ONLY one I've ever seen! Of course in cases like that I have no one to blame but myself.

On an unrelated note: how could the username "boba Fett" not have been taken until now?!

I had been putting off getting 1900, but when I heard the news of it going OOP so soon, I figured I better get it while I can. Only three months out? Sheesh, is that some kind of record? I called EVERYWHERE trying to find a copy. Most places never even stocked it at all. After about an hour or so, I finally found one at a Circuit City a few cities over, but I do hear what the OP is saying. Leave the discs on the market for a little while. Three months is a really small window. 1900 was hard to find period, but now that it's OOP? Forget it. To boot, I live in a major metro area (Bay area). I have a feeling that if this movie sees the light of day again officially, it won't be in it's current uncut form. Hmmmm

According to the OOP Thread this title's status has changed:

mcarver
03-10-07 #571
"While gathering information for the next udpate, I found that 1900 has been removed from the Out-of-Print status."

I placed an order for it through Deep Discount which currently expects to restock and ship in mid March.

The only type of OOPs that annoy me are the Disney ones, especially the direct-to-DVD cheapquels like Bambi II.

Perhaps it is being released again in a "cut" version. That wouldn't surprise me one bit as the average consumer wouldn't know the difference.

Yep, I think he is the only one.

Aww, did Animatedude miss his nappy time today?

Stay calm, I've got the WAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE on the phone.

Can mcarver (or anyone else) confirm this either way? I ask because www.rareoopdvds.com still listing it as OOP right there on their front page.

It has now been updated. Supposedly "1900" is NOT going OOP. It appears the UPC was somehow mixed-up with the UPC for "Heat" which IS going OOP. Thank god nudity and a three-way hand-job are still as American as apple pie...

http://www.rareoopdvds.com/forum/vie...45ef6d722f8bb8

Hand jobs and apple pie... mmm mmm good!

you really got it all wrong.

1900 was listed as OOP by Paramount, but then a week later it was back in print.

Heat 2 disc limited edition on the other hand is OOP, but there is another Heat DVD with a different UPC that has the 2 disc and it still in print.

Ditto. Disney take their own films OOP without any explanation and then complain about the all the bootlegs and piracy and all that shit. Disney, these is simple business of supply and demand. If you supply your DVDs for each generation of children whose parents want them to see all the Disney classics and not so classics, then you could make a huge profit and a lot of people would not pay attention to the bootlegs available around the world.

I smell an American Pie spin-off coming.

probably the luckiest purchase i ever had was back when i first started buying dvds back in 1997 and 1998 when i was at suncoast motion picture the day that little shop of horrors was released, i picked it up for 29.99 then found out 3 days latter it was recalled cause frank oz was mad about it being released with the alternate ending.

i still have that dvd today and is one of the centerpieces of my collection cause of how rare it is, while i can see people being upset by things like the munich and jar head releases. i dont let it upset me to much, i actually love it part of the fun for me in getting some titles is the hunt for them. the only time i get upset is when for some reason i dont have tuesday off work and a i miss a title cause i was stuck working.

That is a BUSINESS issue, not a logistical or technical issue. Business issues are completely artificial - the equivalent of Disney "vaulting" a movie. The only difference is that while Disney purposely abuses their monopoly position, other companies do it through a combination of incompetence and apathy.


Don't focus on the size of the run. Yes, the costs per unit do go up the smaller the run, but only by a limited amount. A 100 unit run is probably in the neighborhood of 2x the cost per unit of the 5K run, inclusive of all incidentals like shipping, storage, etc. It is certainly reasonable for low-volume titles to have pricing that reflects the higher logistics costs. For example, "The Last Days of Disco" at ~$20 would not be out of line despite the wal-mart bin pricing of movies from the same era for $4. But $84 (lowest price at Amazon, currently not even listed on Ebay) is far beyond reasonable.

You realize the HD DVD is the same thing, right?

Disney advertising: Hurry up! It's your last chance to buy *insert Disney classic here* before it goes into the vault and is GONE FOREVER! And if you don't buy, your children will NEVER GET TO ENJOY our movies and you're HORRIBLE PARENTS!