Actually, I'm not sure Raimi had a lot to do with it -- he seemed happy with the theatrical cut. It's really more of a "Studio's Cut", and I think Raimi actually even described it that way once.

When did Superman hit Lex Luthor with all his power? Which movie was that? I don't remember it.

--THX

I think it was a theoretical point.

Ah. Right, right. Understood now.

--THX

I agree. I like the movie as well, but theres much that is dumb in it. Parker will be Spidey to deliver pizza (granted he needs the job) but he wont use his powers to get into Mary Janes play? Even after going so far as stealing the bad guys car to get there? But an USHER stops him dead in his tracks? WAIT, that Usher WAS "ASH" after all! LOL!

Nobody beats Ash.

IMHO the problem with Raimi is that he has an idea that he likes and then puts it into the movie without thinking about the logic. And the first movie was so successful that nobody at the studio stops him.

The conversations during the making of the movie probably went something like this:

"Wouldn't it be cool if Doc Ock threw a car at Peter?"
"Yes, but he doesn't know Peter is Spider-Man."
"Okay, but it'll look COOL."

"Wouldn't it be funny if the only one who can stop Spider-Man is Bruce Campbell?"
"Yes, but he could just use his powers to get into the theatre."
"Okay, but it would be FUNNY."

"Wouldn't it be great if Spidey and Ock had an all-out fistfight?"
"Yes, but it doesn't make any sense - Spider-Man can lift 10 tons and is 10 times faster than any human."
"Okay, but it'll look GREAT."

"Wouldn't it be tragic if Aunt May lost her house?"
"Why would she lose the house?"
"Okay, but it'll be TRAGIC."



Back to the topic of the thread - if the report from the IMDB board is correct then the EE looks about as useless as the EE of the first Narnia movie. Not really an extended version but more likely the penultimate cut of the movie - the one before all the stuff that needed to be cut was cut.

Finally someone uses the word "penultimate" correctly. Four marks!

I think your point has some merit, but I would assume that a lot of things in the comics are just as preposterous. For example, I'd be really shocked if there wasn't some fistfight between a really super character and an average human, whether it would be Spidey and Doc Ock, or whoever. It's called suspension of disbelief, folks.

That's how much of a wuss Peter Parker was to start; even bitten by a radioactive spider, he can barely old his own against an aging scientist.

He's getting Spider-Man's attention by attacking his known associate. If he kills him, he can still find Spider-Man by waiting around the scene.

Where have the movies established his super-strength? This sounds like a comic book nitpick to me.

I don't understand what powers he's going to use, unless you're suggesting he break the doors down, which would create something of a spectacle.

Do you think Bruce Campbell will let him open the door if he's walking on the ceiling? I'm confused by this one.

Because Peter is only trying to score points with MJ by going, and she's going to know he wasn't there. Obviously you've never dated an actress.

I'll buy that, it sounds like the sort of goofy comic book thing Raimi would do. I don't remember it, and it seems nitpicky, but I'll give it to you.

That's a pretty random thing to claim as a "plot hole"; that sounds No-Prize worthy if we can just come up with an explanation, like for instance maybe she owed a bunch on taxes, took out another mortgage to put her nephew through college, or that they just weren't fiscally responsible. How much of a story do you expect them to give to Aunt "Mary" in a movie anyway?

Eh. Spider-Man can web-sling all around the city pretty quick, but I'm glad we didn't have to watch an extended sequence where he slings all around the coast of the city looking for Ock's lair... sounds pretty boring to me. He's not Batman, so I'm not as interested in him being a detective.

webbing alone wouldn't be enough to stop a train in the second movie

What leads you to believe the house is a dump? Looks well maintained to me. Only dump I observe is the apartment where Peter lives.

After Harry unmasks Peter, Peter advances on him and demands to know where Dr. Octavius has taken Mary Jane. Now, however Harry is privy to that information, I don't know, but I gather from that scene that he tells Peter where he can find them.

--THX

After watching the Spider-Man 2 DVD again, I notice that the CGI looks much more solid there than it did during the FX broadcast. I don't know what the difference is, but it looked cartoonish on TV. So much that it actually stood out. Looks great on the DVD.

Still not sure if I'm going to bother with the extended cut DVD in April. But, sure, when it's finally announced, and the big day comes, I will probably cave and be at Best Buy to pick up my copy. Can't live without those few extra seconds of footage, you know? Not to mention the new bonus material that we all know is going to be on there. Besides, I do love this movie.

--THX

U mean like that great 3rd DVD that they resold part 1 with...

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I don't see how Peter forcing his way into MJ's show would work either. What's he going to do, slug Bruce Campbell and cause a ruckus? Yeah, MJ would appreciate that. Or what, sneak around inside the theater without anyone noticing and drop into his seat?

It was obvious that Aunt Mary had a serious problem. Did you see all those knick knacks in the house? Those things cost a lot of money. And she had a fetish for expensive Dutch doilies. Hubba hubba!

two people in this thread have called Aunt May, Aunt Mary.

I assume this is typo.

Why does Doc Ock throw a car at Peter Parker if he needs him to find Spider-Man?
He missed, didn't he?

Why doesn't Spider-Man kill Doc Ock with a single punch while they are fighting? Doc Ock has no superpowers, just the arms.
Spidey pulled his punch.

Spider-Man hits him in the face and doesn't even manage to break his glasses - you know, the ones that Aunt Mary manages to break with one hit with her umbrella.
Spidey didn't hit the guy in the glasses.

Why doesn't Peter Parker use his powers to get into the theater after the usher turns him away?
He's a doofus.

Why doesn't he get in during the intermission?
I was wondering the same thing. He sat across the street for the rest of the play? Maybe no intermission.

Why is Doc Ock the only one wearing protective goggles during the experiment?
There was a sale at "House of Protective Goggles" and they ran out.

If the nuclear fusion reactor is "hotter than a sun", then why is there no steam when it enters the water?
Anyone with an advanced degree in nuclear fusion knows the obvious answer to that.

How does Aunt Mary lose the house? Uncle Ben was an electrician all his life and the house is a dump. It should have been paid off long ago - did she spend the money on drugs?
Yes. Aunt May blew it all on drugs. No medicare, no medicaid. This is obviously a social commentary on the sorry state of affairs for the elderly who are not wealthy.

How does Spider-Man find Doc Ock's lair?
GPS? Spider sense fine tuned to MJ? The New York Guide to Mad Scientist Lairs?

In essence, once you buy the premise that a radioactive spider bite can give someone the power to climb walls and spin webs, everything else is up for grabs.
J

I'll pass. Movie is fine and a tad long in it's current form as is.

I'm going to pass on this too.

And it was set up in the first film that Ben & May were having financial problems. Losing the house was not anything out of left field.

Off topic but to address the FX airing widescreen films. I think they actually aired Boogie Nights completely unedited and in widescreen if I remember correctly. For the profanity and nudity they just placed black bars and drop outs in the sound.

nice use of irony...........i hope...!!!

Yeah, with Doc Ock and the car throwing, I just kinda think of Fezzik throwing the rock at Wesley in Princess Bride. "I did that on purpose, I don't have to miss." Granted, Peter used his Spidey sense to barely escape getting decapitated, but hey, little details...

Seriously guys...are we defending and nitpicking logic in a thread about a movie based on a COMIC BOOK?

I'd say a guy getting super powers after being bit by a spider is a little...unrealistic.

= J

How can you be a big Spidey fan and not read the comics? Seems contradictory to me.