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Old 12-11-06 | 03:34 PM
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I can't imagine the Les and the wig scene with anything else but "Hot Blooded".
Old 12-11-06 | 04:06 PM
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Seriously, Congress has got to intervene here and stop the extortion of licensing fees that record companies are laying down for these dvd's sets. In the meantime, Fox should either pay up or shelve the project for now. Releasing an altered product for Joe Blow is useless. And continuing to release box sets that state they are complete when they clearly are not without stating so on the outside of the packaging is fraud.

I have all 90 episodes of 'KRP with the original music intact from their first syndicated airings on a local channel (yes, with a minute or two missing from each show) but the music is vast and hugely important to this series and cannot be changed one bit. Everything from the Tiny Dancer lyrics to Pink Floyd's Dogs to the $5000.00 contest with song snippets.

I won't be buying any altered WKRP from Fox.
Old 12-11-06 | 04:08 PM
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cracksky is quite cranky
Old 12-11-06 | 04:13 PM
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I swear ... If they ruin that scene with Bailey, me & that unforgetable Air Supply song ...

Sorry ... i was daydreaming.

The bottom line is this ... it sucks that they're replacing music, but ultimately, its either no WKRP at all or WKRP with music subs ... and I'll take the music subs over nothing.
Old 12-11-06 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cracksky
I have all 90 episodes of 'KRP with the original music intact from their first syndicated airings on a local channel (yes, with a minute or two missing from each show) but the music is vast and hugely important to this series and cannot be changed one bit.
I don't want to tell anyone what to buy or not to buy -- and in some ways, we really won't know what's going on here until we find out which songs are intact and which are not -- but I don't really see why syndication cuts are better than music changes. The syndicated version of the "Daydreams" episode (season 3), for example, chops out Bailey's entire daydream, making a hash of the episode. Is that really better than altered music?

Also, those syndication versions do contain at least some altered music anyway. In the second episode, Johnny plays three songs, but two of them were changed in all syndication versions (the only one left was "That Old Time Rock N' Roll," which is the only one that is "essential" to that scene). We'll see which songs get left in this time around, I guess.
Old 12-11-06 | 04:36 PM
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Never particularly cared for this show, but even if I did, I wouldn't bother with this. As we all know, the music is going to be replaced, thus corrupting the original feel and intent of the show. What a sad practice. And what a waste of a concept that once held such promise. Here we go-- I find myself wanting to slip into the standard rant about this crap. Let it go. Let it go.

--THX
Old 12-11-06 | 06:04 PM
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I absolutely love WKRP! It is close to my favorite TV show of all time. I had promised myself if the original music was cut, no sale. I admit now I am leaning strongly towards buying it even without the original music. My only hope is that they understand certain episodes make no sense without certain songs and find a way to license those. As long as they do that I can live with, although will not like, generic music at other spots.

I am smiling just thinking about some of the episodes.....
Old 12-11-06 | 06:16 PM
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I am smiling just thinking about some of the episodes.....
The Thanksgiving Turkey Giveaway was my favorite. Dont want to be eating or drinking anything during that or it comes out the nose. I may buy it at some point if its real cheap.

Old 12-11-06 | 06:29 PM
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Old 12-11-06 | 07:03 PM
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Be interesting to see what they replace Foreigner's "Urgent" with when Johnny is out at the transmitter with the bomb about to go off.
Old 12-11-06 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaime_Weinman
Also, those syndication versions do contain at least some altered music anyway. In the second episode, Johnny plays three songs, but two of them were changed in all syndication versions (the only one left was "That Old Time Rock N' Roll," which is the only one that is "essential" to that scene). We'll see which songs get left in this time around, I guess.
I just watched the first two episodes again and here's the music from them:

Pilot (1)
You're Having My Baby :27
Fever Unknown #1 [Format Change] :07
Venus Unknown #1 [Credits] :15

Pilot (2)
Classical Unknown [through radio] :18
Fever Unknown #1 :07
Fever #2 [Old Time Rock 'n' Roll] :23

In these cases, the Baby, Format and RnR tracks are essential. The Venus music is incidental. The classical piece could be anything and the other Fever intro coming out of the break is not much. I don't know what the third Fever track could be.

As long as they spend money and know what is essential to each episode these sets might work.
Old 12-11-06 | 08:26 PM
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tv.com seems to have some info on music replacement in this series. I have no idea of the information source or if it is accurate.

From tv.com:
Music Changes: A Ted Nugent song (the very first rock song Johnny Fever played on
WKRP) is replaced with generic music. (Interestingly, though, the
Nugent song is intact when this scene is repeated in two other
episodes--"Mama's Review" and "The Creation of Venus." Which proves
nothing except that the process of licensing music for this package
seems to have been pretty haphazard.) At least that's Howard
Hesseman's real voice saying "booger." In the tag, the song Venus plays, "Dance Dance Dance" by Chic, has been replaced.
http://www.tv.com/wkrp-in-cincinnati...p_list;title;0

Just throwing it out there as a possible source of info.
Old 12-11-06 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cracksky
I just watched the first two episodes again and here's the music from them:

Pilot (1)
You're Having My Baby :27
Fever Unknown #1 [Format Change] :07
Venus Unknown #1 [Credits] :15

Pilot (2)
Classical Unknown [through radio] :18
Fever Unknown #1 :07
Fever #2 [Old Time Rock 'n' Roll] :23

In these cases, the Baby, Format and RnR tracks are essential. The Venus music is incidental. The classical piece could be anything and the other Fever intro coming out of the break is not much. I don't know what the third Fever track could be.

As long as they spend money and know what is essential to each episode these sets might work.
There is a website that lists all the original songs and what they were replaced with for syndication. I think there may be a link to it in one of the older WKRP threads. I remember that the very first song Fever plays in the very first episode is "Queen of the Forest" by Ted Nugent but was replaced for syndication. The list of replacements was pretty long. Supertramp's "Long Way Home"is one, Foreigner's "Hot Blooded" and Star Wars theme are others. Also one episode had the trumpet call from "Patton" as a running joke throughout the episode when originally aired but was replaced with a different trumpet sound for syndication.
Old 12-11-06 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rw2516
There is a website that lists all the original songs and what they were replaced with for syndication. I think there may be a link to it in one of the older WKRP threads.
It's listed in THIS thread along with posts from the author.
Old 12-11-06 | 10:18 PM
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I'll buy it even if the music is changed. I love this show, and I've been waiting for it forever. What will piss me off is if they release season one and never put out any other seasons.
Old 12-11-06 | 10:42 PM
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i hate replaced music but when i used to watch this show in reruns, it also had some replaced music and i loved the show. it wasnt until years later i found out that they actually did play real songs when it originally aired.

so i will be buying this.
Old 12-11-06 | 11:27 PM
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They've got to keep "Queen of the Forest," by Nugent as the format switch song! It was a perfect fit for the scene.

Remember all the rights issues with Heavy Metal? They kept that movie from home video release for over a decade! Eventually that was all worked out. Hopefully they will be able to work out new deals that will keep most of the original music intact.

I'll wait to see just how much has been changed before I buy the set - but if most of it is intact than I'm all over the mighty KRP!!

(And, I, too, thought turkeys could fly! )
Old 12-12-06 | 01:55 AM
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I read somewhere that due to prohibitive licensing fees for WKRP on DVD, Fox has actually used voiceover technology to change the cast's references to The Who fans getting trampled to death in Cincinnati. On DVD they will refer to a number of old women fainting at an Engelbert Humperdinck concert in Milwaukee.
Old 12-12-06 | 01:55 AM
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Ha! Just kidding!! How many of you sh&t your pants over that one!?!
Old 12-12-06 | 02:04 AM
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I haven't seen this show in years, but loved it growing up. I wish TV Land would run it. I'm considering picking this up on DVD.
Old 12-12-06 | 06:42 AM
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i hate replaced music but when i used to watch this show in reruns, it also had some replaced music and i loved the show.
I saw a site that discussed replaced music when it aired on Nick@Nite back in the late 90's. An email from Nick stated that some songs weren't even available anymore.
Old 12-12-06 | 08:41 AM
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i hate replaced music but when i used to watch this show in reruns, it also had some replaced music and i loved the show. it wasnt until years later i found out that they actually did play real songs when it originally aired.

so i will be buying this.

Hell, I didn't know that the syndicated run used different music than the original until this thread. I was 11 when WKRP ended on CBS, so I am far more familiar with the syndicated run.
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Old 12-13-06 | 07:16 AM
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I cannot understand this whole music-rights dispute thing!! It's understandable that each party wants its "piece of the pie", so to speak, but one would hope that greed would not prevent a 'fair-use' resolution from occurring. The owners of the music rights do deserve some compensation, but they also need to be realistic. It seems to me that having the music out there, especially older catalogue titles from now-defunct bands, amounts to advertising for their products. And it's not as if the songs are played in their entirety...mostly snippets and 'bumpers'. I find it amusing that music companies used to engage in payola to radio stations in order to get their music on the air and now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. I don't know who is at fault here...are the DVD producers being too cheap to offer fair compensation or are the music rights holders being too greedy in their demands? Either way, it seems that everyone suffers...the TV producers, the music owners, and (most of all) the audience.
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I'm a big fan of the show, watched it when it originally aired.

One question to those who are experts on the show ... do they even have audio tracks that have the music separated out? Didn't some of the music replacement on the syndicated versions involve having to re-dub the actors because the music was on the same single audio track as the actor's voices? I can live with replacing music that's non-essential to jokes, story lines, etc., but if they have to do re-dubbing that will just kill those episodes IMO.

Favorite bit ever: Johnny Fever and Carlson listen to Pink Floyd.

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