WKRP In Cincinnati is finally coming to DVD!!!!!
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Seriously, Congress has got to intervene here and stop the extortion of licensing fees that record companies are laying down for these dvd's sets. In the meantime, Fox should either pay up or shelve the project for now. Releasing an altered product for Joe Blow is useless. And continuing to release box sets that state they are complete when they clearly are not without stating so on the outside of the packaging is fraud.
I have all 90 episodes of 'KRP with the original music intact from their first syndicated airings on a local channel (yes, with a minute or two missing from each show) but the music is vast and hugely important to this series and cannot be changed one bit. Everything from the Tiny Dancer lyrics to Pink Floyd's Dogs to the $5000.00 contest with song snippets.
I won't be buying any altered WKRP from Fox.
I have all 90 episodes of 'KRP with the original music intact from their first syndicated airings on a local channel (yes, with a minute or two missing from each show) but the music is vast and hugely important to this series and cannot be changed one bit. Everything from the Tiny Dancer lyrics to Pink Floyd's Dogs to the $5000.00 contest with song snippets.
I won't be buying any altered WKRP from Fox.
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I swear ... If they ruin that scene with Bailey, me & that unforgetable Air Supply song ...
Sorry ... i was daydreaming.
The bottom line is this ... it sucks that they're replacing music, but ultimately, its either no WKRP at all or WKRP with music subs ... and I'll take the music subs over nothing.
Sorry ... i was daydreaming.
The bottom line is this ... it sucks that they're replacing music, but ultimately, its either no WKRP at all or WKRP with music subs ... and I'll take the music subs over nothing.
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Originally Posted by cracksky
I have all 90 episodes of 'KRP with the original music intact from their first syndicated airings on a local channel (yes, with a minute or two missing from each show) but the music is vast and hugely important to this series and cannot be changed one bit.
Also, those syndication versions do contain at least some altered music anyway. In the second episode, Johnny plays three songs, but two of them were changed in all syndication versions (the only one left was "That Old Time Rock N' Roll," which is the only one that is "essential" to that scene). We'll see which songs get left in this time around, I guess.
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Never particularly cared for this show, but even if I did, I wouldn't bother with this. As we all know, the music is going to be replaced, thus corrupting the original feel and intent of the show. What a sad practice. And what a waste of a concept that once held such promise. Here we go-- I find myself wanting to slip into the standard rant about this crap. Let it go. Let it go.
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I absolutely love WKRP! It is close to my favorite TV show of all time. I had promised myself if the original music was cut, no sale. I admit now I am leaning strongly towards buying it even without the original music. My only hope is that they understand certain episodes make no sense without certain songs and find a way to license those. As long as they do that I can live with, although will not like, generic music at other spots.
I am smiling just thinking about some of the episodes.....
I am smiling just thinking about some of the episodes.....
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I am smiling just thinking about some of the episodes.....
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Originally Posted by Jaime_Weinman
Also, those syndication versions do contain at least some altered music anyway. In the second episode, Johnny plays three songs, but two of them were changed in all syndication versions (the only one left was "That Old Time Rock N' Roll," which is the only one that is "essential" to that scene). We'll see which songs get left in this time around, I guess.
Pilot (1)
You're Having My Baby :27
Fever Unknown #1 [Format Change] :07
Venus Unknown #1 [Credits] :15
Pilot (2)
Classical Unknown [through radio] :18
Fever Unknown #1 :07
Fever #2 [Old Time Rock 'n' Roll] :23
In these cases, the Baby, Format and RnR tracks are essential. The Venus music is incidental. The classical piece could be anything and the other Fever intro coming out of the break is not much. I don't know what the third Fever track could be.
As long as they spend money and know what is essential to each episode these sets might work.
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tv.com seems to have some info on music replacement in this series. I have no idea of the information source or if it is accurate.
From tv.com:
http://www.tv.com/wkrp-in-cincinnati...p_list;title;0
Just throwing it out there as a possible source of info.
From tv.com:
Music Changes: A Ted Nugent song (the very first rock song Johnny Fever played on
WKRP) is replaced with generic music. (Interestingly, though, the
Nugent song is intact when this scene is repeated in two other
episodes--"Mama's Review" and "The Creation of Venus." Which proves
nothing except that the process of licensing music for this package
seems to have been pretty haphazard.) At least that's Howard
Hesseman's real voice saying "booger." In the tag, the song Venus plays, "Dance Dance Dance" by Chic, has been replaced.
WKRP) is replaced with generic music. (Interestingly, though, the
Nugent song is intact when this scene is repeated in two other
episodes--"Mama's Review" and "The Creation of Venus." Which proves
nothing except that the process of licensing music for this package
seems to have been pretty haphazard.) At least that's Howard
Hesseman's real voice saying "booger." In the tag, the song Venus plays, "Dance Dance Dance" by Chic, has been replaced.
Just throwing it out there as a possible source of info.
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I just watched the first two episodes again and here's the music from them:
Pilot (1)
You're Having My Baby :27
Fever Unknown #1 [Format Change] :07
Venus Unknown #1 [Credits] :15
Pilot (2)
Classical Unknown [through radio] :18
Fever Unknown #1 :07
Fever #2 [Old Time Rock 'n' Roll] :23
In these cases, the Baby, Format and RnR tracks are essential. The Venus music is incidental. The classical piece could be anything and the other Fever intro coming out of the break is not much. I don't know what the third Fever track could be.
As long as they spend money and know what is essential to each episode these sets might work.
Pilot (1)
You're Having My Baby :27
Fever Unknown #1 [Format Change] :07
Venus Unknown #1 [Credits] :15
Pilot (2)
Classical Unknown [through radio] :18
Fever Unknown #1 :07
Fever #2 [Old Time Rock 'n' Roll] :23
In these cases, the Baby, Format and RnR tracks are essential. The Venus music is incidental. The classical piece could be anything and the other Fever intro coming out of the break is not much. I don't know what the third Fever track could be.
As long as they spend money and know what is essential to each episode these sets might work.
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Originally Posted by rw2516
There is a website that lists all the original songs and what they were replaced with for syndication. I think there may be a link to it in one of the older WKRP threads.
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I'll buy it even if the music is changed. I love this show, and I've been waiting for it forever. What will piss me off is if they release season one and never put out any other seasons.
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i hate replaced music but when i used to watch this show in reruns, it also had some replaced music and i loved the show. it wasnt until years later i found out that they actually did play real songs when it originally aired.
so i will be buying this.
so i will be buying this.
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They've got to keep "Queen of the Forest," by Nugent as the format switch song! It was a perfect fit for the scene.
Remember all the rights issues with Heavy Metal? They kept that movie from home video release for over a decade! Eventually that was all worked out. Hopefully they will be able to work out new deals that will keep most of the original music intact.
I'll wait to see just how much has been changed before I buy the set - but if most of it is intact than I'm all over the mighty KRP!!
(And, I, too, thought turkeys could fly!
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Remember all the rights issues with Heavy Metal? They kept that movie from home video release for over a decade! Eventually that was all worked out. Hopefully they will be able to work out new deals that will keep most of the original music intact.
I'll wait to see just how much has been changed before I buy the set - but if most of it is intact than I'm all over the mighty KRP!!
(And, I, too, thought turkeys could fly!
)
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I read somewhere that due to prohibitive licensing fees for WKRP on DVD, Fox has actually used voiceover technology to change the cast's references to The Who fans getting trampled to death in Cincinnati. On DVD they will refer to a number of old women fainting at an Engelbert Humperdinck concert in Milwaukee.
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Originally Posted by scarredgod
i hate replaced music but when i used to watch this show in reruns, it also had some replaced music and i loved the show.
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Originally Posted by scarredgod
i hate replaced music but when i used to watch this show in reruns, it also had some replaced music and i loved the show. it wasnt until years later i found out that they actually did play real songs when it originally aired.
so i will be buying this.
so i will be buying this.
Hell, I didn't know that the syndicated run used different music than the original until this thread. I was 11 when WKRP ended on CBS, so I am far more familiar with the syndicated run.
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I cannot understand this whole music-rights dispute thing!! It's understandable that each party wants its "piece of the pie", so to speak, but one would hope that greed would not prevent a 'fair-use' resolution from occurring. The owners of the music rights do deserve some compensation, but they also need to be realistic. It seems to me that having the music out there, especially older catalogue titles from now-defunct bands, amounts to advertising for their products. And it's not as if the songs are played in their entirety...mostly snippets and 'bumpers'. I find it amusing that music companies used to engage in payola to radio stations in order to get their music on the air and now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. I don't know who is at fault here...are the DVD producers being too cheap to offer fair compensation or are the music rights holders being too greedy in their demands? Either way, it seems that everyone suffers...the TV producers, the music owners, and (most of all) the audience.
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I'm a big fan of the show, watched it when it originally aired.
One question to those who are experts on the show ... do they even have audio tracks that have the music separated out? Didn't some of the music replacement on the syndicated versions involve having to re-dub the actors because the music was on the same single audio track as the actor's voices? I can live with replacing music that's non-essential to jokes, story lines, etc., but if they have to do re-dubbing that will just kill those episodes IMO.
Favorite bit ever: Johnny Fever and Carlson listen to Pink Floyd.
One question to those who are experts on the show ... do they even have audio tracks that have the music separated out? Didn't some of the music replacement on the syndicated versions involve having to re-dub the actors because the music was on the same single audio track as the actor's voices? I can live with replacing music that's non-essential to jokes, story lines, etc., but if they have to do re-dubbing that will just kill those episodes IMO.
Favorite bit ever: Johnny Fever and Carlson listen to Pink Floyd.
Last edited by obscurelabel; 12-13-06 at 12:07 PM.



