My fool screen and thx comments were edited out of the review on amazon. Huh?!

Just wanted to post this, from IMDB News:

While it's nice that there's some press about the problems, they got the problems wrong. First is the fact that they say the DVDs will be copied from the laserdiscs. That sounds to me like they are implying that they will literally get the transfer from a laserdisc, and not the source of the laserdisc. Then, there's mention of it being formatted for TV and not "letterbox." That's obviously not the case, as it will be letterboxed and that's the problem, it won't be anamorphic.

I keep asking, can anyone name a director, or for Lucas's sake only directing one movie in the OT, who has been such a prick to a certain part of his fanbase?

Did Tarantino try to stop putting out a great DVD of Jackie Brown cause nobody saw that in the theaters in 1997?

Did Spielberg try to stop putting out a great DVD of A.I cause nobody saw that in the theaters in 2001?

Did Scorcese try to stop putting out a great DVD of Bringing out the Dead cause nobody saw that in the theaters in 1999?

Lucas is petty, cause he faced harsh criticisms from his fans over the Prequels and SE for the first time in his career, so this is his way of sticking it to all of us for not loving his last 3 movies, when most of the fans top 3 movies of all-time are the SW OT movies. Most directors would kill to have one of their movies as a persons favorite, Lucas has three on my list. But that isn't good enough for him, I have to love every movie he does, even though I guarantee the younger PT fans have never watched another great movie he directed called American Grafitti

And this vision crap I keep hearing is baloney. He owns the rights to SW, but the last time I checked, Kershner & Marquand directed ESB & ROTJ, so part of those movies are their vision too. And by the way Marquand died in 1987, and creepy Lucas is tinkering with a dead man's movie, who has no say in what his vision is six feet under.

Lucas can do what he wants with the PT, cause he did everything on that trilogy, but I am getting sick hearing that the OT was all his vision, when he was the only one in 1978 who didn't win any of the 7 academy awards that night for the Original Star Wars.

Yeah, that notion just seems bizarre to me. I have no toys, no books, just six comics stashed away somewhere that I bought as a kid, and a hand me down LP of the Star Wars soundtrack. I thought the movies were great as a teenager, and I still enjoy them from time to time as an adult. I don't love, love, love them - i just like them, and I like the memories I have of seeing them new. I even enjoyed the '97 SE release - I thought it was a lot of fun to see updated versions of the films, but I never in a million years thought that meant getting rid of the old ones. In an either or situation I will always choose the originals, and that is the version I would watch most often if I had the DVD.

As someone who loves movies, and someone who cares about history, I think what George is doing is a travesty. Thank god for film archives!

Please! Star Wars is Lucas' vision whether you like it or not. He created the concept of Star Wars. He created the characters. He wrote the stories to all three films. He executive produced all three films. He wrote drafts two and three of the ESB script, which is where that film's basic screenplay was created before Kasdan polished it off. He directed a lot of ROTJ because of disagreements with Marquand and for various other reasons. He owns all three films. You can give credit to other people who worked on the films. Star Wars is still Lucas' vision. I know that pains a lot of disgruntled Star Wars fans, but it's the truth. Kershner was hired to direct Lucas' story, Lucas' characters, and Lucas' vision. If you asked him, he'd say the same thing. He did a great job. But it was still Lucas' baby.

I'd say it's been a two-way street. Can you name a fanbase that has been a bigger prick to a director than the Star Wars fanbase? I can't. Although I do think your argument is way too simplistic on the reasons for his actions.

Be angry about his actions. But all this other stuff is bunk.

Take one look at this near 50 page thread it's extreme responses, and you'll have your answer.

I'm sorry for you...wanna borrow mine for awhile? Just don't wash out the "essence of Organa" please.

The argument can be made that Lucas had a vision that was limited by the technology available at the time. I'm not trying to further the argument, I'm just throwing it out there.

Argh! And JUST when this debate was coming to a close you had to bring THAT up! (j/k)

So did Orson Welles, DW Griffith, Charlie Chaplin, Victor Fleming, (need I go on?)

There are always limitations, and I think Lucas needs to realize how well they did back then with those limitations.



You know, not counting any grumbling about Ewoks back in 1983, I don't recall there being much of a fan backlash until Lucas fired the first shot, by making Greedo shoot first. I'm pretty sure that's when the discontent really started.


This is fairly interesting point too, everyone keeps making a fuss about this, but if he would just do these right, we'd shut the hell the up. If he'd done them a few years back even, hell we might have even accepted the prequels a little better (I'm ok with them personally), though I admit that's a bit of stretch.


I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I can accept both versions on my DVD shelf. I have both on VHS, and they existed side by side for years, as alternate looks at the same story. ( I only have the originals on LD, but I'd pick up an SE box for the heck of it if I found a good price).

George, if you're reading, I accept both versions! I have the 2004 boxset, and I would dearly love to have high quality versions of the originals to sit beside them. I would watch them both, I promise!

Heck, i'm sure even the Three Stooges were limited back then!

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I imagine they were. They still have a pretty strong following these days, and air several times a week according to my cable box guide.

this thread is amazing. people are amazing. what some people get heated over.

I'm only getting heated over the non-anamorphic treatment that the CLASSIC versions of the OT are getting.

Granted, I'm getting pretty darned heated over it...

Of course he was. That is Lucas' main gripe with the originals. Lucas has never said he has a problem with the storytelling, acting, cinematography, etc. His disappointment has always been over technicaly aspects of the films that didn't quite live up to his vision. That's why practically every change in the films are visual in nature.

I don't think anyone would suggest that Lucas has never made a bad decision, and that fans didn't have a right to be disappointed. But if you collected all the shit thrown Lucas' way over what amounts to nothing more than a series of movies, you'd be amazed at some of the things said. People have wished him dead, compared him to Hitler and Satan, called him every name in the book, assaulted his family, and resorted to numerous other levels of vitriol. I'm not pointing fingers in here. But I've seen it elsewhere in big heaping chunks. Again, over a bunch a movies. Face it. In the grand scheme of things, Star Wars doesn't amount to much, and neither does any film. There are far, far more important things in this world to go batshit over. Perhaps if half as much anger was directed at truly important issues, the world would be a better place.

I think this decision is a mistake on Lucas' part. Fans have a right to be disappointed over it, and voice their concern. Hopefully Lucas' changes his mind. But it's never so simple when to comes to Star Wars or Lucas.

Being a film music nut, I've seen the same hate thrown at of all people, film composers. It's the same thing - I'm not as big a "Star Wars" fan as most here seem to be, but hate is hate, no matter who is on the receiving end of it...all I'm saying is I understand, and I fully agree with what you said.

Georgie on the Three Stooges: “I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them.”

with limitations intact, i'm sure...

Oh please, spare us the dramatics.
Half of the posts of "Lucas is Satan" comes from people making exactly the type of posts you just made (i.e. complaining about complainers)

I challenge you to find posts from people who reguarly post on this issue to show Lucas is Satan quotes.

Again: if you like Star Wars and want a copy of this, then buy it. If not, then don't.

You need to learn some frickin' reading comprehension. I did not point any fingers in this forum. In fact, I specifically stated I wasn't referring to anyone in here.

As for challeging me to find quotes, you must be out of your damn mind if you think I'm going to scan millions of Star Wars posts at forums I frequent and lurk, just to please you. I've seen it, many times. It's a fact. If that's not good enough for you, too damn bad. Get off your own butt and find them. They're plenty of them out there to be found. Although I do remember someone here comparing Lucas to Exxon and a tobacco company. Pretty extreme comparison if you ask me.

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I'd say it's been a two-way street. Can you name a fanbase that has been a bigger prick to a director than the Star Wars fanbase? I can't. Although I do think your argument is way too simplistic on the reasons for his actions.

The Matrix fans on Reloaded & Revolutions. Go check the box office for Matrix Revolutions, the fans bailed on that movie, and I think those two sequels got more ribbing than the PT. And every SW movie has been #1 of the year except AOTC.

And for me being a dick to Lucas? I 100% disagree! My three favorite movies of ALL-TIME are Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. No movie in my collection has been watched on HBO, home video or in the theaters as much as those three movies. Most directors would kill for a fan to have one of their movies that loved and reverred, George Lucas has three of his movies like that to so many fans. I will defend the OT to anyone who jabs at it, including PT fans now.

So I didn't love the PT, who cares? I also didn't love the sequels to Raiders of the Lost Ark, but he didn't seem to take his anger out on that DVD. I also didn't love Back to the Future III, which was pure shit, and Zemeckis put out a great box set.

My disgust for George Lucas is over the way he has handled the O-OT for the past 10 years. If fans get mad cause the prequels didn't live up to their expectations, I tell them to move on, I don't have any hate for Lucas for what he did from 1999-2005, the movies are what they are, take em or leave em.

Lucas doesn't understand that when someone watches a movie(s) for 20 years, and then you start changing them, there is a chance the viewer is not going to like the changes. There are things in the SE that just stick out because they are updated CG in a 30 year movies and it just doesn't work (The new song in Jabba's palace in ROTJ for one).

Then the inclusion of Hayden in ROTJ SE that makes no sense to begin with. It was Sebastian Shaw aged Anakin that saved Luke in ROTJ, so he was the one that was redeemed, so seeing young Anakin is totally contradictory to what the whole movie is about. I ask anyone, who was that conflicted guy in the Vader suit all through the movie in ROTJ? It was Sebastian Shaw aged Anakin.

If Lucas would have just put out a DVD standard release of the O-OT, this thread would have been over weeks ago. Sure you would have a minority of fans always bitching, but that is just life on the internet, cause there are idiots everywhere in the world.

But by Lucas putting this out non-anamorphic, it is just throwing shit at the fans, and wanting it both ways. "See I put out the O-OT on DVD, so stop bothering me anymore, you got what you wanted."

I love those movies more than anything in the world, and it is the only set of movies left since the inception of DVD that isn't getting a standard DVD release. You tell me who is the one that is being petty now?

Eh, I see everybodies side to the argument. Certainly all points are valid to an extent. I just don't understand how many times we can have this conversation. Everything is always said in 50+ page threads everytime Star Wars gets mentioned in this forum. Yet we keep having these same old debates over and over again. Talk about beating a dead wookie.

I mean, the OT vs. the PT is going to always be around. We're all going to dis-agree to an extent about certain things, as arguing about Star Wars is apparantly just as pointless as arguing about religion. Can't we all just agree to disagree and be done with it?

Buy it, or don't. Wow, earth shattering decision there.


By the way, is it confirmed the OT is going to not be anamorphically enhanced?

uh, so you are just crabbing about the length of the thread? yes, it has been confirmed (several pages back).

No, I'm not just crabbing about the length of the thread. Although there are spots here and there in reguards to the actual disappointing release of a non anamorphic release, a lot of this is the usual filler of the OT vs. ST discussion. Length doesn't bother me... lengthy discussion of something that has been beaten to death on this forum 8,000 times before, does.

Has anyone heard if these releases will have the bonus features the previous DVD set had?

*sigh*

The original versions ARE the bonus features...



...for the 1000th time.