1) Fair enough

2) THIS IS AN ASSUMPTION. It's just as plausible that they were never going to look back again and then gave in because EVERYBODY was complaining. Why not put it out if people will buy it?

3) Isn't it possible the MASTER used for the laserdisc is the source and not the laserdisc copy itself?

So I have to sell my current versions, but keep the bonus disc and the box for the new versions in September. Kind of a hassle, but its worth it.

Its an assumption based on direct lucas quotes that it would never be released. I say its a pretty good assumption, and based on your definition of "assumption" everything that people rely on would be assumption.

And yes, its possible its a master, thats why I said "supposedly" and not going to comment on it until we get reviews.

That's a bunch of hooey.

1. We don't know what the eventual street price is going to be. The MSRP for the SE Boxset w/bonus disc is $69.98... but can be purchased for $49.96. Ep.III lists for $29.98 but is selling for $17.98. If that price reductions holds true (and maybe even $15 each), the street price for all 3 OT films will be $45-$50. What "high price" are you complaining about?

2. Technically, the original theatrical trilogy is NOT being released. They are "extras" on a re-re-release of the SE set. But if you need a reason to continue to blast Lucas, you can use this one.

3. You're using an unsubtantiated rumor as an issue? Wow, talk about grasping at reasons to complain.

Yes. that idiotic hyper-technicality is the kind of bullshit Lucasfilm is pushing.

yes, let's not let facts stand it the way of a rant.

What about the issue of "high prices"?

How do you know? An official price has not been released. You'll more than likely be able to buy these in stores for around $20. Bitching about this is bitching for bitching's sake.

This is the easiest and lamest criticism of all. People wwere going to throw out this lame criticism regardless. The only way Lucas could have satisfied those pleading for the originals is to go back on his word by releasing them. OOPS! Gotcha Lucas, you lied!

This is merely speculating considering we haven't seen the transfer. The official release mentioned nothing about an LD transfer. All they said was 1993 technology, which could mean a transfer from the restored '93 negatives.

Just admit chanster, that people are goint to slam Lucas coming and going. He can't win. Or you can just admit that it wasn't merely the originals people wanted on DVD. They wanted the originals done exactly as they wanted.

The same can be said of your criticisms. You just want to complain, period. It didn't matter whether Lucas released the originals or not.

The facts are that 99% of people will be buying these editions because the are OT, not for a re-release of the 2004 editions. So calling them "bonus features" is just an idiotic way for Lucas to try to salvage years of saying "I won't release them"

Possibly the fastest growing thread ever--13 pages, and the original posting is only 26 hours old--and the potential for being the longest thread ever.

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So what's the problem? You've got your OT. That's what you always wanted. Who cares how the release was worded! Be happy. Well, that's too easy. Gotta be mad about something.

And thats why I said "supposedly" and also said, previosuly that regarding the AV quality, and I would reserve judgment on the material until I see reviews. Why not read before you bash?

Come now, don't twist what I'm saying. Nobody is criticizing the choice from an A/B level; the point is, there were levels to the choice.

His initial choice was release nothing (least preferable), release the Special Editions, release the theatrical versions, or release both (probably most preferable overall). For years, his choice was "nothing", saying he would only release them after finishing the new trilogy, so he could put his attention towards it. People complained about this choice - almost anybody who wanted Star Wars on DVD, other than a few people holding out that Lucas needed to focus on the new ones.

His next choice was continue to release nothing, release the Special Editions, release the theatrical versions, or release both. He chose to release the Special Editions solo, and stated that this would be the only release of Star Wars on DVD and the old versions never would and didn't exist anymore. Many people took him at his word and bought the only version of the movie they ever thought would be available. People complained, though; some people who didn't buy these new discs because they didn't want the Special Edition, and other people who did buy this disc but also wanted the theatrical version, or only bought it because they were convinced the theatrical version would never be released. While this choice was better than continuing to not release them, it was a worse choice than giving people what they're asking for.

Now, he has come to another choice. He could leave these as is forever as he said he would (least preferable) or he could release the theatrical versions solo (most preferable). Instead, he's chosen a third option in between the two, releasing the two together. The people who are complaining about this are people who bought the SEs based on his assurances that the theatricals would never be released who feel that money was wasted, or people who never bought the SEs because they don't care to own them and, thus, resent the fact that these discs will be more expensive because they're two-discs. (I'd say the former more than the latter.)

So, yes, I'd say, given that he's releasing them at all, he made the shittier of two choices related to releasing them. And if he doesn't fix the problems from the last transfer, there will be people complaining about that too, because that's a worse choice. Within the choice of releasing the theatrical versions, there are a hundred other choices he will have to make which people will complain about and, given his track record, I tend to assume he'll make the worse choices within all of them, so I tend to think there will be a lot of complaining.

This is the first 'Star Wars' thread I've ever paid any real attention to (sometimes I'd hop into one quickly to see if there was any progress on the theatrical releases I considered inevitable), because these are the only 'Star Wars' movies I ever wanted to buy.

If you really think that greed is good, then calling Lucas greedy is not a criticism.

I think that Lucas knows that most Star Wars fans already have the 2004 editions and the only reason they will be buying the new discs is for the original cuts, so i am sure that he will make them look and sound as good as he can.

Oh, so just getting the originals in any form is not a good choice? People have to have the originals exactly as they want them. I don't remember hearing that before. Do you remember the absolutely uproar and upheaval throughout the internet when Lucas announced he wouldn't release them? You would have tought WWIII broke out. Go back and check out some of the old threads, and you'll see how ridiculous it got.

Lucas released the originals. That should be all that matters at this point. Everything else is a bit premature until we see a retail price and the DVDs.

I'm not bashing. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy from what I heard then and what I'm hearing now.

I think this thread needs a theme song.

I wanna piss and moan all night
And complain every day!


Anyway, the news of this release made me finally register to post after YEARS of lurking. I have been stressing over finals this week, and this was a pleasant surprise! I will definitely be purchasing this on release day, even though I have purchased this series in all of its other incarnations, excluding the prequels. The day I can't afford to purchase 3 DVD's (when I have 5 months to save up for them) is the day I need to find a new hobby.

To true Lt. Ripley, especially considering the insane amounts of money I've already spent, quite a bit of it on double dips.

Welcome to the forum.

People who don't want the SEs at all, or don't want to buy them again, would consider "17.98" to be high for the single-disc they want. It's not high for a two-disc set, but nobody who has it would prefer to buy it again, and nobody who has held out can be assumed to want it.

Technically he said they did not exist. I don't see how you can claim that extras on an officially released set are not being released. The people who have to get rights secured for things which are released as extras would be very glad to hear that they don't need to worry, because extras aren't actually "being released" just because they're included on a DVD.

People prefer to complain at a time when things can be changed. If that is their true plan, and (by some stroke of luck) they actually *are* listening to fans about this (as they claim), then complaining about that now might get it changed. Waiting until it's done and released would be pointless, because they would just claim it was a deliberate artistic choice.

I haven't seen the previous release, but I've read things which say that it had a lot of errors; if that's true, and Lucas messed up on the versions that he cares about, isn't that a good reason for people to be worried that he may mess up the release they do care about that he doesn't?

Clearly this is a case of greed... not keeping the fans happy. Did anyone else notice that there is no new Star Wars product coming out this year? What else are they going to sell in the 4th qtr. to bolster profits?

Honestly, I am still on the fence about whether or not I'll buy these. I don't really have much grief with the DVD SE's and I was 2 when Jedi came out in the theaters. I don't have much attachment to these "originals".

Thanks for the welcome Terrell.


Did I mention that I can't wait for these to be released! I think I will feel like I am 3 years old again, back in 77, watching it for the first time!

If some people consider the price too high, then they won't be buying them or will wait for the inevitable price-drop.

As I'm trying to explain to you (imagine me talking very, very slowly at this point), nobody is complaining about that choice. They are complaining about every other choice about the release which has so far been announced or hinted at.

I thought you were agreeing with the technicality that it's "not being released". I notice that you're not so much arguing, conceiving a consistent point and defending it, as responding, trying to just deflate any argument you deem to be unfair to Lucas in any way you can.

New Video game comes out around the same time, Transformers/Star Wars crossovers, Potato Head characters, M&M characters... New toys and collectibles are still coming out.

Then there is the TV stuff on the horizon.

These are a *limited* release so they won't be likely ever getting a price drop.

We all now can say together,"the saga is complete".Everyone together "The Saga is Complete."

I read somewhere here that there were was a glitch with the Star Wars SE released in 04.Was it the sounding? I didnt notice any glitch in my copies and if there is a glitch, which movie was it?

His marketing team took care of the latter with an extremely limited window of release, though. I don't disagree with your point, but "high prices" seems like a reasonable complaint; if you think the price is high enough that you won't buy it, you don't think that's something to complain about?