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Old 04-17-06 | 05:09 PM
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I forgot there were that many Halloween movies.
Old 04-17-06 | 05:46 PM
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Ill probably pick this up just because its John Carpenter related. For me, Halloween stopped after #2. That is when I saw Michael dying in the fire and not living past that.
Old 04-17-06 | 06:46 PM
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Will we ever see the Producer's Cut of Halloween 6? It is suppose to be MUCH better than the theatrical release.
I have it on a VHS tape I won off ebay and it is better than the theatrical version, but it's still kinda weird. Although now I think the studio treats 4, 5, & 6 as non-canonical since H20 & Resurrection make no reference as to what happened in the previous three. (Although I may be wrong as I haven't watched them in a while)
Old 04-17-06 | 06:55 PM
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The producer's cut of Halloween 6 is slightly better than what we got, but it still sucks. Even without all the glowing green alien crap that the theatrical version served up, it still doesn't make much sense.

And yes, I believe the official timeline is Halloween, Halloween 2, Halloween H20... 4-6 are just blown off.
Old 04-17-06 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
In a nutshell:

- Moustapha Akkad owns the rights to Halloween.
- Moustapha Akkad sells the rights to Dino De Laurentiis. Halloween II and Halloween III are produced at Universal. Akkad stays onto the films as an executive producer.
- Dino De Laurentiis sells the rights back to Moustapha Akkad after Halloween III's poor performance.
- Moustapha Akkad, similar to the first film, produces Halloween 4 and Halloween 5 on very limited budgets. As history unfolds, both films do good business.
- In 1995, Moustapha Akkad sells the rights again to the Halloween franchise over to the Weinsteins. Moustapha Akkad still remains on board as executive producer as three more sequels are released. All make profit.
- When the Weinsteins leave Miramax, they take the rights of the franchise with them. The three films they released at Miramax/Dimension stay there.

If there is an ninth film to be produced, Akkad's share of the money will just go to his remaining family members. The Weinstein Company will produce.

thanks for clearing that up.
Old 04-17-06 | 07:35 PM
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Though I've never seen it, the thing I hate about the producer's cut of Halloween 6 is the fact that Michael Myers is revealed to be the father of Jamie's baby. That's completely out of character for Myers and it's so damn dumb it's stupifying. If they had gone with that, it would have ruined the character for me.

As far as the continuity of the series goes, I acknowledge all of the Myers films. I've always considered Donald Pleasence to be the star of these films, above everyone else. I'm not going to discard the majority of his work in this series just because "they" want to abort the storylines of parts 4-6.
Old 04-18-06 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by big e
Although now I think the studio treats 4, 5, & 6 as non-canonical since H20 & Resurrection make no reference as to what happened in the previous three. (Although I may be wrong as I haven't watched them in a while)
Though you're right that H20 and RESURRECTION don't reference 4, 5 or 6, I don't see how that immediately renders the latter null and void; in fact, without 4, there's no context for how Michael just magically reappears after 20 years in H20 after
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burning to "death" in Part 2
. Really, the only thing that is necessary to directly tie all the films together would have been a reference from Laurie Strode to a daughter (Jamie Strode/Lloyd) that she gave up for adoption back before she got her head (semi-) straight and had a second child, her son, John Tate, but just because one was never made doesn't mean we, the viewers, can't easily make that connection for ourselves.
Old 04-22-06 | 10:28 AM
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They're horror movies. If you really need to examine closely how characters return, you're kind of missing the point of horror movies. They're movie cheese that's a good kind of cheese, to entertain.
Old 04-22-06 | 01:38 PM
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I would agree with you if we were talking about a series like nightmare on elm street, friday the 13th, or sleepaway camp because there all campy and cheesy but very fun movies. On the other hand a series like Halloween and Hellraiser were always very serious and i think deserve analyzation.
Old 04-22-06 | 02:49 PM
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Might as well start analzying Evil Dead then while you're at it.
Old 04-22-06 | 03:11 PM
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Ill probably pick this up just because its John Carpenter related. For me, Halloween stopped after #2. That is when I saw Michael dying in the fire and not living past that.
I agree. For some reason, I've never been able to buy into the Halloween movies, with Michael coming back over and over. Which is odd, because I love Freddy and Jason movies, and they do exactly the same thing. But something about the Halloween movies has always bothered me, and I hate them all past part 3. It would have been great if part 3 had been successful and they really had ended up with a type of Halloween anthology series...of course, the story was admittedly awful, but for some reason I like it anyway.

I'll probably pick up this documentary just out of curiosity.
Old 04-22-06 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rammsteinfan
Ill probably pick this up just because its John Carpenter related. For me, Halloween stopped after #2. That is when I saw Michael dying in the fire and not living past that.
Though I do enjoy later films in the series, I understand your point. Even if one were to suspend their disbelief after watching Dr. Loomis empty his gun into Michael's body, all logic dictates that Michael did, in fact, die at the end of Halloween II, along with Dr. Loomis. Laurie shot out his eyes, and Loomis incinerated him. End of story. Unless Michael can magically regenerate his eyes, not to mention his body, he ain't comin' back.

Freddy I can see returning time and again. He exists in a dream realm, so it's plausible. But giving the superhuman touch to characters like Michael and Jason is, frankly, ridiculous. There's nothing "special" about them. They're not cybernetic organisms, they've not divided their souls into horcruxes, they're just human. I know: I'm applying reason to something that is built for nothing more than 90 minutes of mindless gore. Just saying.

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Old 04-22-06 | 11:44 PM
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Freddy I can see returning time and again. He exists in a dream realm, so it's plausible. But giving the superhuman touch to characters like Michael and Jason is, frankly, ridiculous. There's nothing "special" about them. They're not cybernetic organisms, they've not divided their souls into horcruxes, they're just human. I know: I'm applying reason to something that is built for nothing more than 90 minutes of mindless gore. Just saying.

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I wouldn't actually say that Jason's "human".
Old 04-23-06 | 03:10 AM
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Will we ever see the Producer's Cut of Halloween 6? It is suppose to be MUCH better than the theatrical release.
No, it sucks also. The movie that was made was terrible, but they cut it up into something much worse. So basically both versions suck, just in different ways. I guess if you're a completist you should try to see it though. I didn't care for it, but it at least made more sense than the theatrical version.
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That's my feeling about the Producer's Cut too. The story doesn't skip around as much and is easier to follow, but it's just as stupid. Especially the finale, which frankly I preferred in the hacked-up theatrical cut better. Maybe they should do an extended cut with all the excised scenes put back in for continuity and some kind of new ending that makes more sense than Donald Pleasance just starring at the scar on his arm and screaming. Halloween 6 is just a mess any way you cut it.
Old 04-23-06 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CertifiedTHX
Unless Michael can magically regenerate his eyes, not to mention his body, he ain't comin' back.
But since that's exactly what he does (because "evil never dies"), what's the problem?
Old 04-23-06 | 10:39 AM
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These are definitely on my to buy list.
Old 05-27-06 | 02:38 AM
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According to DavisDVD, the 25 Years of Terror documentary will be a 2-disc set. Gets better all the time.

And the special editions of Halloween 4 and 5 will feature the same bonus content (Halloween 4: Final Cut and On the Set of Halloween 5) as the previous releases, along with commentaries--which, if I'm not mistaken, are brand new. Glad to be getting the old featurettes and trailers; never got those releases.

Combine these with all the interviews and behind-the-scenes extras on 25 Years of Terror, and we should have an excellent overall package. Very cool.

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Old 05-27-06 | 09:58 AM
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Really looking forward to this, especially the sequels, because I probably already know about everything there is to know about the original, from the long documentary on the 25th ann. DVD.
Old 05-28-06 | 01:49 PM
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I agree. For some reason, I've never been able to buy into the Halloween movies, with Michael coming back over and over. Which is odd, because I love Freddy and Jason movies, and they do exactly the same thing. But something about the Halloween movies has always bothered me, and I hate them all past part 3.
Funny, I am the exact opposite on this. I also love the Friday 13th movies, but can't stand Freddy past the 1st Nightmare, which I like a lot. In the sequels, he talks/jokes too much, whereas Myers will just go after someone without taunting them first. Always just found him much creepier.
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Funny, I am the exact opposite on this. I also love the Friday 13th movies, but can't stand Freddy past the 1st Nightmare, which I like a lot. In the sequels, he talks/jokes too much, whereas Myers will just go after someone without taunting them first. Always just found him much creepier.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. It annoyed me to no end, even as a kid, how they turned Freddy into "the cheesy one liner guy", trying to make him funny instead of menacing. I guess that sort of thing appealed more to the average teenager, but give me the Halloween series any day over Elm Street, or even Friday the 13th.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this. It annoyed me to no end, even as a kid, how they turned Freddy into "the cheesy one liner guy", trying to make him funny instead of menacing. I guess that sort of thing appealed more to the average teenager, but give me the Halloween series any day over Elm Street, or even Friday the 13th.
I kinda liked Freddy because of his chessy one-liners, and definately my order would go "Nightmare on Elm Street," "Halloween," "Friday the 13th"...
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IGN brings us news on the 25 Years of Terror 2-disc DVD:

Bonus Content
  • Extended celebrity interviews
  • Halloween II extended interviews
  • Halloween III extended interviews
  • Halloween 5 on-set footage
  • Halloween convention montage
  • Halloween convention behind-the-scenes gallery
  • "Fans of Halloween" featurette
  • "Horror's Hallowed Grounds" featurette
  • Halloween convention panel discussion footage
  • Halloween location still gallery
  • Original artwork gallery
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Full article here.

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Old 06-01-06 | 11:30 AM
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According to the official site, http://www.halloweenmovies.com , the Halloween 4 DiviMax DVD will have *two* commentary tracks. One with Ellie Cornell and Danielle Harris, the other with Screenwriter Alan McElroy.
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Too bad Moustouppa got killed by Al-Qaeda last year. Just shows how random and idiotic the violence is, especially when Moustouppa probably produced the most mainstream movie about Islam ever... (The Message)

Regarding the many deaths of Michael Myers, I think his lack of a feeling of indestructibility goes back to how he was stopped in the first one. He got shot a few times, and it doesn't seem impossible that he survived it...and there wasn't a Carrie-moment in the film that all horrors flicks now follow.

So following that reasoning, it sure seemed like he bit the dust in II, getting poked and burned pretty bad.

As far as the other characters, the first Nightmare had a strange ending coupled with a Carrie-moment, so it sure did seem like Freddy is indestructible. I don't remember Friday 13 pt.2, so I can't tell you if Jason showed up at the very end, although it seems logical he did.


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