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Old 07-13-05 | 11:21 AM
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For the other question:
The old news article mentioned above. The studios have been trying to get this extreme copy protection into broadcast technology and have failed so far. Which is good, it violates a couple different Amendments from what I can tell. What a joke.
A great reason NOT to chill out. They tried to pass it once and when it failed they got their congressional whores to try and hide it in a larger bill and it still failed because in your words, "the internet community smoked it out and stopped it". Sounds to me like they're going to keep trying.

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Old 07-13-05 | 12:07 PM
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The world knew about it. If you can find the internet, you can find this.
Maybe, but you have to know to look for it first.

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They CHOSE to continue selling products. Should they have stopped selling TVs? What would you have said 4 years ago if there were no HDTVs on the shelf? Gimme a break!
I clearly stated they should not have advertised them as "HD-Ready". I always understood thet when HD-DVD came along I could watch it on my "HD-Ready" television. After all, HD-VHS worked via component. I had no reason to doubt HD-DVD would too. I feel I was deceived and I don't doubt many others feel the same.

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Should all analog TVs be pulled from the shelves, too? "Sorry, gramma. The cheapest TV is now $500. Pony up the cash." Not.
So you think Granny should be kept in the dark? I think she should be made aware of her options.

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Old 07-13-05 | 02:05 PM
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Tell you what. Argue semantics with someone else. Bored, gone...
Old 07-13-05 | 03:13 PM
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the biggest thing that irks me about this is that its all about piracy. pirated movies are usually lower than dvd resolution and downsampled anyways. plus, i don't think there will be much of a market for HD movies in the piracy ring since the file sizes will be so large. i really would love for one of these formats to catch on, but it will not happen for awhile if at all with all of these restrictions being set on normal paying customers.
I don't blame the studios for being concerned about piracy. Yes HD movie files are large but with the rapid advance of broadband and distributed file sharing it is already feasible to copy a large movie file off the internet. And it should get easier and faster in the future.

Without some form of copy protection any person with an HD drive could rip a movie HD-DVD and it would be all over the net. Having seen what happened to the music industry it makes sense that the movie companies are concerned.

That said, I do feel sorry for the early adopters stuck with HD ready displays that have no built in HDCP. No easy way around that problem.
Old 07-13-05 | 03:38 PM
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Without some form of copy protection any person with an HD drive could rip a movie HD-DVD and it would be all over the net.
And this will also happen even WITH copy protection. These things are broken -- always and quickly.
Old 07-13-05 | 04:07 PM
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And this will also happen even WITH copy protection. These things are broken -- always and quickly.
Everyone says that, but I wonder if it will really be that simple for joe average (like me) to do, as would be the case without copy protection.

But once a ripped copy of a movie is out there it is pretty much out of control, so I suppose you are right.
Old 07-14-05 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lizard
Everyone says that, but I wonder if it will really be that simple for joe average (like me) to do, as would be the case without copy protection.

But once a ripped copy of a movie is out there it is pretty much out of control, so I suppose you are right.
And therein lies the problem: They want to stop Joe Average from doing it, but Joe Average doesn't do it, and won't do it if the same multimedia conglomerates that sell the media don't sell the means to copy the media.

Instead of focusing on ALL customers, why not target the people that actually DO pirate?
Old 07-15-05 | 02:32 AM
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Like releasing their films on DVD a heartbeat after the theatrical release instead of 6 months later. Close that window down when professional bootleggers make all their sales. Or perhaps lowering prices a little to make a $10 bootleg look even more unattractive.
Old 07-15-05 | 12:23 PM
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Like releasing their films on DVD a heartbeat after the theatrical release instead of 6 months later. Close that window down when professional bootleggers make all their sales.
The problem with that approach is that the current, relatively rapid, DVD releases are already hitting ticket sales for the theatrical run.
Or perhaps lowering prices a little to make a $10 bootleg look even more unattractive.
And the problem there is that it greatly reduces revenue from DVD sales, which is currently the major revenue source for many movies. That might be great for DVD buyers like us in the short run, but if revenues dry up for movie studios it will have a severe impact on the making of future movies. And that is not so good.

All these ideas seem to suggest the movie studios should try to "compete" with the criminals who pirate movies, whose cost of "production" is essentially zero. Am I the only one who finds this strategy unworkable?

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