HD-DVD Officially HDMI Only?
07-10-05 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Cow
And your comment on LaserDisc, that's just laughable.
07-11-05 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cow
And your comment on LaserDisc, that's just laughable.
07-11-05 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cocopugg
From all indications laserdisc was a format that only the elite bought into.
Not having a player in every household doesn't instantly make something a failure. I really don't care if HD-DVD or Blu-Ray wind up being some sort of runaway success or not. I just want a steady supply of quality movies presented in the best possible way, which is exactly what Laserdisc offered at the time.
To say that Laserdisc was a failure and that greed was to blame is an indication that you really have no idea what you're talking about.
07-11-05 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hondo21
What's the sense of having a "digital" TV with only analog inputs?
I think you're confused. A digital TV is one that can accept and display progressive scan input and high definition signals using the component analog inputs - the only kind of inputs that exist on thousands of HDTVs in homes today, including my 4 year old Pioneer Elite. The picture is tremendous. You don't need digital (DVI or HDMI) inputs for high definition. So this restriction is a big deal to earlier adopters like me who have perfectly good HDTVs but won't be allowed to participate in these new formats without upgrading to a new TV. It's all in the name of copy protection. People like me who have no interest in illegally copying HD content will suffer as a result. Thanks Hollywood.
I think you're confused. A digital TV is one that can accept and display progressive scan input and high definition signals using the component analog inputs - the only kind of inputs that exist on thousands of HDTVs in homes today, including my 4 year old Pioneer Elite. The picture is tremendous. You don't need digital (DVI or HDMI) inputs for high definition. So this restriction is a big deal to earlier adopters like me who have perfectly good HDTVs but won't be allowed to participate in these new formats without upgrading to a new TV. It's all in the name of copy protection. People like me who have no interest in illegally copying HD content will suffer as a result. Thanks Hollywood.
Alienating the people who bought HD sets early willl be a HUGE mistake.
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07-11-05 | 10:19 AM
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To people the industry is screwing over:
The owner of the Home Theatre Forum is calling for a boycott of both HD formats. Check it out here:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...?s=&forumid=20
The owner of the Home Theatre Forum is calling for a boycott of both HD formats. Check it out here:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...?s=&forumid=20
07-11-05 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Easy
To people the industry is screwing over:
The owner of the Home Theatre Forum is calling for a boycott of both HD formats. Check it out here:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...?s=&forumid=20
The owner of the Home Theatre Forum is calling for a boycott of both HD formats. Check it out here:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...?s=&forumid=20
07-11-05 | 11:39 AM
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I'm boycotting, but not out of any sort of 'activist' motives... I simply am not going to spend that kind of money on something that I'm pretty damn certain is doomed to failure.
Come out with one single format and I'll be first in line. I'm itching to get more HD content in my home. But I'm not shelling out big bucks for some sort of glorified marketing test. I'll come back to the table with the manufacturers and content providers show me that they're serious.
Come out with one single format and I'll be first in line. I'm itching to get more HD content in my home. But I'm not shelling out big bucks for some sort of glorified marketing test. I'll come back to the table with the manufacturers and content providers show me that they're serious.
07-11-05 | 11:59 AM
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There's no way Blueray won't support component, especially if the PS3 is coming out with the Blueray. No one will buy the PS3 if it demands only HDMI! So at least, with the PS3 you are guaranteed to be able to play Blueray discs on compionents.
07-11-05 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocopugg
Most owners of HDTV have sets that only came with component inputs. By not offering HD-DVD/Blu-ray players that offer component outputs, the manufacturers are basically saying "FU" to the consumer. Most consumers will therefore not be upgrading to the HD-DVD/Blu-ray format. Translation: Unless these companies get their acts together and forget the greed, then we can expect HD-DVD/Blu-ray to become the "laserdisc" of the 21st century. Long live standard DVD!
07-11-05 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HBKDinobot
The solution to the format war is easy... Just sit back and watch them duke it out and see who is left standing. It's survival of the fitest out there.
07-11-05 | 12:17 PM
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The owner of the Home Theatre Forum is calling for a boycott of both HD formats.
As for this whole HDMI debate/whine fest, get over it. As has been said multiple times throughout the industry, this has nothing to do with screwing the consumer over, it's all about copy protection. Without a more secure copy protection scheme the studios will not support the format.
Right now, delivery via a HDMI is the most secure system.
fitprod
07-11-05 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
There's no way Blueray won't support component, especially if the PS3 is coming out with the Blueray. No one will buy the PS3 if it demands only HDMI! So at least, with the PS3 you are guaranteed to be able to play Blueray discs on compionents.
Oh, and I am in no hurry to support either of them. I have had HD satellite so I know the picture is nice, but it is not so much better than a good DVD transfer running on good equipment that I can not live without it. IMHO it is a much smaller leap in quality/convenience/features than VHS or even LD to an extent to DVD than it will be from DVD to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
I would prefer to have a clear cut standard before I buy anything. I mean HD video is cool, but I still watch a lot of LD and there pictuer is not near what DVD is. Yeah it is noticable, but I live through it.
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07-11-05 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by speedyray
Just because there will be other ways to hook up a PS3 does not mean it will support HD picture. It will Down-rez everything that does not come out of the HDMI port. Duh. A PS3 is no different than any other DVD player being discussed.
Oh, and I am in no hurry to support either of them. I have had HD satellite so I know the picture is nice, but it is not so much better than a good DVD transfer running on good equipment that I can not live without it. IMHO it is a much smaller leap in quality/convenience/features than VHS or even LD to an extent to DVD than it will be from DVD to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
I would prefer to have a clear cut standard before I buy anything. I mean HD video is cool, but I still watch a lot of LD and there pictuer is not near what DVD is. Yeah it is noticable, but I live through it.
Oh, and I am in no hurry to support either of them. I have had HD satellite so I know the picture is nice, but it is not so much better than a good DVD transfer running on good equipment that I can not live without it. IMHO it is a much smaller leap in quality/convenience/features than VHS or even LD to an extent to DVD than it will be from DVD to HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.
I would prefer to have a clear cut standard before I buy anything. I mean HD video is cool, but I still watch a lot of LD and there pictuer is not near what DVD is. Yeah it is noticable, but I live through it.
I see the HDMI/DVI arguement for copy protection stuff, and it personally doesn't bother me as I am HDMI/DVI ready... however, that still screws over too many people. IN order for the format to really take off like DVD, you need to be available to as many people as possible and show them why there is a need to upgrade. Right now, I don't see the joe consumer wanting to spend the cash on it.
My overall general opinion, it will end up just like SACD/DVD-A where eventually we will get multiple format players and it will be nice, but just too late. That is just a bummer in my eyes
07-11-05 | 02:22 PM
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I understand the HDMI thing, but I don't understand why this wasn't agreed upon sooner so that all HDTVs supported digital input. You already have a limited number of HDTVs and now you are going to alienate some of those by not supporting 1080i through component output. With this and the format war its looking more and more like HD-DVD is going to be anything, but a mainstream success.
07-11-05 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by steebo777
I agree with most of what you said. I will not support one format over another, and I can sit and wait for things to be worked out.
I see the HDMI/DVI arguement for copy protection stuff, and it personally doesn't bother me as I am HDMI/DVI ready... however, that still screws over too many people. IN order for the format to really take off like DVD, you need to be available to as many people as possible and show them why there is a need to upgrade. Right now, I don't see the joe consumer wanting to spend the cash on it.
My overall general opinion, it will end up just like SACD/DVD-A where eventually we will get multiple format players and it will be nice, but just too late. That is just a bummer in my eyes
I see the HDMI/DVI arguement for copy protection stuff, and it personally doesn't bother me as I am HDMI/DVI ready... however, that still screws over too many people. IN order for the format to really take off like DVD, you need to be available to as many people as possible and show them why there is a need to upgrade. Right now, I don't see the joe consumer wanting to spend the cash on it.
My overall general opinion, it will end up just like SACD/DVD-A where eventually we will get multiple format players and it will be nice, but just too late. That is just a bummer in my eyes
07-11-05 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fitprod
As for this whole HDMI debate/whine fest, get over it. As has been said multiple times throughout the industry, this has nothing to do with screwing the consumer over, it's all about copy protection. Without a more secure copy protection scheme the studios will not support the format.
Right now, delivery via a HDMI is the most secure system.
fitprod
Right now, delivery via a HDMI is the most secure system.
fitprod
07-11-05 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Commander Dan
And for the Pirates that are, it will take less time for them to crack the copy protection than it did for the industry to agree on a format for it.
07-11-05 | 03:07 PM
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Meh... Whatever. I'm not buying in to either format for a few more years (and only plan on purchasing a small number of films in HD). By that point I'll probably want a new display anyhoo... I've had my HDTV for 3 or 4 years now and I'm another with no HDMI input. Yeah, it's shitty, complete agreement... But by the time the dust settles with this Blu-Ray / HD-DVD nonsense, I'll most likely be ready for a new toy for the theater.
That said, I do empathize with the folks who don't (or can't) plan on replacing their HDTV at any point in the near future. I'd probably be plenty pissed as well.
That said, I do empathize with the folks who don't (or can't) plan on replacing their HDTV at any point in the near future. I'd probably be plenty pissed as well.
07-11-05 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
There's no way Blueray won't support component, especially if the PS3 is coming out with the Blueray. No one will buy the PS3 if it demands only HDMI! So at least, with the PS3 you are guaranteed to be able to play Blueray discs on compionents.
The video game portion of the console will allow HD games by component, because absolutely no one is concerned about copy protecting the video output from some teenager's latest Grand Theft Auto session. But all movie watching will be down-res'd to 480p on component, exactly as has been said many times earlier.
07-11-05 | 07:27 PM
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I just re-read the lead story in the first post, and I noticed the following:
My Mitsubishi does, in fact, have the IEEE1394 Firewire connection.
I still don’t plan to invest until the format war is resolved, but just out of curiosity, would the Toshiba connect to my Mit via the Firewire connection?
...with HD output only being available on the secure digital outputs (HDMI and IEEE1394).
I still don’t plan to invest until the format war is resolved, but just out of curiosity, would the Toshiba connect to my Mit via the Firewire connection?
07-11-05 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
The PS3 specs have already been released, and guess what, the BluRay portion of the player will only output HD video via HDMI, not component.
07-11-05 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by speedyray
I have watched a lot of programming on the HDMI and Component cables and HDMI has never seemed that much better. There IMHO was no difference in my HD satelite using HDMI over component. I prefer my old ass DVD player over my brothers brand new upscaling HDMI using model as well. Because it is HDMI, if the title is non-anamorphic or the features are non-anamorphic you can not change the picture size and everything is stretched. Since I have a good deal of non enhanced titles and like special features that is a big deal to me. These are just my opinions and just used to illustrate how this whole subject is a matter of opinion. Oh, and one other thing, I am not looking foward to buying a new theater receiver. Mine is only a couple of years old, but it does not have HDMI switching so I will need a new one so that I can plug multiple HDMI sources into my sytem. Then what do I do with the $1500 system I am replacing. Needless to say I would much rather have my HD coming from component. If I have to buy a modified box to get it I will.
The problem I have is that my TV only has one DVI/HDMI connection, so I will need some kind of switcher box.
I was going to buy a DVD player with a DVI/HDMI connection (No digital to analog converstion would increase my video quality), but now I am going to wait for a HDDVD player (Red or Blue).
07-12-05 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Grimfarrow
There's no way Blueray won't support component, especially if the PS3 is coming out with the Blueray. No one will buy the PS3 if it demands only HDMI! So at least, with the PS3 you are guaranteed to be able to play Blueray discs on compionents.
07-12-05 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fitprod
They must not have offered him a free player and movies yet...
As for this whole HDMI debate/whine fest, get over it. As has been said multiple times throughout the industry, this has nothing to do with screwing the consumer over, it's all about copy protection. Without a more secure copy protection scheme the studios will not support the format.
Right now, delivery via a HDMI is the most secure system.
fitprod
As for this whole HDMI debate/whine fest, get over it. As has been said multiple times throughout the industry, this has nothing to do with screwing the consumer over, it's all about copy protection. Without a more secure copy protection scheme the studios will not support the format.
Right now, delivery via a HDMI is the most secure system.
fitprod
The point is this: You can go into a store TODAY and be sold/buy a TV that will be incompatible with these players. THAT is inexcusable. I agree with the 50/50 figure on sets with/without HDMI/DVI. Bottom line is both formats NEED early adopters, and the greedy fools making decisions don't seem to understand that these very same customers that made DVD a hit are NOT the demo you alienate.
Besides, we all know, except for the greedy corporate fools in charge TODAY (give em a week and new greedy fools will be in place), that any CP scheme WILL be defeated. Why piss off potential customers that will spend TOP dollar on stuff to worry about the pirates?