Ridley Scott talks: Kingdom of Heaven [Director's cut]
04-11-05, 03:06 PM
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This isn't a strategy. The article clearly states that Scott prefers the theatrical release. It's his director's cut. An extended edition is just so fans can see more footage, and will probably be inferior.
04-11-05, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PotVsKtl
This isn't a strategy. The article clearly states that Scott prefers the theatrical release. It's his director's cut. An extended edition is just so fans can see more footage, and will probably be inferior.
04-11-05, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Geofferson
Hard to say...director's cuts that focus on character development (like this one, apparently) have a good track record of being superior.
04-12-05, 03:15 AM
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I'm sure Scott has final cut on his movies these days so I'm kinda surprised about this. You'd think he would have it character heavy since many of his movies are. I'm kinda on the fence about this movie anyway since the trailer shows it to be way too similar (in a couple of quick shots anyway) to Gladiator, and I was expecting something new and fresh.
04-13-05, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PotVsKtl
This isn't a strategy. The article clearly states that Scott prefers the theatrical release. It's his director's cut. An extended edition is just so fans can see more footage, and will probably be inferior.
04-13-05, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by fmian
I'm sure Scott has final cut on his movies these days so I'm kinda surprised about this. You'd think he would have it character heavy since many of his movies are. I'm kinda on the fence about this movie anyway since the trailer shows it to be way too similar (in a couple of quick shots anyway) to Gladiator, and I was expecting something new and fresh.
04-26-05, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by marty888
OK, it hasn't even opened theatrically, but this past Sunday's NY Times had this bit of information:
" Having spent five months on location, working from a 260-page screenplay (almost twice the usual length), Sir Ridley ended up with a movie of 3 hours 40 minutes. This version will survive on DVD, but for general release he cut the film to 2 hours 22 minutes."
(complete article http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/movies/24ridi.html - you need to be registered with NY Times)
" Having spent five months on location, working from a 260-page screenplay (almost twice the usual length), Sir Ridley ended up with a movie of 3 hours 40 minutes. This version will survive on DVD, but for general release he cut the film to 2 hours 22 minutes."
(complete article http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/movies/24ridi.html - you need to be registered with NY Times)
04-26-05, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by William Fuld
The theatrical verison is the director's cut.
(now when's 1492: Conquest of Paradise coming out - my Japanese laserdisc "International print" version needs an upgrading).
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04-26-05, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Giles
or as I like to call theatrical cuts - the "compromised Producer's/Director's Cut".
04-26-05, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by William Fuld
Even when the director refers to the theatrical cut as "the best version"?
05-06-05, 03:36 PM
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Interesting quote here:
"The theatrical version is the best I could possibly make it given the restraints I was working under." Those restraints included a directive from Fox studios to keep the film under 150 minutes.
I think this at least leaves room for debate as to whether he thinks this cut is superior to the extended, or is simply the best theatrical version. Seems the reviews are saying the film suffers from the missing gaps in characterization and storyline. I'll see for myself tonight.
Anyways..can't wait for the eventual DVD.
"The theatrical version is the best I could possibly make it given the restraints I was working under." Those restraints included a directive from Fox studios to keep the film under 150 minutes.
I think this at least leaves room for debate as to whether he thinks this cut is superior to the extended, or is simply the best theatrical version. Seems the reviews are saying the film suffers from the missing gaps in characterization and storyline. I'll see for myself tonight.
Anyways..can't wait for the eventual DVD.
05-06-05, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Artman
Seems the reviews are saying the film suffers from the missing gaps in characterization and storyline.
05-06-05, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Lowrey
So the fact that Ridley Scott had to cut 78 minutes out of his original script and cut, to get it into theaters, you actually believe him that that's what he meant that the theatrical cut was the "best"?
05-06-05, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by William Fuld
After reading the quote Artman provided and now having seen the film, no.
And this be one of the reasons why I haven't been to the theater since LOTR:TTT. Although I may break my "boycott" to see SW:ROTS.
With Theatrical release to DVD turn-arounds at an seemingly all-time high at 3-6 months later, I usually just wait for the DVD.
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05-06-05, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Giles
bingo! that's was my impression after seeing this film, god I can't wait for the extended cut - I so wanted to like this film, but what I saw this morning was a disappointment
05-07-05, 11:36 AM
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the theatrical cut is most certainly not Scott's preferred cut or a Director's Cut.. it's more like the "It Was The Best I Could Do Given The Circumstances"-cut.
here's from DavisDVD's Rumor Mill:
also, the length of the longer cut seems to be between 185 and 220 minutes depending on what article you're reading.. i've heard 185 minutes long, 195 minutes long and now 220 minutes long.
here's from DavisDVD's Rumor Mill:
Ridley Scott's already looking at a longer cut of his Kingdom of Heaven to debut onto DVD. The theatrical version of his Crusades epic, which tells the story of the fall of Jerusalem in 1186, clocks in at 145 minutes. In a recent interview Scott stated that a more ambitious 220-minute version is in the works. "The theatrical version is the best I could possibly make it given the restraints I was working under." Those restraints included a directive from Fox studios to keep the film under 150 minutes.
When he sat down to edit the film, which opens today, Scott had his own criteria. "I think some operas, plays and even some movies are too long. With Kingdom of Heaven, I did not want anyone looking at their watches during this film. That, more than anything, was my guiding principle in trimming it for this release." Look for the theatrical edition disc set to be released later this year, and a full four-disc extended special edition on tap for 2006. Thanks to Andrea Alfonso for the scoop!
i think what Scott said in that other article was that the theatrical cut is the best he could do given the fact that he had to keep it to under 150 minutes.. so he didn't mean best version overall period, just the best version under 150 minutes. i thought the film was great, but if i had one complaint it would be that it could've needed some fleshing out in parts, supporting characters in particular. i look forward to this extended cut/DVD with great anticipation.When he sat down to edit the film, which opens today, Scott had his own criteria. "I think some operas, plays and even some movies are too long. With Kingdom of Heaven, I did not want anyone looking at their watches during this film. That, more than anything, was my guiding principle in trimming it for this release." Look for the theatrical edition disc set to be released later this year, and a full four-disc extended special edition on tap for 2006. Thanks to Andrea Alfonso for the scoop!
also, the length of the longer cut seems to be between 185 and 220 minutes depending on what article you're reading.. i've heard 185 minutes long, 195 minutes long and now 220 minutes long.
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05-07-05, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
the theatrical cut is most certainly not Scott's preferred cut or a Director's Cut.. it's more like the "It Was The Best I Could Do Given The Circumstances"-cut.
here's from DavisDVD's Rumor Mill:
also, the length of the longer cut seems to be between 185 and 220 minutes depending on what article you're reading.. i've heard 185 minutes long, 195 minutes long and now 220 minutes long.
here's from DavisDVD's Rumor Mill:
Ridley Scott's already looking at a longer cut of his Kingdom of Heaven to debut onto DVD. The theatrical version of his Crusades epic, which tells the story of the fall of Jerusalem in 1186, clocks in at 145 minutes. In a recent interview Scott stated that a more ambitious 220-minute version is in the works. "The theatrical version is the best I could possibly make it given the restraints I was working under." Those restraints included a directive from Fox studios to keep the film under 150 minutes.
When he sat down to edit the film, which opens today, Scott had his own criteria. "I think some operas, plays and even some movies are too long. With Kingdom of Heaven, I did not want anyone looking at their watches during this film. That, more than anything, was my guiding principle in trimming it for this release." Look for the theatrical edition disc set to be released later this year, and a full four-disc extended special edition on tap for 2006. Thanks to Andrea Alfonso for the scoop!
i think what Scott said in that other article was that the theatrical cut is the best he could do given the fact that he had to keep it to under 150 minutes.. so he didn't mean best version overall period, just the best version under 150 minutes. i thought the film was great, but if i had one complaint it would be that it could've needed some fleshing out in parts, supporting characters in particular. i look forward to this extended cut/DVD with great anticipation.When he sat down to edit the film, which opens today, Scott had his own criteria. "I think some operas, plays and even some movies are too long. With Kingdom of Heaven, I did not want anyone looking at their watches during this film. That, more than anything, was my guiding principle in trimming it for this release." Look for the theatrical edition disc set to be released later this year, and a full four-disc extended special edition on tap for 2006. Thanks to Andrea Alfonso for the scoop!
also, the length of the longer cut seems to be between 185 and 220 minutes depending on what article you're reading.. i've heard 185 minutes long, 195 minutes long and now 220 minutes long.
05-08-05, 07:44 AM
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I didn't mind the film although I think another 20 minutes or so could actually have helped it a bit. I'm still not sold on Orlando Bloom as leading actor, however...
05-08-05, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Fincher Fan
I didn't mind the film although I think another 20 minutes or so could actually have helped it a bit. I'm still not sold on Orlando Bloom as leading actor, however...
05-08-05, 10:55 AM
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I thought the theatrical showing was OK, but I won't be buying it. I don't think I would watch it often. I will consider an extended director's cut. For Scott to be talking about a different version just as it is being released, I have to believe that that he prefers the longer cut.